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sparty7200
06-21-2005, 06:33 AM
here's some pics of "FAITH" at Malta
War Museum...theres a back room behind her with bits of a/c dredged up over the years inc bits of spitfire, stuka and a 109 left wing (looks like an f series) but it was closed when i went last but will try again in the coming months so will post more pics then...hope you like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
with thanks also to Ankanor for info on posting these!....and also to Dieg777 for his invaluable help with my pc .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
regards
sparty
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sparty7200
06-21-2005, 06:33 AM
here's some pics of "FAITH" at Malta
War Museum...theres a back room behind her with bits of a/c dredged up over the years inc bits of spitfire, stuka and a 109 left wing (looks like an f series) but it was closed when i went last but will try again in the coming months so will post more pics then...hope you like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
with thanks also to Ankanor for info on posting these!....and also to Dieg777 for his invaluable help with my pc .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
regards
sparty
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MEGILE
06-21-2005, 06:45 AM
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Airmail109
06-21-2005, 07:13 AM
I thought areoplanes were meant to have wings! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

sparty7200
06-21-2005, 07:17 AM
there's no wings i presume because thee"s no room http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif still nice to see tho...got more pics of whats in there as well if anybody interested.!!!!
sparty

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-21-2005, 07:31 AM
You bet we're interested. Those are very cool.


TB

sparty7200
06-21-2005, 08:24 AM
Here's some more pics then...some were taken with the mobile phone as my cam decided it didn't like the memory card..(story of my life that)...so apologies for quality on some pics
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PBNA-Boosher
06-21-2005, 09:30 AM
Which Gladiator Version is "Faith?" A Mk. I?

Chuck_Older
06-21-2005, 12:51 PM
If only the stories were true. Good legend for all that

ploughman
06-21-2005, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I thought areoplanes were meant to have wings! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had to go back to check. Doh. Love the Ohio though. Stephen Spielberg should make a movie of that story, I mean it doesn't get any more extreme; an American fast tanker dragged into port lashed to RN destroyers with wrecked Stukas on her deck with just enough juice in her to keep the island fighting! And that's just the ending.

dieg777
06-21-2005, 01:28 PM
thank you sparty7200 much appreciated.

The 3 gladiators ( Faith, Hope & Charity) were at one time the only air defence on the island and went up against vast odds. These were soon supplimented with hurricanes and a lot later by spitfires.
All early operations from the island were conducted against superior numbers with the airfields often under attack.

&lt;S&gt;

gombal40
06-21-2005, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
If only the stories were true. Good legend for all that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

enlighten us with knowledge. Not lines

If you ain't reggae for it..funk out!

No-one knocking at your door?

Overpowered by funk? Funk out!

darkhorizon11
06-21-2005, 01:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dieg777:
thank you sparty7200 much appreciated.

The 3 gladiators ( Faith, Hope & Charity) were at one time the only air defence on the island and went up against vast odds. These were soon supplimented with hurricanes and a lot later by spitfires.
All early operations from the island were conducted against superior numbers with the airfields often under attack.

&lt;S&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

At one point the LW estimated a force of over 27 Gladiators must be defending the island due to the tenacity and the repitioius way the British fought back. Really the pilots were flying four and five missions a day in just these three aircraft which made it seem like whenever the LW attacked the RAF was waiting.

True bravery.

Chuck_Older
06-21-2005, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gombal40:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
If only the stories were true. Good legend for all that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

enlighten us with knowledge. Not lines

If you ain't reggae for it..funk out!

No-one knocking at your door?

Overpowered by funk? Funk out! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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The story goes loosely like this:

Malta was for a time defended against the Luftwaffe by only three biplanes: Gladiators, named Faith, Hope and Charity

Since supply was poor to Malta, planes were scarce. Two versions of the story at this point

1) Crated spare parts were used to cobble together three flyable Gladiators

2) new, crated Gladiators were discoverd in storage on malta, assembled, and valianty used in defense of the island

But, although a fascinating and evocative image, it just didn't happen. No evidence exists to my knowledge, anywhere, that confirms that only three Gladiators named ANYthing, let alone Faith Hope and Charity, were used to defend Malta.

Sorry to burst any bubbles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Great story, and I wish it were true, but it most likely (almost certainly) is a legend or a contemporary rumor that grew during the war and got re-told so many times it is 'fact' now

Beautiful Gladiator, though

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dieg777
06-21-2005, 03:27 PM
I believe the story to be essentially true. That there was a core of 3 or 4 gladiators supplimented by spares from others

refrences

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/malta.htm

which lists sources

http://louishenwood.com/history/history6.html

http://www.geocities.com/acrawford0/Malta.html

Capt_Haddock
06-21-2005, 03:54 PM
Nice pics. Thanks for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Which Gladiator Version is "Faith?" A Mk. I? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's supposed to be a Sea Gladiator, a modified MkII with strenghened fuselage structure and lower longerons, and V-shaped arrestor hook.

There's something strange, though: The plane in those photos shows a MkI cockpit frame, not the MkII you'd expect on a Sea Gladiator. Mystery.

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Chuck_Older
06-21-2005, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dieg777:
I believe the story to be essentially true. That there was a core of 3 or 4 gladiators supplimented by spares from others

refrences

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/malta.htm

which lists sources

http://louishenwood.com/history/history6.html

http://www.geocities.com/acrawford0/Malta.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I'm not sayign Gladiators didn't exist on Malta, or that a small number did not defend the island alone at some times

What I'm saying is that the histories of the air war I have read (such as **** and Jane discuss WWII) all cast doubt on the actual existence of Faith Hope and Charity, regardless of what Maltese Historians say.

I shouldn't have said anything. But Cap'n Haddock raises quite a valid point.

If anything, that Gladiator has parts of many different aircraft in it's construction. Are many parts from the serial number better known as "Faith"? Sure, I have no problem believing that. But it's almost certain that during the battle, it did not fly with "Faith" painted on it- rather, it was named after the fact.

The Legend contends that Three planes did it- three. Not a core group, but three http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif And also, that they were named and flew with those names in the battle. Serious doubts exist about it

Capt.England
06-21-2005, 04:40 PM
I have an official Malta book about WW2 somewhere in my house. I will try and find it tonight and let you know about the so called Faith, Hope, and Charity story. From what I can remember, On the day Malta got involved in the war, there was only three flying Gladiators available to defend the isle. I think that this was only for a month until planes could be diverted from the desert campaign. Will check the book and let you all know.

It looks like the displays in the museum have not changed in the 13 years since I last visited in 1992! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

F19_Orheim
06-21-2005, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
Nice pics. Thanks for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Which Gladiator Version is "Faith?" A Mk. I? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's supposed to be a Sea Gladiator, a modified MkII with strenghened fuselage structure and lower longerons, and V-shaped arrestor hook.

There's something strange, though: The plane in those photos shows a MkI cockpit frame, not the MkII you'd expect on a Sea Gladiator. Mystery.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually these MK's designations can be quite confusing, but still accurate. We kind of had the same "problem" of making this out on the J8A project.

The Sea Gladiator MKII looks like a mix of a MKI (cockpitframe and blister) and a MKII (prop and engine Mercury VIIIA/AS). All the pics I have seen of Sea Gladiators do have the cockpit frame of the MKI so this should be correct.

The fist batch of Sea Gladiators were planes N-2263 to N-2302 and was actually called "Interim" as they were not fully modyfied to Naval operations. The next batch were planes N-5500 to N-5549, and N-5565 to N-5579, and these were, besides the modifications that the first batch got(strengthened fuselage, adding crossmember between lower longerons and arrestor hook), given catapult spools and a dingy stowage.

The prop was also considered, we have seen 2 and 3 bladed on the Gladiators, 2 on the J8A but mostly 3 on late MKI's and almost all MKII's. For the Sea Gladiator most important was deciding which would give the best takeoff speed.
In these tests the Watts 2-bladed propellor was marginally better than the Fairey Reed 3-blade prop, but by reducing the pitch on the latter, take off performance was increased, comparable to the Watts. Therefor most Sea Gladiators were equipped with the Fairey.
Some pilots however did prefer the 2-bladed and their aiplanes were retrofitted.

The story of the restored (well.... not really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) Sea Gladiator on Malta is somewhat ...diffuse. Although it is far from the condition of the J8A displayed in Malmen Aviation Museim, Link√¬∂ping, Sweden, heavy restoration has been made on it, and they are not sure wheather it is the N-5520 or the N5519, or if it is any of the three famous Gladiators at all. Some say that the displayed aircraft is just a cannibalised ariframe.

No matter, there are so few Gladiators left in the world and only one flying, and it is great to see that there is still an interest on this at the time quite obsolete biplane. I do know that there are plans to add wings to the Malta-Gladiator, wings donated to the Malta Aviation Museum Foundation by the RAF Museum.

Thank you for sharing sparty, I missed out in this when I went to Malta, but as it was a conference there was no time for personal outingshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS Boosher mate.. it is a.. Sea Gladiator MkII, but if you compare it with the "standard MKI and II" it is just the same as with the J8A, looks like a MKI but really performance enginewise of the MKII. However all the Naval additions making it heavy and less streamlined (dingy stowage under the fuselage bewteen lower wings) made it somewhat porked.
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MKI MKII Sea Gladiator
-------------------------------------------------------------

Weight 3216 lb 3444 lb 3553 lb
Top speed sea level 210 mph 215 mph 210 mph
Top speed 5000 ft 226 mph 224 mph 220 mph
Top speed 10000 ft 245 mph 249 mph 245 mph
Top speed 14500 ft 253 mph 257 mph 253 mph
Top speed 17500 ft 250 mph 253 mph 248 mph
Top speed 20000 ft 236 mph 239 mph 230 mph

* source: Gloster Gladiator by Alex Crawford

</pre>

bird_brain
06-21-2005, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
The story goes loosely like this:

Malta was for a time defended against the Luftwaffe by only three biplanes: Gladiators, named Faith, Hope and Charity

Since supply was poor to Malta, planes were scarce. Two versions of the story at this point

1) Crated spare parts were used to cobble together three flyable Gladiators

2) new, crated Gladiators were discoverd in storage on malta, assembled, and valianty used in defense of the island

But, although a fascinating and evocative image, it just didn't happen. No evidence exists to my knowledge, anywhere, that confirms that only three Gladiators named ANYthing, let alone Faith Hope and Charity, were used to defend Malta.
Sorry to burst any bubbles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Great story, and I wish it were true, but it most likely (almost certainly) is a legend or a contemporary rumor that grew during the war and got re-told so many times it is 'fact' now
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are right that they were not called Faith, Hope & Charity at the time. that was the invention af a newspaper reporter later after the Hurricanes had arrived. They did exist however, and their serial numbers, intercept flights, reported kills and losses are documented. There were between 2 and 5 at certain points and they were not "discovered" they were being stored on Malta in a hangar. The squadron leader of the RAF base at Luqa had to ask permission to break them out and use them. Later on after they got shot down or had accidents, they used more of the crated parts to rebuild them.

It may be a Legend, but you can fly it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I did a 10 mission mini campaign that has been finished for a couple of months. Skins, tracks & all. I was going to include it with the Malta Campaign Extreme_one & I were working on, but that is not happening. I might as well pack it up and let everyone have it now. I just have to re-do the epilogue track.

http://jyarbrough.homestead.com/FHC.jpg

JamesBlonde888
06-21-2005, 07:48 PM
From what I have been able to gather F, H & C were actually whichever of the maximum of three servicable a/c available for the defense of Malta at that stage. This is what I read a long time ago in a book by Laddie Lucas (I think).

Therefore I am sure that Chuck is quite correct in his statement that no individual a/c actually bore those names and that they were termed so due to the fact that there was a maximum of three a/c available for the defense.

Waldo.Pepper
06-21-2005, 08:44 PM
NIce pictures. Thank you. Love them.

Here is some info about the Malta Gladiators.

Despite the lack of fighters, measures were taken in hand to provide some sort of fighter defence. HMS Glorious had served briefly in the Mediterranean earlier in the year: on her arrival in Malta eighteen Sea Gladiators (N5518-N5535) were offloaded and stored in crates at Kalafrana. These were to be used as spare aircraft for 802 Squadron, FAA. In April she was recalled to home waters to take part in the Norwegian Campaign. Stopping at Malta on April 12th, she embarked three of the crated Sea Gladiators, N5532, N5533 and N5534.
As there was no other carrier in the Med there was no immediate need for the Sea Gladiators. However, when the refitted HMS Eagle arrived at Alexandria, four Sea Gladiators, N5512, N5513, N5517 and N5567 were supplied to give her some form of fighter protection. Previously, Eagle had not earned any fighters. These aircraft were taken from stocks held in Egypt, and eventually three of the Malta aircraft were delivered to Egypt to replace them.
In March 1940, due to the increased Italian belligerence, it was decided by the local RAF command to form a station Fighter Flight at Hal Far. Volunteers were assembled from pilots already on the island. Two of the pilots from the Hal Far Station Flight, Fit Lt P.G. Keeble and Fly Off WJ. Woods, plus Fly Off P.W. Hartley from 3 Anti-Aircraft Co-operation Unit (a Swordfish floatplane unit based at Kalafrana) were among the first to volunteer. Other pilots who joined at this stage were: Fit Lt G. Burges (who was the AOC's personal aide), Fly Off J. Waters, who had served on board Glorious for a week for fighter pilot training, Fly Off P.B. Alexander and Sgt L.F. Ashburn. Admiral Cunningham gave permission for six of the crated Sea Gladiators to be made available to the Flight, and five aircraft, N5521, N5525, N5527, N5530 and N5533, were assembled. In typical service fashion, a few days later the order was cancelled and the Sea Gladiators were dismantled and returned to their packing cases. This arduous and frustrating work was carried out by a mixed team of Maltese civilians and British servicemen led by Fig Off Collins, previously based as Officer commanding the Repair Station Kalfrana.
However, in early April Malta again was able to beg some form of fighter protection. Permission was given for the Sea Gladiators to be erected a second time and four aircraft, N5519, N5520, N5522 and N5531, were assembled and test flown. A number of local modifications were made to the Sea Gladiators: the arrestor hook and dingy housing were removed and armour plate was fitted to the cockpit bulkhead. Three blade variable pitch propeilers were also fitted. (Later, at least two of the aircraft were fitted with two-bladed Watts propellers, as shown in a photograph).
The six pilots were split into two flights: one operating from sun-up to midday, the other taking over from midday until sun down. If extra patrols were needed then the other flight would help out. Two of the Sea Gladiators were to be used for normal operations, of the other two, one was kept for spares and the other one was the 'reserve' aircraft in case either of the first two became unserviceable. In May, two further Sea Gladiators, N5524 and N5529 were also made available. Other crated aircraft were to be used as a source of spares.
When Italy declared war on Britain and France on the 10 June 1940, the fighter strength in Malta stood at six Sea Gladiators. There were seven pilots who had between them around 80 hours flying experience on the aircraft. Not much to face the battle hardened veterans of the Luftwaffe, but probably enough to tackle the less battle experienced and lighter armed Italian aircrew. With the news of the declaration of war, the Hal Far Fighter Flight was brought to immediate readiness, including the reserve aircraft. They did not have long to wait - the Italians came over early next morning.

F19_Orheim
06-22-2005, 01:50 PM
thanx Waldo, good reading

Heliopause
06-22-2005, 04:00 PM
3 aircraft flew the missions and No.4 was kept for cannabalization.....

stathem
06-22-2005, 05:53 PM
From Fortress Malta, James Holland :

"Harry Kirk, an RAF corporal based at their HQ in Scots Street, saw the Gladiators flying in tight formation and thought they looked rather like the the three silver hearts on a brooch of his mother's. Each heart had a name - Faith,Hope and Charity.

'Look, there go Faith,Hope and Charity,' he told a fellow airman*. The names stuck; soon everyone at HQ was calling them that. It was the start of a myth that endures to this day.
'People got the impression that our aircraft were shooting down enemy planes left, right and centre' says George Burges. 'They did not, but morale was kept high.



*Corporal Harry Kirk, quoted by Roy Nash in 'The Unknown Air Ace', Daily Star, March 1958. This is the only explanation I (Holland) have been able to find for the naming of the Gladiators. Certainly, they had become lore before the year was out"

Good book that. You'd have to make your own minds up about Kirk's story.

Enforcer572005
06-22-2005, 06:29 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifMagnificent posts guys,really great. Malta is one of my favorite subjects. Pity that no sim has modelled it adequately yet, though i saw something of a sim concentrating just on the med being developed. Amazing that nameplate and wheel from the ohio, and the bell from the illustrious...wow. yes, you must return with your best camera and flash, and I suggest in some cases you may want to use bounce flash (pointing it up a bit) to help with the lighting.

what was the ship in the model case? I cant get it to finish coming through on this lousy dial up im stuck with. thanx so much for one of the bests threads in a long time. I love the malta theme stuffhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

OH and BB, you MUST supply us with the malta mini cmpn....you have no option...those in authority have spoken. You are to spend at least 23 hrs a day supplying us with our fix of accurately done, historical cmpns...or else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I hope you get to finish the main malta cmpn someday....I saw the malta mods you made to the online island. man, that alone has potential......hhmmmmm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

bird_brain
06-22-2005, 10:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
OH and BB, you MUST supply us with the malta mini cmpn.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I will finish it up as soon as I get the Cactus Diary one done. 1 more track to go and its finished. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I hope you get to finish the main malta cmpn someday....I saw the malta mods you made to the online island. man, that alone has potential......hhmmmmm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not the online Islands map.... but you will see soon enough. It is all in the FH&C campaign too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Enforcer572005
06-23-2005, 12:29 AM
WOO HOO!! man,there's so much stuff im eagar to see.....and I fully admit that i want to borrow (steal shamelessly) some of your ideas. thanx for all the work man.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

sparty7200
06-23-2005, 02:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifMagnificent posts guys,really great. Malta is one of my favorite subjects. Pity that no sim has modelled it adequately yet, though i saw something of a sim concentrating just on the med being developed. Amazing that nameplate and wheel from the ohio, and the bell from the illustrious...wow. yes, you must return with your best camera and flash, and I suggest in some cases you may want to use bounce flash (pointing it up a bit) to help with the lighting.

what was the ship in the model case? I cant get it to finish coming through on this lousy dial up im stuck with. thanx so much for one of the bests threads in a long time. I love the malta theme stuffhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

OH and BB, you MUST supply us with the malta mini cmpn....you have no option...those in authority have spoken. You are to spend at least 23 hrs a day supplying us with our fix of accurately done, historical cmpns...or else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I hope you get to finish the main malta cmpn someday....I saw the malta mods you made to the online island. man, that alone has potential......hhmmmmm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad you all enjoy this thread..the ship model is the "Ohio" as she was just before she sailed on the Pedestal convoy which is known here in malta as the Santa Maria convoy because she was brought into Grand Harbour on the feast day of Santa Maria.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/sparty72/m11011.jpg

Not long after i arrived here my wife (she's maltese) knowing of my interest in ww2 and related stuff took me to valletta to see a re-enactment of the sailing onto Grand Harbour of the Ohio..the show went on for two hours as it explained the start of the war and the first raids by the Italians and then onto the German involvment up to "Pedestal" and after to the invasion of sicily where the invasion was co-ordinated from the "Malta War Rooms" which have been restored and is a walk thru exhibit, anyway.. the sound of the stuka's screaming over Grand Harbour..large fireworks "petards" representing flak (beleive me..they LOVE their fireworks here) and the sound of explosions, M/g's and planes dogfighting over the skies of valletta was really emotional stuff and to finish it off in came a small tanker with 2 AFM maritime patrol boats either side representing the 2 destroyers that guided the stricken tanker in. The day just left me in awe of the sacrifices, good and bad on both sides, these people were prepared to make. hope this helps some..it is correct as far as i know..!!
sparty.

starbender
06-23-2005, 03:06 AM
Thanks for very cool pics.

Been trying to cook up a FMB version of Operation Pedestal, with historic amounts of shipping and A/C it gets a bit...slow.

My Grandfather was on HMS Foresight and told me the story of when it was torpedoed. He hated going below decks after he'd seen ships sunk in under a minute.

Capt.England
06-23-2005, 10:46 AM
Looks like Waldo beat me to it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Once I have my scanner set up again I will post some pictures from my Malta book. I am a bit busy at the moment doing up the house so may be the weekend before I get the chance to post again.

Waldo.Pepper
06-23-2005, 01:46 PM
I neglected a reference for the post I made earlier. It is from page 60-62? (ish I think) of this fine book.


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