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Baronbutcher
09-19-2005, 12:58 AM
Dear Oleg and developers!
Can we have more types of Planes that served in the Pacific Theatre. PLEASE!I am willing to buy an add on pack for sure! Many important types are missing! JAPANESEKi-45 Toryu 'Nick', Ki 44 'Tojo', Ki 67 Hiryu 'Peggy', Ki 48 2B 'Lily', Ki21 'Sally', G3M Nell, P1Y1 Frances 'Ginga', J1N1 'Gekko', D4Y1/2 'Judy', Ki 27 'Nate' Ki 49 Donryu 'Helen', H6K Mavis Flying Boat, USASB2C Helldiver, TBD Devastator, P-61 Black Widow, B-24 D Liberator, Ventura, RAAF Beaufort, Boomerang, these are the main types. How about making a NIK1/2 Shiden 'George' flyable? Also it would be great to have flyable: Ki45 Toryu 'Nick', J1N1 Gekko and D4Y1/2 Judy Divebomber or later Japanese Bomber Ki 67 or P1Y1 Ginga? US- Helldiver, P -61 Black Widow. Also more combat zones - The Solomans, Saipan, Phillipines, Truk, etc, Any chance soon or later? Thanks!

Baronbutcher
09-19-2005, 12:58 AM
Dear Oleg and developers!
Can we have more types of Planes that served in the Pacific Theatre. PLEASE!I am willing to buy an add on pack for sure! Many important types are missing! JAPANESEKi-45 Toryu 'Nick', Ki 44 'Tojo', Ki 67 Hiryu 'Peggy', Ki 48 2B 'Lily', Ki21 'Sally', G3M Nell, P1Y1 Frances 'Ginga', J1N1 'Gekko', D4Y1/2 'Judy', Ki 27 'Nate' Ki 49 Donryu 'Helen', H6K Mavis Flying Boat, USASB2C Helldiver, TBD Devastator, P-61 Black Widow, B-24 D Liberator, Ventura, RAAF Beaufort, Boomerang, these are the main types. How about making a NIK1/2 Shiden 'George' flyable? Also it would be great to have flyable: Ki45 Toryu 'Nick', J1N1 Gekko and D4Y1/2 Judy Divebomber or later Japanese Bomber Ki 67 or P1Y1 Ginga? US- Helldiver, P -61 Black Widow. Also more combat zones - The Solomans, Saipan, Phillipines, Truk, etc, Any chance soon or later? Thanks!

jds1978
09-19-2005, 05:59 AM
howdy...

FYI more planes are coming (post 4.02 patch)

D-XXI_Finn3_Early
D-XXI_Finn3_Late
Do-335
J2M3
Ju-88A4_Bombard
Ju-88A4_Gunner_1
Ju-88A4_Gunner_2
Ju-88A4_Gunner_3
Ju-88A4_Pilot
MC-200
MC-202
MC-205
Mosquito_FB_MkVI
A-20C
A-20C_bombadier
A-20C_lower_gun
A-20C_upper_gun
CW-21
*IL-10
*IL-10_gunner
*Ki-27
TempestMkV
*Pe-2 series 1
*Pe-2 series 84
*Pe-2 series 110
*Pe-2 series 359
*Pe-3
*Pe-3 bis

the ones marked * are for russian only add-on...

patch 4.02 will include a new P47 and Yak7....

in addition, a Luzon map is being worked on.

Chuck_Older
09-19-2005, 09:17 AM
The ones with the asterisk *may* only be for Russian add-on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Some may not be only in the Russian add-on, some may only be found in the Russian add-on. maybe none will make it to the western release. Oleg isn't being specific

Scharnhorst1943
09-19-2005, 01:40 PM
About new planes list ...
has anyone noticed that

D-XXI_Finn3_Early
D-XXI_Finn3_Late
Do-335
J2M3
Ju-88A4_Bombard
Ju-88A4_Gunner_1
Ju-88A4_Gunner_2
Ju-88A4_Gunner_3
Ju-88A4_Pilot
MC-200
MC-202
MC-205
Mosquito_FB_MkVI
A-20C
A-20C_bombadier
A-20C_lower_gun
A-20C_upper_gun
CW-21
*IL-10
*IL-10_gunner
<span class="ev_code_RED">*Ki-27</span>
TempestMkV
*Pe-2 series 1
*Pe-2 series 84
*Pe-2 series 110
*Pe-2 series 359
*Pe-3
*Pe-3 bis

The Ki-27 is going to the RUSSIANaddon only??????

