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shahram177
04-03-2007, 07:25 AM
Ok here is a difficult question.
So last night I'm flying on the 4.08 Jets server and I'm doing ok, not huge burning flames from my engines nor am I a total ace. Any how I'm chasing some one back over to their side of the map when all of a sudden at about 3km from his base I see SAMs heading towards me....I kid you not SAMs! So I do the best that I can but still get a bit of damage. Now here is the gig, those dam flying blenders have been turned into sam sights by some and they are racking up some dam impressive kill numbers. My question is this, if I go after them when they are on the ground launching missiles at me is it considered vulching? Or is it no different than going after AAA?

shahram177
04-03-2007, 07:25 AM
Ok here is a difficult question.
So last night I'm flying on the 4.08 Jets server and I'm doing ok, not huge burning flames from my engines nor am I a total ace. Any how I'm chasing some one back over to their side of the map when all of a sudden at about 3km from his base I see SAMs heading towards me....I kid you not SAMs! So I do the best that I can but still get a bit of damage. Now here is the gig, those dam flying blenders have been turned into sam sights by some and they are racking up some dam impressive kill numbers. My question is this, if I go after them when they are on the ground launching missiles at me is it considered vulching? Or is it no different than going after AAA?

mrsiCkstar
04-03-2007, 07:37 AM
kill them all...

MEGILE
04-03-2007, 07:39 AM
God told me to vulch them

WWSpinDry
04-03-2007, 07:49 AM
To paraphrase the tagline of one of the mods around here:

There's no such thing as vulching; it's called strafing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Daiichidoku
04-03-2007, 08:07 AM
i sympathize

while i feel sure, if they wont fly to attack, why should you not attack them as they are?

however....do the rules state they cannot operate as SAM sites?


in any event, easiest way to cure this problem for you is to STAY AWAY FROM THE ENEMY BASE

go get a challenging target, not some poor joe taking off or landing

shahram177
04-03-2007, 09:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
i sympathize

while i feel sure, if they wont fly to attack, why should you not attack them as they are?

however....do the rules state they cannot operate as SAM sites?


in any event, easiest way to cure this problem for you is to STAY AWAY FROM THE ENEMY BASE

go get a challenging target, not some poor joe taking off or landing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yah tough call.
The rules on the server said nothing about sam sights and as for keeping my distance....oddly enough these sams were very accurate. A little too accurate if you ask me....either a new hack or maybe I'm just not very good with guiding rockets. Either way it was a bit of a buzz kill because you would get strafed and as you chased the guy back the sams would pop up.

PFflyer
04-03-2007, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

in any event, easiest way to cure this problem for you is to STAY AWAY FROM THE ENEMY BASE

go get a challenging target, not some poor joe taking off or landing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh, obviously the airbase is a challengine target.

And tell that to Chuck Yeager who got his "jet kill" shooting an Me-262 that was landing.

Only panzies, and only servers for panzies whine about attacks on airbases. Airbases were and are a primary target in any war or conflict. Only in "Panzy Sissy Little Girl World Server", that most of you fly in, is war changed into something it never was in reality.

So if your base is being attacked, defend it, if you get shot down while attacking a target, you need to change your tactics, right after you shut the *&&*( up!

AKA_TAGERT
04-03-2007, 09:54 AM
Make the bad man stop..

The voices.. Ahhhh the voices.. All night long they chant...

VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH VULCH

Like counting sheep

p-11.cAce
04-03-2007, 09:58 AM
Vulch'em all - and there are a growing number of x-4 specialists out there, I doubt there is any hackery going on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Viper2005_
04-03-2007, 10:09 AM
Take one Ar234.

Add one SC1000.

Level bomb from beyond the range of surface launched X-4s.

Chuckle.

Bearcat99
04-03-2007, 10:42 AM
Vulching is IMO a legitimate tactic that forces cooperation on DF servers... to some extent anyway...

LStarosta
04-03-2007, 10:49 AM
86 of the last 100 kills I made were when damaged aircraft were on final.

p-11.cAce
04-03-2007, 11:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

WWSpinDry
04-03-2007, 11:17 AM
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever killed an aircraft that had its wheels up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

shahram177
04-03-2007, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Vulch'em all - and there are a growing number of x-4 specialists out there, I doubt there is any hackery going on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yah tell me about it! About 4km out i got hit and hit hard!
For the life of me i can't controll those dam
X-4s!

WWSpinDry
04-03-2007, 11:56 AM
Using X-4s as SAMs actually sounds like an ingenious way to employ them. I have to commend people for being creative.

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-03-2007, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
Using X-4s as SAMs actually sounds like an ingenious way to employ them. I have to commend people for being creative. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, ingenious...and all the more reason to kill them where they stand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

WWSpinDry
04-03-2007, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
...and all the more reason to kill them where they stand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, absodamnlutely. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

shahram177
04-03-2007, 01:10 PM
How good are you guys with these darn X-4's?
Is it just me being an old fuddy duddy who can't control those dam things to save his life or are they just that difficult to aim....?

LStarosta
04-03-2007, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shahram177:
How good are you guys with these darn X-4's?
Is it just me being an old fuddy duddy who can't control those dam things to save his life or are they just that difficult to aim....? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X4 on a slider.

shahram177
04-03-2007, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
X4 on a slider. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slider...? hu what?

WWSpinDry
04-03-2007, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
X4 on a slider. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.spinland.biz/smileys/hysterical.gif

shahram177
04-03-2007, 03:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
X4 on a slider. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.spinland.biz/smileys/hysterical.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok dude that was just mean....
Do you mean a second stick?

Swivet
04-03-2007, 04:04 PM
anything that is trying to shoot me down, wether it be stationary or flying will be shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WWSpinDry
04-03-2007, 04:09 PM
Sorry; it's a call back to the whole "trim on a slider is cheating" furor. Struck me as funny.

ElAurens
04-03-2007, 04:45 PM
Kill them all. And then kill them again.

shahram177
04-04-2007, 08:05 AM
Roger will do.
The next time i see one of these dam Blender SAM sights I'll take them out as best i can.
And I'm labled a Vulcher then so be it!

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 08:28 AM
Keep the missile off your wingtip to force the most vector change possible, if it gets close cut in quickly and try to duck under it to increase the miss distance. Once it goes past you, dive in and blast the SOB who fired it. http://www.spinland.biz/smileys/assassin.gif

AKA_TAGERT
04-04-2007, 08:49 AM
On that note..

HH has a all jet server.. I forget the name ot if.. but it has 'Jets' in the title..

I go in there from time to time to fly my P80.. There were two guys on there the other night.. 'Lone Ranger' and 'arr' those two guys in Ta-183s sitting on the run way acting as SAMs where kicking some but wtih those X4s! I was on the six of this one guy when all of a sudden from the side a X4 took that guy out!

WOW!

I was glad I was on their side! After that I sat there and watched those two guys.. It was amazing! I tired it a few times but was no where as good as they were.. but.. it was fun as heck! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rnzoli
04-04-2007, 10:55 AM
Take them out, anti-vulching rules stem from protecting defenseless airplanes on the ground, unable to aim their guns at the attackers, and unable to evade them.

Perhaps the most elegant way is to take them out with X-4s. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

The second most elegant way is to take them out with accurate level bombing.

I would also try dive bombing, but diving from 5000m to 3000m and releasing the bombs in a perfect vertical dive.

shahram177
04-04-2007, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
On that note..

HH has a all jet server.. I forget the name ot if.. but it has 'Jets' in the title..

I go in there from time to time to fly my P80.. There were two guys on there the other night.. 'Lone Ranger' and 'arr' those two guys in Ta-183s sitting on the run way acting as SAMs where kicking some but wtih those X4s! I was on the six of this one guy when all of a sudden from the side a X4 took that guy out!

WOW!

I was glad I was on their side! After that I sat there and watched those two guys.. It was amazing! I tired it a few times but was no where as good as they were.. but.. it was fun as heck! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dude that was me!
Those SOBs beat the piss out of me!
And I tried it once or twice but i just suck at using the X-4's. I just can't seem to be able to guide them in. I guess it's judging the distance thing...

LStarosta
04-04-2007, 11:06 AM
Actually, ROSS_Youss released a script that guides X-4's based on the coordinates of planes recorded in the sturmovik log.

shahram177
04-04-2007, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Actually, ROSS_Youss released a script that guides X-4's based on the coordinates of planes recorded in the sturmovik log. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Say what!
Guided X4's!
Oh no they didn't!
That would explain how they were so dam accurate!

rnzoli
04-04-2007, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That would explain how they were so dam accurate! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The word "WOULD" has a special significance in here... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 12:20 PM
I must admit I'm a little creeped out by the idea someone can enter a server and use some external software to guide missiles to hit other aircraft. Is that what's being said here, or am I missing something?

Da_Godfatha
04-04-2007, 01:05 PM
This reminds me of the losers who use 5 inch rockets like sidewinders. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif And then say " I have skillz and you don't". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

This makes the game more arcade like every time. No matter how hard you try to make a server accurate and challenging.... some fooker comes along and ruins it.

BTW SpinDry..... alot of rumors have been floating around about th IL2 log and scripts. The game is what 4 years old?

Cossack13
04-04-2007, 01:15 PM
I really hate it when folks vulch...in an online war, that is, since it mainly just sticks it to another player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it happened in real life but that was to deny the enemy a functional plane and/or pilot. In an online war, it's just point whoring.

Dogfight servers are another matter entirely! They are the epitome of the free-for-all environment. Although I do think the guys who loiter over poorly defended airfields and rack up kills by bouncing on guys as they spawn in are the ultimate examples of Sissy Marys.

To the given example, if you are on the ground and engaging a target, be it from an MG turret or guiding a missile, then you are a 100% legitimate target. Blast 'em!

Dagnabit
04-04-2007, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever killed an aircraft that had its wheels up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT!!!! The wheels go up??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

shahram177
04-04-2007, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
I must admit I'm a little creeped out by the idea someone can enter a server and use some external software to guide missiles to hit other aircraft. Is that what's being said here, or am I missing something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Roger that mate.
There exists a script that turns our dumb X4's into PHD X4's.
And since it's utilizing the games info its deadly accurate unlike say radar guided rockets.
Nice? I don't think so.

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shahram177:
There exists a script that turns our dumb X4's into PHD X4's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If this is true, maybe it's just me but I don't see any difference between using such a thing and flying a hacked FM/DM or a hack that helps your bullets hit a target. It's a cheat, pure and simple, and if it can't be caught by the server (and the offender booted) I see it as a reason to ban anything that uses X-4s from online play.

Can anyone think of a reason such a thing could be even remotely legitimate?

Arakidias
04-04-2007, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shahram177:
There exists a script that turns our dumb X4's into PHD X4's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can anyone think of a reason such a thing could be even remotely legitimate? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Didn't you know that all german pilots were übermensch and could direct an X4 missile with their small toe whilst shagging Helga in the cockpit...

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arakidias:
Didn't you know that all german pilots were übermensch and could direct an X4 missile with their small toe whilst shagging Helga in the cockpit... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh; in that case, party on! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

AKA_TAGERT
04-04-2007, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Actually, ROSS_Youss released a script that guides X-4's based on the coordinates of planes recorded in the sturmovik log. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Man you snagged alot of fish with that hook!

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
Man you snagged alot of fish with that hook! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nothing to be particularly proud of. I've continued to use the caveat: if true. On the other hand, if you know something that others seem not to, now would be the time to share it, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

gdfo
04-04-2007, 02:21 PM
vulching is shooting or bombing enemy ac as they take off from thier own base.

Lurking or Perching is similar as much as it is flying in a location close to the enemy base and intercepting players coming in and climbing out.

Taking out enemy defences is not vulching. I know that may seem like a small technicality but I think most hosting servers would agree.

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 02:23 PM
Okay, a little Googling for this ROSS_Youss character turned up this bit of history on the Great Hacking Conspiracy:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8321002954/p/1

Ten typical fun-filled pages of claims, counter-claims and insults--in other words, a standard thread at the Zoo. Linked here for the benefit of those of us who didn't have the proper context and/or had never heard of this Youss person.

rnzoli
04-04-2007, 03:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shahram177:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
I must admit I'm a little creeped out by the idea someone can enter a server and use some external software to guide missiles to hit other aircraft. Is that what's being said here, or am I missing something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Roger that mate.
There exists a script that turns our dumb X4's into PHD X4's.
And since it's utilizing the games info its deadly accurate unlike say radar guided rockets.
Nice? I don't think so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have a proof that such script exists?

LStarosta
04-04-2007, 03:18 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 04:05 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

http://www.spinland.biz/images/hooked.gif

Ishmael_Herman
04-04-2007, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">To paraphrase the tagline of one of the mods around here: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd swear that's something I used to say.

ISHMAEL

Ishmael_Herman
04-04-2007, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There's no such thing as vulching; it's called strafing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd swear that's something I used to say.

(ahem...quoted the wrong bit)

Treetop64
04-04-2007, 08:27 PM
"Warranted Vulching?"...

...is an oxymoron.

AVG_WarHawk
04-04-2007, 09:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Actually, ROSS_Youss released a script that guides X-4's based on the coordinates of planes recorded in the sturmovik log. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fish On! LStarosta http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/AVG_WarHawk/hook_line__sinker1.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/AVG_WarHawk/Self20Portrait20as20Liar.jpg

WWSpinDry
04-05-2007, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ishmael_Herman:
I'd swear that's something I used to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just had my memory refreshed yesterday; it's klepped from the sig file of a SimHQ mod. From my perspective, the best time to kill an aircraft is when they can't do you any harm in return. It's not about knights jousting in a fair duel, it's about killing the enemy in the most efficient manner available to you. A couple of 250s do the job nicely, and can get several of 'em if they're lined up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

AKA_TAGERT
04-05-2007, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
DOOOD!

shahram177 was on the Jet server last night preaching about how the X4 should not be allowed because there is some hack that allows it to auto track!

ROTFL!

WWSpinDry
04-05-2007, 08:43 AM
You're such baaaaaad boys. http://www.spinland.biz/smileys/nono.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

rnzoli
04-05-2007, 10:07 AM
From another thread:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
I barely ever fly anymore, but I post here because it's fun to annoy knewbs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr. Starosta is doing remarkably well apparently http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyhow, in the past 2 days we tracked his IP address, contacted his ISP, got his real address, which we happily gave to ROSS_Youss.

Considering the service he provided to the community with his il2compare (http://(http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/4961022724)) tool, I think a straight punch into Mr. Starosta's nose is fully warranted for giving Youss a bad reputation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif in front of all these fishies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

LStarosta
04-05-2007, 10:19 AM
Have fun hacking a government network. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Don't let the gate guards stop ya on the way in. Their M-16's only have blanks. I swear to God. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

BTW, knewbie, do you remember that little thing ROSS_Youss was allegedly involved with using il2's log? You know, that one thing that let people know where a bomber is on a map every time they switched cockpit positions? Yeah...

If Youss really has his feelings hurt, maybe some ball-growing needs to ensue. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Feathered_IV
04-05-2007, 06:17 PM
The Lerche could only be an effective SAM site if its on a server that allows externals and padlock. Otherwise the view is too limited.

Best thing to do is find a server with all the boxes ticked and leave them to rot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

ROSS_Youss
04-09-2007, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Actually, ROSS_Youss released a script that guides X-4's based on the coordinates of planes recorded in the sturmovik log. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

stop drugs! you are bugged!

LStarosta
04-09-2007, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Actually, ROSS_Youss released a script that guides X-4's based on the coordinates of planes recorded in the sturmovik log. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

stop drugs! you are bugged! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hahaha could you make one for me though? Pleeaaase?

waffen-79
04-09-2007, 06:18 PM
kill'em all

Metallica rules!

hendrix1998
04-12-2007, 05:02 PM
Hate vulchers with guns bombs ok same as rockets.

i always let aircraft get the gear up and flaps up and wait 10 seconds after they take off

Whirlin_merlin
04-12-2007, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hendrix1998:


i always let aircraft get the gear up and flaps up and wait 10 seconds after they take off </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why how kind of you.

Rood-Zwart
04-12-2007, 07:26 PM
Bomb and rockets are ok I think. But guns on grounded planes is a bit lame IMO.

X4 as SAM's is a great idea! Maybe a nice idea for missionbuilders? Lerche with X4 but no fuel, to simulate the early ground-to-air missles the Germans were working on?

LStarosta
04-12-2007, 07:55 PM
If anything, hitting a plane with guns is harder than with a bomb or rockets. If you don't like getting strafed, switch bases. lol

hendrix1998
04-13-2007, 06:48 AM
You can't forget Dogfighting is a gentlemans war :-). but when you get vulched with Guns it's annoying espically from fighters and when people B & Z you.

WWSpinDry
04-13-2007, 07:04 AM
Heh. There's nothing gentlemanly about trying like Hell to kill each other.

Don't forget, here, there are two drastically different schools of thought in online play. In one, people are up for pitting their "dogfighting" skills against each other in virtual aerial jousting matches. In this school of thought, concepts like "fair fights" and "honor" and all that certainly can come into play. For such people the concept of "vulching" can have meaning.

