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Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-21-2006, 04:25 PM
Aeroscraft 'flying hotel'. The future of air travel?

http://img.timeinc.net/popsci/images/2006/02/cp0206luxHotel_485.jpg

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/18ac893302839010v...0004eecbccdrcrd.html (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/18ac893302839010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html)

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-21-2006, 04:25 PM
Aeroscraft 'flying hotel'. The future of air travel?

http://img.timeinc.net/popsci/images/2006/02/cp0206luxHotel_485.jpg

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/18ac893302839010v...0004eecbccdrcrd.html (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/18ac893302839010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html)

DaimonSyrius
02-21-2006, 04:30 PM
Call me Ishmael, but this white thing blows! Or is it blown?

Cheers,
S.

Armhunter
02-21-2006, 05:04 PM
Great... So when a plane goes down, instead of 100 people dieing, we will now have 1000 people dieing...

Akronnick
02-21-2006, 05:19 PM
So if I read the article correctly, it will use a combination of helium, vectored thrust, and wings to generate lift. Like an airship, but heavier than air. New concept.

slo_one23
02-21-2006, 05:19 PM
thats just weird

p-11.cAce
02-21-2006, 05:30 PM
Yeah sure - and I'll fly up to it in my Moeller sky car (they are both as likely to ever see the light of day in any practical way) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

slo_one23
02-21-2006, 05:49 PM
great you meet me at mars i'll take you for a ride in my intergalactic cruiser

BoCfuss
02-21-2006, 05:53 PM
Oh The Humanity! Thats Huge.

jimDG
02-21-2006, 06:50 PM
hm. at 175 mph it would take 24 hours across the Atlantic, and close to 2 days to Japan.
Who would ever want to waste 2- to 4 more days in travel on their vacation/business trip?
Its like a ferry. Ferries are nice, but, noone rides them for the ferry ride, and people only take them when the price of the whole trip is comparable to the price of an airplane ticket (i.e. when a ferry is a better alternative, price wise).
And if you are gonna be going 5000 miles away - its probably going to cost you enough anyway to justify a faster ride.

rnzoli
02-22-2006, 06:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BoCfuss:
Oh The Humanity! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I heard that recording, it's downloadable on the Internet. Scares the **** out of me. Almost like being there at the Hindenburg disaster.

Dash_C.
02-22-2006, 07:18 AM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c350/Dash2226/IL-2%20Signatures/blimpin1ae.jpg

han freak solo
02-22-2006, 07:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
Aeroscraft 'flying hotel'. The future of air travel?
http://img.timeinc.net/popsci/images/2006/02/cp0206luxHotel_485.jpg
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool pic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Life is but a fantasy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Lodovik
02-22-2006, 02:33 PM
Heyy, come on guys... I'd book a ticket for a world tour in a Dirigible right now if they were announced to be available!
Imagine stretching your legs in the gondolas' viewing lounge, wearing a tux, sipping some nice chilled Bollinger, listening to the band, chatting up Uma Thurman across the card table with three weeks of en-route travel ahead of you...
You get the picture, I hope. Sometimes, speed ain't everything, it's the class that matters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

woofiedog
02-22-2006, 02:38 PM
Wicked Mint... will they serve Curried Chicken. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-22-2006, 02:52 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I think they'd cook whatever you wanted if you could afford a ride on that mutha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Airmail109
02-22-2006, 02:53 PM
That would be great to shoot at in IL2..................however id say it would take a whole squadron of .50 cal armed fighters to take one out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ploughman
02-22-2006, 03:46 PM
I had that idea like fifteen years ago. I took it too my bank manager but he shot it down in flames. Boom, boom. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

No really, I had this idea of a safari zeppelin, except it didn't explode and kill everyone, and you filled it full of rich dentists and such like and swooped low over the savannah dropping off jeep loads of clients to view the wild life. Nice idea, didn't get off the ground though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

jds1978
02-22-2006, 05:16 PM
i've seen this movie before....it ends badly

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-22-2006, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">didn't get off the ground though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

TX-Gunslinger
02-22-2006, 05:47 PM
As a person who flys to Japan and Europe every now and then on business, if it offers a lot of space, internet connection ..etc.. etc... I'll take it! I could even fly VFC-Coops on the way.

Awesome windows! Would be great to take the polar route to Japan. If you've ever flown out of the U.S. East Coast to Japan, the route is incredibly scenic. Particularly the northern parts of Canada, Alaska....

Only two downsides I can see:

1) number one terror target in the universe. That thing is going to attract suicide-bombers like aircraft on runways attract vulchers online.
2) There's no way the tickets will be competitive with the conventional airlines, that means it'll be expensive.

For alcoholics who travel the possiblities are endless......

Thanks...

han freak solo
02-23-2006, 07:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TX-Gunslinger:
1) number one terror target in the universe. That thing is going to attract suicide-bombers like aircraft on runways attract vulchers online.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, you'd need fighter escort to and from the target.

han freak solo
02-23-2006, 07:07 AM
I mean destination. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

woofiedog
02-23-2006, 07:41 AM
I know where that idea for that Blimp came from... <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The Thunderbirds</span>!

http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content05/walrus-thunderbird2.jpg

http://x-plane.org/home/Dan_Hopgood/TB2v2thumb.jpg

stathem
02-23-2006, 07:45 AM
Well, I think it's a smart idea.

I know that they are about filling it with the safe Helium choice, but hydrogen, despite it's bad rap, is imho, the way forward. Twice the lift for the same volume, it can then also be used to power the fuel cells needed for propulsion. Metal hydide storage of the hydrogen looks like a good option, but would be too heavy for use in the craft.

However, much promise is shown in the concept of storing hydrogen within carbon nanotubes, particularly if doped with (hopefully), nickel or magnesium. That would also be a light and stong material which could potentially be used as an integral part of the airframe.

However,...

Oh no, I appear to be turning into raaid.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-23-2006, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
I know where that idea for that Blimp came from... <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The Thunderbirds</span>!

http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content05/walrus-thunderbird2.jpg

http://x-plane.org/home/Dan_Hopgood/TB2v2thumb.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uncanny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ploughman
02-23-2006, 03:08 PM
Comrades, you're looking at this all wrong. Don't think of this as the A-380's big brother, this isn't a way of getting from A to B, this is a way of bringing A to B. Normally you leave your hotel to go view the sites, now you can bring your hotel with you. Imagine the scene, the Parthenon at Athens with 15 of these suckers in orbit around it. The Great Barrier Reef withering in the shadow of legions of flying hotels! The Good Year Blimp at the Super-Bowl knocked out of sight by air fleets of corporate zeppelins. Astonishing!

gorillasika
02-23-2006, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimDG:
hm. at 175 mph it would take 24 hours across the Atlantic, and close to 2 days to Japan.
Who would ever want to waste 2- to 4 more days in travel on their vacation/business trip?
Its like a ferry. Ferries are nice, but, noone rides them for the ferry ride, and people only take them when the price of the whole trip is comparable to the price of an airplane ticket (i.e. when a ferry is a better alternative, price wise).
And if you are gonna be going 5000 miles away - its probably going to cost you enough anyway to justify a faster ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Say what...? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Here couple of ferries http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.vikingline.fi/index.asp?lang=en

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/gorillasika/gallery-boat-0002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/gorillasika/2805-silja-europa.jpg

Tully__
02-23-2006, 06:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TX-Gunslinger:

2) There's no way the tickets will be competitive with the conventional airlines, that means it'll be expensive.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It doesn't have to be competitive with airliners, it has to be comptetitive with Cruise Ships. Look out Cunard line (or will they be the first customers?)

Viper2005_
02-23-2006, 06:39 PM
This sort of idea comes and goes every few years... Then they do the sums again and re-discover why they didn't do it the last time around.

Eventually it might happen, but I suspect that if/when it does, it won't be used for passenger transport.

If you want luxury you take a cruise ship.

If you want to get there quickly you take an aeroplane.

I don't see why you'd ever really want to take an airship...

stathem
02-24-2006, 03:07 AM
I think you're missing the point a bit there Viper. 150 knots is a fair clip, and there's lots of places a cruise ship can't go, you know, the dry bits between the seas.

Lifting bodies have got to be the way to go for airliners of the future, and it may well be competitive when the price of carbon-based fuels starts to, errr, rocket.

WTE_Ibis
02-24-2006, 05:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
Wicked Mint... will they serve Curried Chicken. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That and the baked beans eaten by 1000 passengers the night before would give it extra lift be sure.

.

woofiedog
02-24-2006, 05:59 AM
WTE_Ibis... Yes... We all must do our share to conserve our Natural Resources. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Jumoschwanz
02-24-2006, 01:07 PM
I was always afraid of sagging from old age....

papotex
02-24-2006, 02:05 PM
guys guys.... i woulnt wory about the diference
between traveling in a sea cruise or in an air ship, or if be competitive when the price of carbon-based fuels starts to rockethip.

sooner than later terrorist will have a pot shot at it.... or they will probably do what they like to do, wait till is best to do it
when its FULL of people.

i bet right there and then the whole idea is going to pass in to history, just like many times before.

in the movie Hindenburg, a terrorist blew that one up.

terrorist would be laughing at how stupid the free world "infidels" can get giving them presents such as this, when it is so obvious
the risks.

leitmotiv
02-24-2006, 02:18 PM
As much as I prefer being airborne to being on the ground, the flying cattle cars have removed the luster from flight (unless, of course, you are in your own Lear jet or able to pay for First Class). I would much rather cross the pond in an airborne ferry than be smashed (I am 6'4") into steerage in a 747 etc. Of course, cash rules, and the airlines may turn this beast into a mega cattle car. I know about this company. They are a bunch of Russians who now operate out of S California. They are the number one airship developers in the world. They built big cargo airships for supply lifts in Siberia. This may be the wave of the future---too bad they don't sell stock!

ploughman
02-24-2006, 03:11 PM
You mean heavy lift airships exist at this time? Show me pictures.

leitmotiv
02-24-2006, 04:14 PM
Apparently so. I was researching the company because they just tendered an offer to build a colossal military heavy-lift airship named the Walrus (goo goo g'joob). They are going head to head with Lockheed's Skunk works on the contract and are favored because they have experience with those Siberian heavy lifters. Gad, I wish they sold stock! Here is the website: http://www.aerosml.com/main.htm