That makes absolutely no sence to make a plane for PF (of whome practically only western market players) and release only in Russian addon??

Maybe this is a typo, or someone could clarify please.

J_Weaver
09-19-2005, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jds1978:
patch 4.02 will include a new P47 and Yak7....

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A new P47? I thought we weren't going to see anymore US aircraft!?

jds1978
09-19-2005, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The ones with the asterisk *may* only be for Russian add-on Some may not be only in the Russian add-on, some may only be found in the Russian add-on. maybe none will make it to the western release. Oleg isn't being specific </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah... i probably should've stipulated that none of this is set in stone.....


"A new P47? I thought we weren't going to see anymore US aircraft!?"

well technically it's not a new plane...more like a juiced up P47 thanks to high-octane fuel.
the message from OM states that it should perform like a P47M. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jds1978
09-19-2005, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted Mon September 19 2005 12:40
About new planes list ...
has anyone noticed that

D-XXI_Finn3_Early
D-XXI_Finn3_Late
Do-335
J2M3
Ju-88A4_Bombard
Ju-88A4_Gunner_1
Ju-88A4_Gunner_2
Ju-88A4_Gunner_3
Ju-88A4_Pilot
MC-200
MC-202
MC-205
Mosquito_FB_MkVI
A-20C
A-20C_bombadier
A-20C_lower_gun
A-20C_upper_gun
CW-21
*IL-10
*IL-10_gunner
*Ki-27
TempestMkV
*Pe-2 series 1
*Pe-2 series 84
*Pe-2 series 110
*Pe-2 series 359
*Pe-3
*Pe-3 bis

The Ki-27 is going to the RUSSIANaddon only??????

That makes absolutely no sence to make a plane for PF (of whome practically only western market players) and release only in Russian addon??

Maybe this is a typo, or someone could clarify please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


the USSR and Imperial Japan fought a nasty little border war between August and October of 1939 along the Soviet/ Manchucko region. While not widely known in western circles, the tactics employed by the Red Army marked the first use of combined warfare doctrine (ie: tanks and airpower used together} on a mass scale. Zhukov annihilated the IJA and forced Japanese military planners to nix any thoughts of expanding northward into Soviet Siberia. They then set their sights on French Indo-China and the NEI as opposed to fighting Stalin. This put Japan on a collision course w/ the US and the western alliance.

In addition, the performance of the KI27 against the I16 proved inadequate forcing the Japanese to develope the Zeke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nimits
09-19-2005, 08:19 PM
Actually, no, since the Ki-27 was a JAAF aircraft, and the Zeke was developed for the IJN to replace the similarly outmoded A5M4.

LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2005, 09:58 PM
I have made slip~ups like that recently. I know the feeling well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Ki-43 replaced Ki-27, and I guess Ki-44 did too - in the interceptor role.

MiamiEagle
09-19-2005, 10:59 PM
This information I found recently. It confirms what I always suspected. The reason the Japanese strike south was becuase they needed Oil not because they feared the Soviet. They did developed a healthy respect for the Soviet Forces. But the Soviets also gain a tremendous admiration for the Japanese soldier that lasted throughout the war.

Here is the report.

Prelude
The incident began on 11 May 1939, when a Mongolian cavalry unit of some 70-90 men entered the disputed area in search of grazing for their horses, and encountered Manchukuoan cavalry who drove them out of the disputed territory. Two days later the Mongolian force returned and the Manchukoans were unable to evict them.

At this point the Japanese Guandong Army became involved -- a reconnaissance unit under Lt. Col. Yaozo Azuma was sent to engage the Mongolians on 14 May, but they retreated west of the river with few losses. Joseph Stalin ordered STAVKA, the Red Army's high command, to develop a plan for a counterstrike against the Japanese. To lead the attack, Georgy Zhukov, a young officer of promise, was chosen.

The Mongolians and Soviets continued to build up forces in the area, and Azuma's force returned a week later. This time the Japanese forces were surrounded by superior numbers of Soviet and Mongolian infantry and tanks, and on 28-29 May the Azuma force was destroyed, suffering 8 officers and 97 men killed and one officer and 33 men wounded, with 63% casualties. The Guangdong Army decided that the area was not worth the expenditure of any more Japanese blood.

Throughout June, however, there were continuing reports of Soviet and Mongolian activity on both sides of the river near Nomonhan, and small-scale attacks on isolated Manchukoan units. At the end of the month the local Guandong Army commander, Lt. Gen. Michitaro Komatsubara, was given permission to "expel the invaders". The Japanese operation started on 1 July and was initially successful in crossing the Halha river. However, by the evening of 3 July the attack stalled and the Soviet forces, led by Zhukov, threw the Japanese back over the river. The front then stabilized with only minor actions for the summer.

[edit]
The Battle
Finally, in mid-August, Zhukov decided it was time to break the stalemate. He deployed approximately 50,000 Russian and Mongolian troops of the 57th Special Corps to defend the east bank of the Halhin Gol River, then crossed the river on 20 August to attack the elite Japanese with three infantry divisions (70,000 men in all), massed artillery, a tank brigade, and the best planes of the Red Air Force.

Japanese doctrine at the time was for front-line troops to hold their positions with high rates of fire, and await relief actions from the rear. While very successful against the lightly armed Chinese forces, the Soviet tanks turned the tables on them entirely, and the front lines were cut off. Two complete divisions were surrounded while the other forces were scattered. On 27 August the Japanese attempted to break out of the encirclement, but failed. When the surrounded forces refused to surrender, Zhukov wiped them out with artillery and air attacks. The battle ended 31 August with the complete destruction of the Japanese forces.

[edit]
Aftermath
Following the battle, the Red Army attacked what remained of the Japanese forces and drove them back into Manchukuo. On 16 September the Japanese asked for a cease-fire and nearly two years later signed a treaty in which they agreed to abide by the existing border.

Of the 30,000 troops on the Japanese side, 8440 were killed and 8766 wounded. The Red Army committed 57,000 infantry, 498 tanks, and 346 armoured cars to the battle, and claimed total losses (killed and wounded) of 9284 men. After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, new documents about the battle changed the numbers considerably. The actual number of losses in the battle was 23,926, of whom 6,831 killed, 1,143 reported missing and 15,952 wounded. While the Red Army did win the battle, it was not a one-sided battle as previously believed.

Miamieagle

Nimits
09-20-2005, 06:09 PM
The move against the western Allies the central and south Pacific was more at the Navy's, rather than the Armies bidding. Outside of the British colonie sin Malaya and Burma, the Army was more or less uninterested in the 1942 campaigns (though it, of course, did in the end commit tens of thousands of troops to futile efforts to hold the Solomons and capture Port Moresby). The Imperial Army always had its sights on expanding into Asia; when the Soviets blocked the Mongalian expansion, it gave them even more of a reason to concentrate in China and, later, Burma.

jds1978
09-22-2005, 04:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The move against the western Allies the central and south Pacific was more at the Navy's, rather than the Armies bidding. Outside of the British colonie sin Malaya and Burma, the Army was more or less uninterested in the 1942 campaigns (though it, of course, did in the end commit tens of thousands of troops to futile efforts to hold the Solomons and capture Port Moresby). The Imperial Army always had its sights on expanding into Asia; when the Soviets blocked the Mongalian expansion, it gave them even more of a reason to concentrate in China and, later, Burma. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea, from what i gather the IJA and IJN never got their act together regarding war aims, strategy and production priorities.

"Here is the report.

Prelude
The incident began on 11 May 1939, when a Mongolian cavalry unit of some 70-90 men entered the disputed area in search of grazing for their horses, and encountered Manchukuoan cavalry who drove them out of the disputed territory. Two days later the Mongolian force returned and the Manchukoans were unable to evict them.

At this point the Japanese Guandong Army became involved -- a reconnaissance unit under Lt. Col. Yaozo Azuma was sent to engage the Mongolians on 14 May, but they retreated west of the river with few losses. Joseph Stalin ordered STAVKA, the Red Army's high command, to develop a plan for a counterstrike against the Japanese. To lead the attack, Georgy Zhukov, a young officer of promise, was chosen.

The Mongolians and Soviets continued to build up forces in the area, and Azuma's force returned a week later. This time the Japanese forces were surrounded by superior numbers of Soviet and Mongolian infantry and tanks, and on 28-29 May the Azuma force was destroyed, suffering 8 officers and 97 men killed and one officer and 33 men wounded, with 63% casualties. The Guangdong Army decided that the area was not worth the expenditure of any more Japanese blood.

Throughout June, however, there were continuing reports of Soviet and Mongolian activity on both sides of the river near Nomonhan, and small-scale attacks on isolated Manchukoan units. At the end of the month the local Guandong Army commander, Lt. Gen. Michitaro Komatsubara, was given permission to "expel the invaders". The Japanese operation started on 1 July and was initially successful in crossing the Halha river. However, by the evening of 3 July the attack stalled and the Soviet forces, led by Zhukov, threw the Japanese back over the river. The front then stabilized with only minor actions for the summer.

[edit]
The Battle
Finally, in mid-August, Zhukov decided it was time to break the stalemate. He deployed approximately 50,000 Russian and Mongolian troops of the 57th Special Corps to defend the east bank of the Halhin Gol River, then crossed the river on 20 August to attack the elite Japanese with three infantry divisions (70,000 men in all), massed artillery, a tank brigade, and the best planes of the Red Air Force.

Japanese doctrine at the time was for front-line troops to hold their positions with high rates of fire, and await relief actions from the rear. While very successful against the lightly armed Chinese forces, the Soviet tanks turned the tables on them entirely, and the front lines were cut off. Two complete divisions were surrounded while the other forces were scattered. On 27 August the Japanese attempted to break out of the encirclement, but failed. When the surrounded forces refused to surrender, Zhukov wiped them out with artillery and air attacks. The battle ended 31 August with the complete destruction of the Japanese forces.


Following the battle, the Red Army attacked what remained of the Japanese forces and drove them back into Manchukuo. On 16 September the Japanese asked for a cease-fire and nearly two years later signed a treaty in which they agreed to abide by the existing border.

Of the 30,000 troops on the Japanese side, 8440 were killed and 8766 wounded. The Red Army committed 57,000 infantry, 498 tanks, and 346 armoured cars to the battle, and claimed total losses (killed and wounded) of 9284 men. After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, new documents about the battle changed the numbers considerably. The actual number of losses in the battle was 23,926, of whom 6,831 killed, 1,143 reported missing and 15,952 wounded. While the Red Army did win the battle, it was not a one-sided battle as previously believed.

Miamieagle"

Soviet state secrecy really left us all in the dark for so long...we're just now getting an accurate picture of what happened regarding the USSR and WW2. what source did you get that from? it makes total sense, regarding Zhukov. the man got results but usually at a steep price. in a many ways Zhukov resembles the US Civil War General U.S.S Grant. more or less a talented butcher

Baronbutcher
10-30-2005, 07:33 PM
the USSR and Imperial Japan fought a nasty little border war between August and October of 1939 along the Soviet/ Manchucko region. While not widely known in western circles, the tactics employed by the Red Army marked the first use of combined warfare doctrine (ie: tanks and airpower used together} on a mass scale. Zhukov annihilated the IJA and forced Japanese military planners to nix any thoughts of expanding northward into Soviet Siberia. They then set their sights on French Indo-China and the NEI as opposed to fighting Stalin. This put Japan on a collision course w/ the US and the western alliance.

In addition, the performance of the KI27 against the I16 proved inadequate forcing the Japanese to develope the Zeke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/QUOTE]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gifOnly part true. The ki27 fought mainly I-15/1-153. Japanese shot down more soviet aircraft than vice versa. On land the Japanese was beaten badly but in the air the Japanese were the slight victors. Forcing the Japanese to develop the Zero - yer sure! The ki27 is JAAF, the Zero is JN airforce. The Zero was developed to replace the Claude. Note: the SOviet air force in WW2 had the highest losses of aircraft than any other power. It was there above all there overwhelming numbers (besides some out standing designs and brave crews (like all combatants)) that won the day but in most battles at a high cost. (Same as their tanks.)
Oh, by the way I didn't know it until a friend show me a book that Zhukov had lost a battle. It was the same time as Stalingrad was taken place. This was up North. In Operation Mars. Seems the man was not invincible after all. Also he lost alot of tanks in the drive onto/an d into Berlin in 1945. The other Russian bloke (forgot his name down better.(I Always thought he never did. Except with dreadful bloke STALIN!) That it folks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif