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kittycat77
02-04-2004, 10:35 PM
Hi again guys! I was wondering if anyone knows a good and reliable was of doing a "deadstick" landing in a 109, i just cant, 9 times out of 10 the landing gear snaps due to the plane either stalling or going too fast! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

P.S I CAN however land a 109 under power everytime just fine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

kittycat77
02-04-2004, 10:35 PM
Hi again guys! I was wondering if anyone knows a good and reliable was of doing a "deadstick" landing in a 109, i just cant, 9 times out of 10 the landing gear snaps due to the plane either stalling or going too fast! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

P.S I CAN however land a 109 under power everytime just fine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cajun76
02-05-2004, 03:03 AM
On a runway? Pit on or off? External on or off? You can use these as tools to help you learn the proper procedure. This scenario should help in any situation, though.

Keep your speed up, at least 350 or so. Speed is a resource that you cant replace with anything but loss of altitude. Approach the ground with the necesary angle to maintain your speed. About 400m you can drop combat flaps, and rotate your nose up just a bit. It's a timing thing, but deploy the rest of your flaps and gear at about 100m and less than 350kph. This next is important, as it involves the 'feel'. Fly Level, nose level just above the ground (10-15m). As you lose airspeed the plane will sink, pull back slightly and allow a slow descent. Stay gentle, and allow her to touch down. Be prepared for at least one bounce, so have enough airspeed to still fly and control her when you touch the first time. If I could post a track, I would. I've deadsticked Thunderbolts, and with the 109s narrow, stiff and fragile gear I'd rather do it in a Jug. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Werre_
02-05-2004, 03:31 AM
When in doubt, just leave the gear up. Full flap belly landings are easy in 109.

ELEM
02-05-2004, 04:40 AM
The same applies to a deadstick landing as to a power on, for any a/c. Use flaps as appropriate and maintain approach airspeed to 180-200 kmph (varies with a/c type) until the flair out.

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LeadSpitter_
02-05-2004, 05:21 AM
I liked janes wwii fighters the best for belly landings, you can come in on a slow approach and out of fuel the lightest 100kmph landing and explodes into a million pieces, dont matter anyways if your prop is struct or engine damaged you wont get full points, you get more bailing out then a belly landing

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VW-IceFire
02-05-2004, 08:12 AM
The 109 unlike the 190 should loose speed fairly quickly so keep the speed up till you are over the runway (or road or whatever is good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) and then once your there drop the gear and flaps slowly but try and keep forward momentum up as well as your sink. Shouldn't be too hard because that prop is generating alot of drag...but you should set her down fairly nicely (for a dead stick landing). Any landing where your plane doesn't come apart under these conditions is a good one! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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kittycat77
02-06-2004, 09:30 AM
Thanks guys for all your help, i'll give all these a try! cheers!
Bump!

michapma
02-06-2004, 12:31 PM
To deadstick it I don't do much different. Gear down, flaps full out, just a steeper approach. I come in high but approach at normal speed, 180-200kph. The flare is much trickier of course, you have to time carefully and apply the right amount of stick, but with the generous runways we have it works fine.

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