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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:57 AM
hello,
i want to check some fighter-claims from the battle of france.
especially the 12. and 13. may 1940.
has someone a good source ?
allied losses these days ?
maybe a link .


Thank you.

Boandl



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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

Message Edited on 09/23/0310:58AM by Boandlgramer

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:57 AM
hello,
i want to check some fighter-claims from the battle of france.
especially the 12. and 13. may 1940.
has someone a good source ?
allied losses these days ?
maybe a link .


Thank you.

Boandl



http://www.bayern.de/Layout/wappen.gif

Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

Message Edited on 09/23/0310:58AM by Boandlgramer

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:00 PM
no allied losses> Vulching is unbeatable > watch Gibbage and Yankwhiners.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:50 PM
Good luck. The official RAF records are at the bottom of Boulogne harbour. French air force records were also lost during the occupation. On the 12 May the allies got the first inkling that something was happening in the Ardennes.
On Sunday 12 May 12 Bleniems 139 Sqnd were sent to Maastricht only one came back. Also a following group of 24 Blenhiems lost 10. 15 Belgian Air force Battles attacked bridges on the Albert canal they lost 2. 5 Battles of 12 Sqnd took of to attack the bridges 1 came back. The first kill by the Defiant on this day a Ju88 to the guns of LAC F H King.
On Monday the 13th Dowding was asked to send 32 more hurricanes to France.
On that day the Germans forced the passage of the Meuse.
On the 13th Lacey got his first kills 3 that day.
That's all I have been able to dredge up on those two days.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 03:03 PM
On the evening of 12th May "The British War Cabinet were told that 76 British aircraft had been lost in the 2 days (11th and 12th) of fighting" Source Martin Gilbert Second World War.

Not quite what you wanted


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 03:10 PM
You might want to try the Twelve O'clock High Luftwaffe Discussion Group. You can make contact with an extremely knowledgeable group of people there, including some well known authors on the subject. Good folks.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:11 PM
thank you, guys.
what i am searching ?
how many hurricans were lost , at 12 . and 13. may , 1940



quax46,
can you post an link to the twelve o´clock high luftwaffe board ?
thx again


Boandl

http://www.bayern.de/Layout/wappen.gif

Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:17 PM
http://disc.server.com/Indices/3051.html

There's an Allied board as well, which would probably be a better bet for Allied losses. link is at the top of the 12 o'clock page

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:12 AM
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http://www.bayern.de/Layout/wappen.gif

Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:16 AM
I can't find my source right now, but if I recall correctly, overclaiming was not much of an issue during this time period, so LW records should be fairly accurate (at least for Allied fighters lost in combat). I think this is because claims were easily verified on the ground due to the rapidity of the campaign.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:54 PM
The LW claims are highly exagerated : a lot of French wrecks were attributed to several pilots and in the euphory of victory, the German did not bother crosschecking.

As to French losses :
13 Br 693 were lost the 12th, none the 13th (18 were available in the morning of the 12th !!!)
No Navy Aircraft was lost, and no bomber.
As to Fighters, the account must be around 30 aircraft for both days.

If you want a more accurate account, please send a question to the forum :
http://www.aerostories.org/~aeroforums/forumhist/
Though it is in theory a French forum, people often post in English, so there is no language problem.

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 09:11 PM
RAF Bomber Command losses for the Battle of France:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/diary/diary_france.html

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In January 1945 German officials from the Ministry of Armaments assessed what might have been produced in 1944 without the bombing. They estimated that German industry turned out 35% fewer tanks, 31% fewer aircraft and 42% fewer lorries than would have been possible otherwise.All the officials interviewed (after the war) stated that bombing was the factor responsible for the declining gains from rationalisation and for the eventual collapse of the economic structure after January 1945

Professor R.J. Overy, 'War and Economy in the Third Reich'