PDA

View Full Version : Is La7 the best plane?



drose01
11-16-2004, 11:45 PM
Are Russian planes the best in il2? Specifically, the La 7 seems to rule, and the Yak is awesome too, in my (admitted relatively unexperienced) hands, superior to the FW190D, P51D, P47 and other planes that according to what I recall from history books were the cream of the crop.

Are the books that I remember wrong? (I am sure that is possible). Am I misjudging how these planes fly in the game?(again, quite possible)

But to me, the La is worlds better in turning and stability than almost anything else, with awesome power too. The other planes tend to turn slower, be be more likely to stall and spin, and power performance is not better, maybe worse.

I notice in online dogfights, where any plane is available, the La7 is usually the most popular and successful choice.

Do you think that some subconscious advantage was given to the la because the programmers are Russian? Or some other reason? Regardless, I know which plane I will choose in a dogfight.

Tooz_69GIAP
11-16-2004, 11:58 PM
Now, the "best plane" really depends on the job you wanna do.

If you dogfight, and turn n burn, and mix it up, the La-7 is certainly a good plane to do that in.

If you wanna blow stuff up in a CAS role, then prolly the IL-2, and now possibly the A-20 and B-25 are the best for that role.

If you wanna carry some big assed bombs, and blow the heck outta something, then probably the He-111 with 2xSC2000 bombs is the best way to go.

When you say "best plane" you need to look at the job you are trying to do with that aircraft.

But the arguements about the La-7, the Ki-84, and others have gone on and on and on and on, and are unlikely to ever be settled.

But, the La-7 is a ****ed good aircraft. It is just about the fastest aircraft on the deck in the game (2.04 I tested all aircraft as I was doing air racing) with 110% power and WEP on, but it's engine will blow up reasonably quick. Turning, it can certainly turn well, and will probably out turn a good number of Luftwaffe aircraft, but not all of them, specially if that aircraft is flown by a good pilot. In regard to armament, the 3xB-20 La-7 rocks!! IF you can hit someone with them. I hate nose guns, I suck so bad at aiming them!!!

It's weaknesses are admittedly few, but there are a couple: the main is the engine. Like I said, once it burns up, there's virtually no power whatsoever, or if it gets pinged (from a Stuka's rear gunner for example http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif ) then it simply refuses to move your aircraft through the air. It's very frustrating. Also, landing can be tricky at times, just with the La-5 series, where if you tap the brakes to much you'll flip the thing, plus it doesn't like to slow down when on approach.

But anyway, I don't care if it's the best, I fly bombers, and I catch many La-7s at their airfields!!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

WOLFMondo
11-17-2004, 01:16 AM
La7's ain't very good at altitude either and at there top speed they don't have good control authority.

WUAF_Badsight
11-17-2004, 02:02 AM
P-47s rule over 8K

TheGozr
11-17-2004, 03:45 AM
No P-11 rule http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

OldMan____
11-17-2004, 03:59 AM
Just remember that books written in western world usually diregard russian technology since it was not directly available to them and URSS had become an "enemy" of western world.

Pure performance for sure some russian planes are the best. But they had problems that you cannot put in a game (very hot and unconfortable pit for example) that diminished pilots capabilities.

TacticalYak3
11-17-2004, 06:07 AM
Did someone praise the Yak again? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

robban75
11-17-2004, 06:13 AM
I've done alot of fighter comparisons in this game and it pretty much shows that the La-7 is the best all around fighter. It has the best zoom climb, it has the fastest diveacceleration, it outaccelerates all other planes in level flight, it's faster than all other fighters at SL, it can turn with all other high speed fighters. It's high alt performance is better than the Fw 190D-9. At dogfight speeds it can roll 160 deg/sec. At least this is what my tests shows.

11-17-2004, 06:34 AM
I performed also some tests, especially to comparison La7 with Ki84-Ic. They showed that over 5000m Ki84 turns a little faster - it has about one second advantage for 360 deg turn. Also zoom climb is better for Ki. It is only a very little bit slower at this alt. I appreciate especially its dreadful armament and durability(in game of course, in reality it was more fragile I think).

Heavy_Weather
11-17-2004, 06:45 AM
thank God for scripted servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

carguy_
11-17-2004, 06:53 AM
There is no such thing as best plane.Few fighters are better than La7-Yak3P,Ki84,P39Q10,P63.

