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stalkervision
08-27-2008, 02:42 PM
I saw something about where in the real 109 one has infinite variable flap adjustment not just three settings. Does the Il-2 game model this? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

stalkervision
08-27-2008, 02:42 PM
I saw something about where in the real 109 one has infinite variable flap adjustment not just three settings. Does the Il-2 game model this? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

triad773
08-27-2008, 03:02 PM
In a word, yes.

I have a Saitek Throttle Quad- one is power, one is prop pitch, and one is flaps. I have trim on the buttons. It works well, and gives me variable flaps on a Hurricane too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif All you have to do is assign the control in HOTAS of course.

Dustysquareback
08-27-2008, 03:06 PM
If you map flaps to a slider (or maybe even a rotary) control - you can deploy flaps in degrees (very helpful with some of the British birds).

Also, infinitely?. Those clever krauts! How'd they get around Zenos paradox I wonder? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
08-27-2008, 03:07 PM
Oh boy, this is very nice to hear.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

JG52Uther
08-27-2008, 03:11 PM
Saitek throttle quad for me as well.I can have flaps in any position.

stalkervision
08-27-2008, 03:31 PM
So another question maybe. If you use the flaps with a slider in combat does it make a difference in manauberability over fixed position settings? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PanzerAce
08-27-2008, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dustysquareback:
If you map flaps to a slider (or maybe even a rotary) control - you can deploy flaps in degrees (very helpful with some of the British birds).

Also, infinitely?. Those clever krauts! How'd they get around Zenos paradox I wonder? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you don't have to get around Zeno's Paradox http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, in fact, Zeno guarantees an infinite amount.

WTE_Galway
08-27-2008, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
So another question maybe. If you use the flaps with a slider in combat does it make a difference in manauberability over fixed position settings? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

generally its only a good idea to use flaps in combat in planes with Fowler Flaps

M_Gunz
08-27-2008, 05:32 PM
Using flaps in combat means you let your speed get low.
Sometimes it happens but is it really something you want?

avolopoT
08-27-2008, 08:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
So another question maybe. If you use the flaps with a slider in combat does it make a difference in manauberability over fixed position settings? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

generally its only a good idea to use flaps in combat in planes with Fowler Flaps </div></BLOCKQUOTE>.

oops!

avolopoT
08-27-2008, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Using flaps in combat means you let your speed get low.
Sometimes it happens but is it really something you want? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what?

Chivas
08-27-2008, 09:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
So another question maybe. If you use the flaps with a slider in combat does it make a difference in manauberability over fixed position settings? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I was caught low and slow by a Spit. I used to be able to drop flaps in degrees with my 109 and have the Spit overshoot me. Now that people are putting their flaps on a slider it doesn't work anymore. I wouldn't mind if the aircraft was capable of doing it, but the Spit wasn't one of them. I remember reading where they had to jam peices of wood in the flaps of the Spitfire so it could take off from a carrier. Then hoping they could shake the wood free after take off.

M_Gunz
08-27-2008, 11:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by avolopoT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Using flaps in combat means you let your speed get low.
Sometimes it happens but is it really something you want? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Flaps make lots of extra drag.
You want to fly fast or be a mudhen?

PanzerAce
08-27-2008, 11:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by avolopoT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Using flaps in combat means you let your speed get low.
Sometimes it happens but is it really something you want? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Flaps make lots of extra drag.
You want to fly fast or be a mudhen? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Assuming someone is already going faster than you, you want to make the engagement window as small as possible: Thus, dropping flaps and slipping to the side can be good.

M_Gunz
08-28-2008, 12:11 AM
Barrel roll will make you harder to hit and let you keep more speed.
Consider after he separates that the difference between your speed and his may limit your
options severely.
At flaps down turn speed, how well do you turn when the flaps come back up? You can keep
the flaps down but that means you can't accelerate worth spit nor zoom much at all.

Even a mediocre energy fighter in a plane he whines about speed bleed in can eat you alive then.

triad773
08-28-2008, 12:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
If you use the flaps with a slider in combat does it make a difference in manauberability over fixed position settings? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can use flaps like that in combat, BUT as I have had happen if you are going too fast they can get STUCK in that position, leaving you at a real disadvantage for what may turn out to be a short fight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

In short you can, but be very careful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

stalkervision
08-28-2008, 06:16 AM
So spits and Hurricanes can use this feature too even though they couldn't in actual life? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Ahh pi-ss on that.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triad773
08-28-2008, 06:49 AM
Yeah it is an all or nothing proposition I'm afraid. Still it's nice to have a choice at least.

Triad

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-28-2008, 07:41 AM
So let's see if I've understood this...

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http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

stalkervision
08-28-2008, 08:13 AM
L.F. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DKoor
08-28-2008, 08:25 AM
No offense, but Spitfire fan base is stronger than a 109 one.
Take away Kurfurst and 109ers are at least 40-50% weaker.

However one must admit Spit base took heavy blows with all those long-term/perma bans that took away some of the hard-core UBi pioneers which were advocates & Public Relations in one person really...

SlickStick
08-28-2008, 02:19 PM
Map your Spitfire flaps to a slider and don't look back. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

@L.F. - Priceless mate, priceless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

M_Gunz
08-28-2008, 03:04 PM
OMG, it's so pathetic!

stalkervision
08-28-2008, 03:16 PM
The 109 guys have all got shot down due to their overly porked aircraft.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
08-28-2008, 03:20 PM
On the other hand the 190 drivers seem to be having a gay old time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SlickStick
08-28-2008, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
On the other hand the 190 drivers seem to be having a gay old time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My online K/D ratio doubles when I fly the FWs. "Stay high, stay fast, hit hard, and run like hell". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Chivas
08-28-2008, 04:15 PM
I agree...I fly the FW190 now, but I used to really enjoy mixing it up with the Spits in a 109.

SlickStick
08-29-2008, 11:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chivas:
I agree...I fly the FW190 now, but I used to really enjoy mixing it up with the Spits in a 109. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a great match-up for sure. A well-flown 109G2 can give Spit drivers fits, even the good to great ones. When both are up high, the Spit cannot match dive speeds with the 109 either.

I usually only worry about G2s in 1942. In the other year scenarios, I'll take the Vc (2) or (4) against the 109F2 or F4 and the later 109s from 1943 and up are beaten with the Mk. VIII CW or Mk. IXe H.F. or even, dare I say the +25lbs. monster that is the ultimate speed Spitfire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Chivas
08-29-2008, 12:16 PM
The G2 is great but the rear view is a killer. I used to fly the G6 AS with good success but couldn't compete with the Spit when they started working the flaps. Atleast I can runaway in the 190 if I make a mistake and the fight starts to shift to the Spits advantage.

TheFamilyMan
08-29-2008, 01:11 PM
I mapped my flaps to the slider when I first got my X52. Thought it was pretty cool until I found out it wasn't realistic (usually). So the slider became prop pitch and I use the mouse wheel to ratchet the flap positions. It bugs me to know that I'm "cheating" by doing something with a plane (mainly that beloved spitfire) that clearly by design wasn't an option for the actual pilot. I guess I'll have to make that 109 profile now...I also notice that the AI I-16's partially drop their flaps on takeoff...

buzzsaw1939
08-29-2008, 02:21 PM
Hey Stalker.. I'm probably giveing away a secret here, but what the hey, try flap popping, hit flaps down when you need them in a turn, like combat flaps, then put them back up again before they get too far down, works like a charm! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Same on take off's!

Of course I'm refering mostly to the Spit, with those spoilers they call flaps! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triad773
08-29-2008, 05:30 PM
I rarely fly the Spit- more the Hurri. But even more the 109 so the fact of historical vs. non-historical doesn't seem to enter into my flying. More than that, the P-40, P-400, P-39, P-63, P-38 and the like. I sort of like to see where I am going when I am taxing/taking off/landing- so I think I have gravitated to those planes naturally.

If you do fly the Hurri or Spit, be a sportsman about it. I try to. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
08-29-2008, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Hey Stalker.. I'm probably giveing away a secret here, but what the hey, try flap popping, hit flaps down when you need them in a turn, like combat flaps, then put them back up again before they get too far down, works like a charm! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Same on take off's!


Of course I'm refering mostly to the Spit, with those spoilers they call flaps! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks buddy I'll give it a try. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
08-29-2008, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
I mapped my flaps to the slider when I first got my X52. Thought it was pretty cool until I found out it wasn't realistic (usually). So the slider became prop pitch and I use the mouse wheel to ratchet the flap positions. It bugs me to know that I'm "cheating" by doing something with a plane (mainly that beloved spitfire) that clearly by design wasn't an option for the actual pilot. I guess I'll have to make that 109 profile now...I also notice that the AI I-16's partially drop their flaps on takeoff... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya, I know what you mean. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif