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aminx
09-03-2004, 02:16 PM
the recent dev update shows the Avenger attacking the AKAGI.Was'nt it the poor Devastators that went out at sea level with no escort(Wildcats) to attack the incoming jap task force and got wiped out?the 4 jap carriers were sunk by the Dauntlesses only.
there were 6 brand new Avengers at Midway at the outbreak of hostilities but i dont see anything written about them taking part in the offences once the jap task force was located after they attacked the island.
aminx

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aminx
09-03-2004, 02:16 PM
the recent dev update shows the Avenger attacking the AKAGI.Was'nt it the poor Devastators that went out at sea level with no escort(Wildcats) to attack the incoming jap task force and got wiped out?the 4 jap carriers were sunk by the Dauntlesses only.
there were 6 brand new Avengers at Midway at the outbreak of hostilities but i dont see anything written about them taking part in the offences once the jap task force was located after they attacked the island.
aminx

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Resident_Jock
09-03-2004, 02:18 PM
What can I say besides it's a dev update, designed for eye candy and not historical accuracy?

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lkemling
09-03-2004, 02:19 PM
Yes they were there, flying from Midway, though they didn't fair much better than the TBDs

berg417448
09-03-2004, 03:06 PM
First Combat - Midway

"Only six TBF's actually entered front-line, combat service in time for the critical Battle of Midway on June 4, 1942. These planes, attached to VT-8, flew up to Midway Island itself three days before. Commanded by Lieutenant Langdon K. Fieberling, none of the TBF pilots had ever been in combat, and only a few had ever flown out of sight of land before. (Most of this squadron, the famed Torpedo Squadron Eight, flew the outmoded Douglas Devastators from the carrier Hornet.) But both new and old were nearly wiped out.
Lieutenant Fieberling's six TBFs reached the Japanese fleet at 7:10 AM, dropped to low altitude and bore on toward the carriers. Zeros swarmed around the vulnerable torpedo planes. Two TBFs were destroyed in the first attack, followed by three more. Realizing that he could not reach the carriers, Ensign Albert K. Earnest loosed his torpedo at a cruiser, then broke away with two Zeros after him. Earnest flew his shot-up TBF back to Midway, navigating "by guess and by God." Earnest's was the only TBF to return, with nothing but the trim tab for longitudinal control, with one wheel and the torpedo bay doors hanging open. Radioman 3rd Class Harrier H. Ferrier was injured and Seaman 1st Class Jay D. Manning, who was operating the .50 caliber machine gun turret, was killed during the attack. "

ploughman
09-03-2004, 04:12 PM
This is a 'Work in Progress' update.
After this game is released, after you've paid actual money, then you get to complain. And think about it, for the 30 or so pound/dollars you actually will have to pay, how much do get back...? Oooh, so much.

But really, you know in your heart that only the BoB engine will deliver what you want. You're just going to have to wait.

Bearcat99
09-03-2004, 09:50 PM
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These guys werent at Midway!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif


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SkyChimp
09-03-2004, 09:55 PM
How did Thor swing his hammer around like that without twisting the strap. I mean, did he have to stop after every few spins to untwirl the strap, or did it have a swivel?

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Bearcat99
09-03-2004, 10:01 PM
Doesnt it look like they were going to step on a bunch of bugs..... LOL I used to wonder that too!! I actually made my own URU hammer... it didnt work so good.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif I also had a shield.... my own Batarangs....of course webbing... and my ring... had to have the ring..... "In brightest day..... In blackest night......"

Yeah Avengers at Midway... didnt G.H.W.Bush fly an Avenger?

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JR_Greenhorn
09-03-2004, 10:05 PM
Clearly his hand swivels at the wrist.
Didn't you have action figure toys as a kid?

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necrobaron
09-03-2004, 11:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
didnt G.H.W.Bush fly an Avenger?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. It was called the "Barbera III", or something like that.

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actionhank1786
09-04-2004, 12:11 AM
I'm pretty sure with Oleg being as much of a stickler for historical accuracy as he is, he's not going to let something like that slip by.
The Development updates are just to show us cool new features, it's not ment to be a history lesson.

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Texas LongHorn
09-04-2004, 08:05 AM
Cut it out Bear, that's the second time I've spit morning Coffee at my monitor after reading one of your posts. Keep it up sir, you're a great moderator. You're right too, the former Pres did indeed fly an Avenger(not at Midway though,) his story is interesting in that he was rescued by Sub and was at the time the youngest commissioned Officer in the Navy at only nineteen. berg made another interesting point about the lone surviving Avenger at Midway, that particular aircraft was crated up and sent back by Cruiser, first to Mare Island and then to Pax river. They wanted to study the damage done by IJN ammo. Depending on whether you count entry hits or both entry and exit hits, the Avenger in question had over one hundred or close to TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY holes punced into the plane! By the way, when questioned about his miracle flight and equelly amazing resque the Pres said- "She's a heck of a plane" to the sub crew. Of course he didn't say "heck" &lt;ggg.&gt; I've been reading so much lately it all blends together but If I remember right the same Sub that rescued Bush (and filmed the whole thing) later sunk the Shinano, but with a different skipper and later in the war obviously. All the best Bearcat, LongHorn

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Longjocks
09-04-2004, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
the recent dev update shows the Avenger attacking the AKAGI.Was'nt it the poor Devastators that went out at sea level with no escort(Wildcats) to attack the incoming jap task force and got wiped out?the 4 jap carriers were sunk by the Dauntlesses only.
there were 6 brand new Avengers at Midway at the outbreak of hostilities but i dont see anything written about them taking part in the offences once the jap task force was located after they attacked the island.
aminx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dude, you are aware that every time we post without thinking God strikes down a little puppy, aren't you? STOP KILLING THE PUPPIES!

Oops... there goes another one. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VW-IceFire
09-04-2004, 09:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
the recent dev update shows the Avenger attacking the AKAGI.Was'nt it the poor Devastators that went out at sea level with no escort(Wildcats) to attack the incoming jap task force and got wiped out?the 4 jap carriers were sunk by the Dauntlesses only.
there were 6 brand new Avengers at Midway at the outbreak of hostilities but i dont see anything written about them taking part in the offences once the jap task force was located after they attacked the island.
aminx

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As mentioned, its widely recorded that 6 Avengers took part in the attack and were slaughted like the Devastators were.

Apparently one Avenger pilot clung to a liferaft near the engagement after being shot down watching as the Dauntless dive bomber squadron from Enterprise pounced on the Japanese carriers.

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SkyChimp
09-04-2004, 09:48 AM
It seems that many new planes had inauspicious combat debuts. The P-39, P-40, P-38, F4U, TBF all seemed to have faired poorly their first times in combat.

Regards,
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Texas LongHorn
09-04-2004, 11:29 AM
You guys got it wrong, the survivor in question was Ensign George Gay. I used to live in West Seattle WA and his son, daughter in law and grandson lived about a block down the street. I met him before he died and even had the opportunity to slam back a couple of beers with the guy. He was a very humble guy and you had to pry stuff out of him, if you know what I mean. All the best, LongHorn

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Texas LongHorn
09-04-2004, 11:30 AM
Here's the link to Gay in the National Archives;
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pers-us/uspers-g/g-gay.htm
All the best, LongHorn

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VF-17_Jolly
09-04-2004, 01:14 PM
Ensign George Gay was indeed left floating in the sea but as mentioned 6 TBF`s also took part

On June 4, 1942, the six flew into the Battle of Midway; only one survived. After his attempt to torpedo a cruiser, Ensign Albert K. Earnest flew his badly damaged TBF-1 back to Midway, using the trim tab for longitudinal control. The radioman, 3rd Lass Harrier H. Ferrier was injured, and Seaman 1st Class Jay D. Manning, who was operating the .50 caliber machine gun turret, was killed.

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jensenpark
09-04-2004, 05:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
How did Thor swing his hammer around like that without twisting the strap. I mean, did he have to stop after every few spins to untwirl the strap, or did it have a swivel?

_Regards,
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I think he uses alot of wrist action. Something many on this forum are probably very familiar with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ElektroFredrik
09-05-2004, 09:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jensenpark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
How did Thor swing his hammer around like that without twisting the strap. I mean, did he have to stop after every few spins to untwirl the strap, or did it have a swivel?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he uses alot of wrist action. Something many on this forum are probably very familiar with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You is wrong! Both of you! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
He has three hammers welded to a dustbin lid
(that grey blurry thing above the hammers)
and holding the hammers by the straps he's about
to toss the whole thing at some poor little bug.
Be sure!

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Latico
09-05-2004, 12:00 PM
Seems like I read that the TB crewman that had the frontrow seat during the VB attacks hid under his seat cushion. He didm't want to draw attention to himself so he wouldn't be straffed by a Zeke or shot at by a passing IJ ship,

DuxCorvan
09-05-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
How did Thor swing his hammer around like that without twisting the strap. I mean, did he have to stop after every few spins to untwirl the strap, or did it have a swivel?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The real question is: who made the customs and clothes for those guys? Because they don't seem to be specially good at sewing. Since they don't want to be known, they can't go to a taylor and say, hey, I'm a superhero and want my green muscled suit before Tuesday. I have to beat Dr. Madturd that day. So, are their moms involved in their deeds? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

As for the surviving guy in the TBF attack at Midway, I looked for "Gay" in Google, but I didn't found exactly what I wanted... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BTW, Bush flew Avengers, but not in Midway... maybe he should... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

TX-WarHawk
09-05-2004, 02:12 PM
Why don't you create a thread for Thor's discussion and leave this one on-topic?! It's sad to see how a simple thread with an even simpler question can be infested by totally off-topic discussion and.....! Shame, shame....

DuxCorvan
09-05-2004, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-WarHawk:
Why don't you create a thread for Thor's discussion (...) ?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK. Now I have the honor to inaugurate the official

**** ON-TOPIC THOR THREAD ****

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TX-WarHawk
09-05-2004, 02:30 PM
Hooah, there goes another puppy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif. Thank you for your cooperation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[This message was edited by TX-WarHawk on Sun September 05 2004 at 02:24 PM.]

lwaun
09-07-2004, 12:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-WarHawk:
Hooah, there goes another puppy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif. Thank you for your cooperation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[This message was edited by TX-WarHawk on Sun September 05 2004 at 02:24 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Being a cat lover I am very happy to hear this news about puppies being eradicated. I shall start posting nonsense all over. Ever been flying IL-2 when a lynx maine coon cross jumps up on the keyboard and causes you to crash. It happened to me.

TX-WarHawk
09-07-2004, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by r0bman:
you've gotta love when discussions about airplanes turn into discussions about superheroes... HILARIOUS.

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I think there's a name for that, but I opt for not mentioning it..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Ki_Rin
09-08-2004, 10:18 AM
Isnt that, or shouldnt it be, George Ghey? hehehehe...surprised it hasnt been censored http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Wasnt Gay a Devastator pilot, not a TBF driver?

and what is Ant-man and Wasp (not the CV) doing is that pic, Bear? shouldnt they be back at Avengers mansion, humping, or doing dishes, or something? like, what are they good for, anyhow?

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Ki_Rin
09-08-2004, 10:21 AM
Dont be so sorry for the little bug!...I know that issue..."the Deltawood Scorpions from Magna-5"....takes the than Mjolnr to crack them, be sure!....worst you can do to them is blind them from Ironman's wrist-Mk108s muzzle flash<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElektroFredrik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jensenpark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
How did Thor swing his hammer around like that without twisting the strap. I mean, did he have to stop after every few spins to untwirl the strap, or did it have a swivel?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he uses alot of wrist action. Something many on this forum are probably very familiar with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You is wrong! Both of you! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
He has three hammers welded to a dustbin lid
(that grey blurry thing above the hammers)
and holding the hammers by the straps he's about
to toss the whole thing at some poor little bug.
Be sure!

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Flying online as Furvert_Elektro<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Fliger747
09-08-2004, 07:27 PM
Glad to have the updates and will accept them as WIP's.

However, still really dislike the 'vapor trails' from the AA and the aircraft guns as well. It is RARE (I shoot a lot) to see these and if present they are pretty faint (and dissapear almost immediatly). Just give us a good tracer and disban the 'vapor trails'. Any body seen anuy of these in ANY historical footage of anything?

By the way, the czech-six videos are quite interesting if anyone hasn't seen them. Especially nice formation flying with the F$U's

P-DEX
09-09-2004, 10:05 AM
OK to sum up:

1) Ens. George Gay did NOT fly an Avenger. He flew with Torpedo Squadron 8 off the U.S.S. Hornet. He flew the TBD Devastator, a woefully underpowered and outdated American torpedo plane, easy meat for Japanese fighters. The entire torpedo squadron was destroyed at the Battle of Midway and Gay was the only survivor of his squadron.

2) Ens. Gay floated in a life raft near the battle and had a great view of events. He is said to have hid under his life jacket from time to time (appearing like a piece of floating debris) when a Japanese plane would fly over his position.

3) There WERE Avengers in the Battle of Midway, but there were only six of them. They flew off Midway proper and arrived a few days before the battle began. Their crews were green. All of the Avengers were destroyed...five were destroyed over the Japanese fleet and the sixth when it landed back at Midway after the attack (it was written off).

Now back to your regularly off topic posting about the comic book Avengers...and all that other stuff...

SKULLS_Exec01
09-09-2004, 01:54 PM
Thanks Dex, I was beginning to forget what this thread was about...
Great info...

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