Although The Kurfurst is the king.

Udidtoo
11-17-2004, 07:24 AM
"Do you think that some subconscious advantage was given to the la because the programmers are Russian? Or some other reason? Regardless, I know which plane I will choose in a dogfight"

Subconscious?? no...very most definatly conscious..Delta wood rules baby. Much is written about the 3rd Reich's involvement with arcane arts. What most people don't relise is that Delta wood and a Red star are 2 of the key ingrediants in a ritual that confers both weightlessness and works as a damage/fire supressant. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Anything written to the contrary is revisionest western propaganda commarade. Further more all of the correct thinking wor....I mean simmers know that in real world all radial engined "durable planes" like P-47 would often fail to start if word 'damage'was even mentioned near them. Again, all stories of Thunderbolts returning with cylinders shot away are are capitalist fairytales.

Like someone mentioned above, stick to scipted servers of coops. The Airquake servers might as well just have La7,Ki-84 and Corsairs as the choices because if your not flying one thats what will be on your 6 ripping you up and then they come here and complain about realistic FM & Dm models.....go figure.

Ok, rant over, where's my Ninny bottle?

Oh Norris...a yank is posting....come spread the warmth.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SeaFireLIV
11-17-2004, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
There is no such thing as best plane. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bah! Took the words I was going to say! Anyway, a good simulation of WWII can never have a `best` plane. The Me262 could be considered `best`, but even it has it`s weakness`.

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-17-2004, 07:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
La7's ain't very good at altitude either and at there top speed they don't have good control authority. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif But they are good rides

Atomic_Marten
11-17-2004, 07:43 AM
LA7, the best? No, certainly not IMHO. KI84 is the best piston IMO in v2.04.
Out of category 'normal' planes (jets+pistons of WW2) -- Me262.

Otherwise overall BI1 (check that beast out -- if it had more fuel and heavier punch, it can be considered almost equal to 'Komet') and Me163 are by far the best rides...

WOLFMondo
11-17-2004, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
La7's ain't very good at altitude either and at there top speed they don't have good control authority. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif But they are good rides <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

heh..no doubt about that.

MOhz
11-17-2004, 09:05 AM
robban75, funny that you should mention the acceleration. In the A9 (not D9) I would usually outaccelerate a La7 for quite some time before he would catch up because of superior top speed. That was in 2.04 where I practically only flew the A9 and not D9. But as soon as I get PF I shall be changing pretty much to D9 and F8.

Yeah, there is not quote on quote, best plane.

geetarman
11-17-2004, 09:23 AM
I find it's definately one of the top fighters in the game at low alt. Not so good above 10,000' where a Mustang has an easier time with it.

That said, in a straight TnB-fest, LA-7 drivers have to be careful if Hellcats show up.

robban75
11-17-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MOhz:
robban75, funny that you should mention the acceleration. In the A9 (not D9) I would usually outaccelerate a La7 for quite some time before he would catch up because of superior top speed. That was in 2.04 where I practically only flew the A9 and not D9. But as soon as I get PF I shall be changing pretty much to D9 and F8.

Yeah, there is not quote on quote, best plane. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are level acceleration results between an La-7 and the D-9 ´44. Version 2.04 over Finland, I know it's not the ultimate map to conduct tests in but as both planes were tested on the same map I'd reccon the outcome would be the same had it been done over Crimea. Notice how the La-7 is unaffected by drag above 550km/h compared to the D-9. Both planes can reach 612km/h + at SL.
AFAIK, the D-9 will walk all over the A-9 in just about every performance aspect with a good margin. In RL the D-9 was just slighty better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

D-9

100 - 6
150 - 9
200 - 13
250 - 18
300 - 22
350 - 27
400 - 35
450 - 44
500 - 57
530 - 1:09
550 - 1:22
570 - 1:43
580 - 1:59
590 - 2:20
595 - 2:48
597 - 3:17
598 - 3:54

La-7

100 - 10(The engine dropped in rpm for a few seconds.)
150 - 13(engine regaining rpm)
200 - 17
250 - 20
300 - 24
350 - 29
400 - 35
450 - 42
500 - 53
550 - 1:12
570 - 1:26
580 - 1:37
590 - 1:54
595 - 2:11
598 - 2:30

crazyivan1970
11-17-2004, 10:28 AM
Will take G6/AS or K4 over La7 any day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sir.Robin-1337
11-17-2004, 10:36 AM
Below 26K - P-51D20NA
Above 26K - P-51B

Intruder_GP
11-17-2004, 11:48 AM
pffff.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gifI'll poke holes in the La7 anytime with a Yak3P http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

FI-Aflak
11-17-2004, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
La7's ain't very good at altitude either and at there top speed they don't have good control authority. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A good pilot in an energy fighter will always beat the La-7. P-47, P-51, 190, 109, a good number of other planes, too, but those four are the ones that make it easy.

The_Gorey
11-17-2004, 02:48 PM
109k4 is the best. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fish6891
11-18-2004, 01:45 AM
TUT! I'll take a Dora over that lousy La any day! Dora reigns supreme when flown correctly, *clumsy oafs who can't handle her can stick to their La's*! <----(*Just Heckling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Dolemite-
11-18-2004, 01:51 AM
newbs... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

VW-IceFire
11-18-2004, 08:16 AM
Dislike the La-7. Its mushy at high speed, its controls are fairly well balanced but sort of average, the firepower is good but only if you like centerline cannons.

But its darned fast, very light, very manuverable, and very deadly.

The game doesn't model that the things don't last long...the wood, although strong, rots. Thats why they built the La-9 after the war...all metal.

Cossack_UA
11-18-2004, 08:57 AM
La 7 was designed for total war, for a very short life on a front line.

It was a perfect fighter for the given circumstances: total war, character of pilots who flew them, and tactics used.

La 7 wouldn€t have worked for any other air force. But it did work for Soviet air force.

MOhz
11-18-2004, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
These are level acceleration results between an La-7 and the D-9 ´44. Version 2.04 over Finland, I know it's not the ultimate map to conduct tests in but as both planes were tested on the same map I'd reccon the outcome would be the same had it been done over Crimea. Notice how the La-7 is unaffected by drag above 550km/h compared to the D-9. Both planes can reach 612km/h + at SL.
AFAIK, the D-9 will walk all over the A-9 in just about every performance aspect with a good margin. In RL the D-9 was just slighty better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

D-9

100 - 6
150 - 9
200 - 13
250 - 18
300 - 22
350 - 27
400 - 35
450 - 44
500 - 57
530 - 1:09
550 - 1:22
570 - 1:43
580 - 1:59
590 - 2:20
595 - 2:48
597 - 3:17
598 - 3:54

La-7

100 - 10(The engine dropped in rpm for a few seconds.)
150 - 13(engine regaining rpm)
200 - 17
250 - 20
300 - 24
350 - 29
400 - 35
450 - 42
500 - 53
550 - 1:12
570 - 1:26
580 - 1:37
590 - 1:54
595 - 2:11
598 - 2:30 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the info. Uh right, I forget to add, my experience was just under fighting circumstances and so not equally tested. I am too stupid for testing and don't have the time to learn it. But still thanks for the info!
How come the D9 was only slighlty better? You mean because of fuel degradation?

Yeah, the La7 is really fine, but I cannot hit a **** thing with its cannons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif!! But I don't like La anyhow.

Atomic_Marten
11-18-2004, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MOhz:
Thanks for the info. Uh right, I forget to add, my experience was just under fighting circumstances and so not equally tested. I am too stupid for testing and don't have the time to learn it. But still thanks for the info!
How come the D9 was only slighlty better? You mean because of fuel degradation?

Yeah, the La7 is really fine, but I cannot hit a **** thing with its cannons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif!! But I don't like La anyhow. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I believe you. LA series are very very demanding on gunnery. You must practice on it to be good, unlike some other planes which you can use as good gun platforms in spite the fact that you haven't flown that plane before.. LA is not that kind of plane.. IMHO. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Kurfurst__
11-18-2004, 11:14 AM
The La-7 is the best fighter in the game, 0-2000m. It competes in everything with the K-4, the armament is better vs. fighters even if not so brutal, + its slightly more manouverable in all axis.

But at 2001m, Thor`s hammer falls on it`s ugly head. Lack of a good supercharger, good altitude performance... any good 109 pilot knows the Lavochkin superiority lasts about 1 min if he starts to climb, even if the fight started on the deck.. then it`s a matter of discipline and patience.. An awful lot of new planes were added ever since these two, but I still think they are the top notch. And that isnt likely to change.

WTE_Galway
11-18-2004, 03:18 PM
wait for the tempest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif