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bunkerratt
03-12-2006, 08:25 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/bunkerratt/uk11_small.jpg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

bunkerratt
03-12-2006, 08:25 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/bunkerratt/uk11_small.jpg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Celeon999
03-12-2006, 08:30 AM
I didnt know that quote http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Does not fit to his speeches where he mentions "...thank our almighty god..." very often to get the christians also in line with him. It worked quite well

Sergeant_Uhanov
03-12-2006, 11:54 AM
i'm quite shure his god was the devil, and Hitler knew whom he was serving.

Also it is a known fact what Hitler said when he stood before the Spear of Destiny, i think...

Celeon999
03-12-2006, 12:21 PM
The "suspected" Spear of Destiny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sergeant_Uhanov
03-12-2006, 12:33 PM
well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif, i watched two documentary movies on russian TV where was spoken about this topic and how the allies took the spear right out of the SS grasp in april 1945... Does this spear still exist or not, nevertheless, Hitler hated Jesus Christ and his teaching. He was interacting with the church, not the religion or teaching,..

Celeon999
03-12-2006, 01:06 PM
Yes but that is only one of several spears of destiny that are around. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

For example there was another Spear of Destiny in an museum in Krakau, Poland.

One of the very few that could be identified as an fake.


But i dont believe in this religious magic mumbo jumbo at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sergeant_Uhanov
03-12-2006, 02:03 PM
me too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif but Hitler was gainst religion and god. That's my main statement. His ways were against God and his creation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

blue_76
03-12-2006, 09:35 PM
you'll find the case is the same for communism. it seem both extreme left and right persecuted religion. the left idolizing darwin and the right seeing religion secondary to the 'perfect race'. its interesting though, that many nazi scientists ard archeologists were funded to seek out religous artefacts.. such as the 'arc of the covenant' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

bunkerratt
03-12-2006, 10:08 PM
i found this while looking for some more ww2 posters to add to my sig .i just thought it was rather interesting ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

casey68
03-13-2006, 03:24 AM
There where several spears of destiny, during the medieval period supposed religeous relics were big business to the church, the vatican had a work shop throwing out supposed pieces of the true cross in their thousands. At any one time ther where at least 8 mumified heads of of a particular saint on show in various churches in medieval europe. One of the spears was recently analysed, its late to post roman but a nail was built into it, presumably from the crusefixion. any one remember those naughty germans in raiders of the lost ark.

Celeon999
03-13-2006, 03:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">me too but Hitler was gainst religion and god. That's my main statement. His ways were against God and his creation </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


No,no,no thats very common misunderstanding. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hitlers was not against religion. He was only against Christianity and Judaism which he blamed for the biggest suffering in mankinds history and called it misleading the people and sickening the entire world.

He himself believed in fate, destiny and something he called "the foreseeing" an destiny like higher force that protects and lead him.


His last words before his suicide confirm that : "Tommorow, millions of people will curse me, but destiny did not want it another way"


One of the big differences between communism and national-socialism is the question of religion.

The nazi ideology supports religion while communism opposes it. (Which is quite understandable by the way)


Heinrich Himmler for example had detailed plans for the restructuring of religion in europe.


He planned to replace christianity in germany with an mixture of the old scandinavian religions (with new national socialistic ideological elements) that existed before christianity destroyed them with force in bloody crusades.

(He argued that mass murder is an invention that was perfectionized by christianity)

National-socialism as an religion if you want to call it that.

Quote from Adolf Hitler : "Who thinks that national-socialism is just an political movement has understood nothing." "Its something far beyond that will change the world"

For him this was the basis of creating an unbreakable ideoligical basis that would strenghten the national-socialism in an unbelievable gigantic way and bring it into an unerasable position within the world.

Inventing a complete new world religion so to say.

Such an ideology would have greater might than everything else in the world.



Try to imagine something like radical islam but the other way around.


Not an system in which religion uses politics as an carrier.

An political system that uses religion as an carrier.

Sergeant_Uhanov
03-13-2006, 08:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:


No,no,no thats very common misunderstanding. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is no misunderstanding, Celeon. I will explain...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

Hitlers was not against religion. He was only against Christianity and Judaism which he blamed for the biggest suffering in mankinds history and called it misleading the people and sickening the entire world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you know that christianity and judaism are religions that formed the european civilisation and it's culture, which spread almost all ower the world. One can say that if there were no Moses, the prophets and the Christ our civilisation, we would be entirely different. You and me, as well as everyone on this forum are strongly infuenced by the ideas and culture of these two religions, even if we deny religion or God. We know that Hitler wanted to make an entirely new nation, something never seen before. And it's basis should be new. And not of god, but of a man.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He himself believed in fate, destiny and something he called "the foreseeing" an destiny like higher force that protects and lead him. His last words before his suicide confirm that : "Tommorow, millions of people will curse me, but destiny did not want it another way" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We also know that he had some sort of contact and personal relationship with the forces beyound material world. He called them "The Highest Unknown [beings]". Judjing by his deeds and ideas, it is quite clear that there forces were dark and their will was the will of anti-christ. Right?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

One of the big differences between communism and national-socialism is the question of religion.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


In the outer appearances this may be so, but in my own opinion, Celeon, if any man and/or organisation want to achieve total power over people of their nation and humankind, they (this dictatorship force) must attain total domination over people's minds and souls. To do this they inevitably and deliberately must make beople forget about God or begin to hate him/become indifferent to Him and His Kingdom. If this doesn't happen, God will be between them and the people, because men will know, that there is a higher authority, and there is something more important for them, than the country or anything, that is on this planet. Do you see my point here?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

Heinrich Himmler for example had detailed plans for the restructuring of religion in europe.
He planned to replace christianity in germany with an mixture of the old scandinavian religions (with new national socialistic ideological elements) that existed before christianity destroyed them with force in bloody crusades.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

old scandinavian mumbo jumbo? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif who needs this **** anyway? Jesus Christ came to Earth and gave a divine teaching that is even now not fully understood by humankind (because it was deluberately corrupted by all christian churches). Also, i hope it is clear WHO is behind all these old and agressive, bloody pagan religions? who needs war of all kinds, human deaths and sort of that? It's is clearly not the Father Jesus told (spoke to us) us about.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
(He argued that mass murder is an invention that was perfectionized by christianity)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

really? wow, he is really original here. Romans or the Egyptians B.C. were babies, right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
The christianity that invented the Inquisition and the Crusades has absolutely no relation to God, Jesus Christ and the teaching he gave his apostles (disciples)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
National-socialism as an religion if you want to call it that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes it is. but whom it worships and whom it serves is the question.

is it of God or is it not? these are the question that we need to ponder.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Quote from Adolf Hitler : "Who thinks that national-socialism is just an political movement has understood nothing." "Its something far beyond that will change the world" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

agreed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif i wouldn't like to live in a world created by nazi-soc., even if I was pure nordmen (i'm russian)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

For him this was the basis of creating an unbreakable ideoligical basis that would strenghten the national-socialism in an unbelievable gigantic way and bring it into an unerasable position within the world.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only and only God has this right - to have an "unerasable position within the world" (to be exact - within the hearts of people around the world), and so His Kingdom could be manifested in the physical universe.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Inventing a complete new world religion so to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The modern world indeed needs a new religion. But is the nazi socialist-magic religion exactly what it needs? Don't think so.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Such an ideology would have greater might than everything else in the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, indeed. The prince of this world is greedy...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Not an system in which religion uses politics as an carrier.

An political system that uses religion as an carrier. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can God be used in politics? Can spiritual development be used in politics?

Celeon999
03-13-2006, 08:36 AM
Of course god can be used in politics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ask Achmedinedjad or Bush. They both dont get tired of mentioning him in their speeches. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


But i have to admit that im atheist and dont know much about that because i dont believe in god , jesus christ and all that stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sergeant_Uhanov
03-13-2006, 12:22 PM
Ok, i see http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hoatee
03-13-2006, 02:09 PM
It's strange that the poster is in English and not in German.

Celeon999
03-14-2006, 01:55 AM
Propably a propaganda poster in britain or the usa to heat the people up and buy more war bonds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hoatee
03-14-2006, 04:33 AM
Background is suspect, too. Why make a statement like that with ruined buildings as a backdrop?

blue_76
03-14-2006, 09:36 PM
here's one of my favorites http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://zapatopi.net/blog/propaganda-protection-against-spray-attack.jpg

SquidND
03-15-2006, 03:02 AM
Wow! Its 5 a.m. here in the USA and I am just about to leave for work with the newly acquired knowledge of Adolf Hitler and Nazi socialism.....why do I feel dumber?

Hoatee
03-15-2006, 10:40 AM
'Coz you previously felt dumb?

SquidND
03-15-2006, 02:36 PM
You might be on to something there Hoatee.

HeibgesU999
03-15-2006, 02:46 PM
Stalin did the same thing, using the Russian Orthodox Church and talk of "Mother Russia", when is suited his purposes, and on the other hand persecuting the Church and Russian nationals when it didn't.