In the other school of thought, held by people who don't generally fly on "dogfight" servers at all unless they're in a group with a purpose in mind, the idea is to simulate warfare. Aircraft types and numbers are usually limited in these servers, so every aircraft you can take out of the fight means one that won't be coming back, at least once they run out of them. Strafing or otherwise engaging aircraft still on the ground is the most efficient way of taking them out of the fight while minimizing your own risk, and is the absolute best way to do the job. Failing that, you attack when you have clear superiority in position or numbers (or both). The idea of a "fair fight" is unthinkable: you never give the enemy a chance to hurt you back if you can help it. Doing so would be nearly tantamount to treason in real warfare, and is simply not smart fighting in the gamed version.

I, of course, am in the second school of thought. Endless circle-jerks of dogfighting jousters would bore Hell out of me, and my favorite pastime in the game is making things on the ground go boom. As I've said before: there is no such thing as "vulching." It's called "strafing." It's fun.

There is plenty of room in Hyperlobby for both schools of thought, and despite my dismissive "circle jerk" comment I don't really mean to disparage anyone for what flicks their Bic. Just don't get all preachy at me if you're on a server I like and I blow you out of your cockpit before you even get your engine warmed up. I'm just doing my job. If you want payback, stalk me and bounce when I'm down low strafing your buddies and am helpless to fend off your attack. I'll salute you for doing a good job of kicking my sorry a$$ when I wasn't watching my six.

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shahram177
04-13-2007, 12:43 PM
So has any one figured out of these dam X-4's are guided or not?
Few a few times the other night and i swear they got me 80% of the time and dam were they accurate and hard to shake off!

WWSpinDry
04-13-2007, 12:49 PM
From the aircraft guide documentation on the Lerche:
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"¢ The X-4 air-to-air rocket is wire guided. All rocket-carrying aircraft have a single rocket control module, and as such can guide only one rocket at a time. When launching multiple rockets simultaneously, only the last rocket fired can be guided.

"¢ To guide the rocket, use the "Increase Sight Attitude"¯, "Decrease Sight Attitude"¯, "Adjust Sight Control to Right"¯ and "Adjust Sight Control to Left"¯ keys. We recommend assigning them to the Up, Down, Right, and Left arrow keys correspondingly.

"¢ The easiest way to guide the rocket to target is to fire from the target's six-o-clock level while flying on the same course. Guide the rocket to keep the lights on top of the target with no visible lateral movement until the moment of impact. Use gentle taps to provide last-minute guidance. The rockets detonate remotely, so no direct impact is required.

"¢ This method should be used to attack non-maneuvering heavy bombers from 3,000 to 3,500 meters away.

"¢ NOTE: The guiding wire is not visually modeled.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

shahram177
04-13-2007, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
From the aircraft guide documentation on the Lerche:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
"¢ The X-4 air-to-air rocket is wire guided. All rocket-carrying aircraft have a single rocket control module, and as such can guide only one rocket at a time. When launching multiple rockets simultaneously, only the last rocket fired can be guided.

"¢ To guide the rocket, use the "Increase Sight Attitude"¯, "Decrease Sight Attitude"¯, "Adjust Sight Control to Right"¯ and "Adjust Sight Control to Left"¯ keys. We recommend assigning them to the Up, Down, Right, and Left arrow keys correspondingly.

"¢ The easiest way to guide the rocket to target is to fire from the target's six-o-clock level while flying on the same course. Guide the rocket to keep the lights on top of the target with no visible lateral movement until the moment of impact. Use gentle taps to provide last-minute guidance. The rockets detonate remotely, so no direct impact is required.

"¢ This method should be used to attack non-maneuvering heavy bombers from 3,000 to 3,500 meters away.

"¢ NOTE: The guiding wire is not visually modeled.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No mate these guys were spot on and half the time the rockets would detonate about 2-3m from my plane and rip my wings or kill me.
These things were very much guided!
Now if these guys are this good then more power to them but if they are using a cheat then....well i'll do my bet to take them out on the ground.

LStarosta
04-13-2007, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shahram177:
but if they are using a cheat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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DKoor
04-13-2007, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
God told me to vulch them </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

shahram177
04-13-2007, 02:12 PM
well i guess that answered the question didn't it. The SAM sights are free game.