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Sultan_of_Swing
06-11-2004, 07:11 AM
I just want to encourage more server ops to leave certain planes, that shall remain nameless, (and wild horses couldn't drag "KI-84c" from my lips) from their servers. Jets too.

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Sultan_of_Swing
06-11-2004, 07:11 AM
I just want to encourage more server ops to leave certain planes, that shall remain nameless, (and wild horses couldn't drag "KI-84c" from my lips) from their servers. Jets too.

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Dem4n
06-11-2004, 07:18 AM
Looks like another (wiener) whiner.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Sultan_of_Swing
06-11-2004, 07:24 AM
no, not whinin. IMO they throw the balance of the game off. I ust want to thank those few server ops who keep them out.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
06-11-2004, 07:46 AM
There's a time and place for everything...just like in RL. If it's a DF server and a late-war planeset, then they might fit in ok. Also, if the historic scenario calls for their presence and the other planes they're facing were actually encountered, then fine there too.

If it's just air-quake or a free-for-all with no real objective other than kill or be killed, then who cares? I really don't. In fact, I'd welcome the opportunity to fly some of the birds that I normally don't get to fly.

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Tooz_69GIAP
06-11-2004, 07:47 AM
I don't understand how they can throw servers off!!?? The Me 262 was flying in combat from mid-late 1944 against P-51s, P-47s, Spits, etc, etc. The Ki-84 was flying from around the same period I assume (my knowledge of japanese planes is limited), and was fighting against the same types of aircraft, as well as bear cats and the like, I believe.

They existed, they were flown, they are in the game, use em. The only time they would "throw the game out of balance" would be if the server you were in was a designated 1943 plane set server, and a 1944 or 1945 aircraft was present, or the server is running a particular theatre, and the wrong aircraft are present (i.e. aircraft that weren't in the theatre).

Otherwise, learn to beat the aircraft that are in the air, instead of campaigning for them to be "banned". And of course, there is always the option of not flying in servers where these aircraft are present.

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-11-2004, 08:21 AM
Hi,

I agree, Tooz. These planes actually flew and just because they are not so easy to down with a P-XX then there is an immediate call to ban them.

So, the DM of the Ki84 might be a little suspect but so was the DM of the P38 pre v2.01; I didn't see that banned all over the place.

Besides, the 262 is a handful to fly, before even thinking about hitting something with (especially fighters) when it's bouncing around with the mk108 recoil; it is suspectible on take off and landing and requires only a minute spray of .50s (or anything else for that matter) to set those vunerable engines alight.

In that respect, the 262 pilots have the hardest time of it.

Providing that they are used in the correct historical 'epoch' then I don't see a problem with it at all.

Cheers,
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Capt._Tenneal
06-11-2004, 08:49 AM
I wonder why the list of "thug planes" shall remain nameless ? Could it be that it only has certain Russian, German or Japanese planes on it and not any US or UK ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sultan_of_Swing
06-11-2004, 09:12 AM
Thanks guys, I appreciate the responses. You got me thinking.

I didn't want to list the "thug planes" to avoid the inevitable flaming that would follow. Yes, there are some allied planes on that list.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for throwing the servers off, what I mean is that there seems to be an inordinate number of that KI-84c's in the air. I was in a DF server yesterday and of the 6 axis pilots in there, 5 were in the KI-84c. I agree with that sentiment about learning to beat whatever plane is put up on a server. I just prefer to fly against something other than KI-84c's 24/7. Heck, I've had my butt kicked big time K-4's and G6-AS jocks, and I say bring em on. I respect those guys cause those birds take skill. The KI seems to attract that element that looks for the score, the easy kill.

I have reconsidered my thoughts on jets based on this comment:

"Besides, the 262 is a handful to fly, before even thinking about hitting something with (especially fighters) when it's bouncing around with the mk108 recoil; it is suspectible on take off and landing and requires only a minute spray of .50s (or anything else for that matter) to set those vunerable engines alight. "

I agree, just hate chasing them, and really prefer the props. The thing with jets is you will see maybe one or two. Maybe. But the KI-84c is like the snakefish of IL2 FB, just see them everywhere. And yeah, I do think the FM/DM seems sketchy.

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-11-2004, 09:13 AM
Hi,

"Could it be that it only has certain Russian, German or Japanese planes on it and not any US or UK ?"

Correctamundo. But surely you're not suggesting that there is any bias in these English speaking forums ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-11-2004, 09:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sultan_of_Swing:
Thanks guys, I appreciate the responses. You got me thinking.

I didn't want to list the "thug planes" to avoid the inevitable flaming that would follow. Yes, there are some allied planes on that list.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for throwing the servers off, what I mean is that there seems to be an inordinate number of that KI-84c's in the air. I was in a DF server yesterday and of the 6 axis pilots in there, 5 were in the KI-84c. I agree with that sentiment about learning to beat whatever plane is put up on a server. I just prefer to fly against something other than KI-84c's 24/7. Heck, I've had my butt kicked big time K-4's and G6-AS jocks, and I say bring em on. I respect those guys cause those birds take skill. The KI seems to attract that element that looks for the score, the easy kill.

I have reconsidered my thoughts on jets based on this comment:

"Besides, the 262 is a handful to fly, before even thinking about hitting something with (especially fighters) when it's bouncing around with the mk108 recoil; it is suspectible on take off and landing and requires only a minute spray of .50s (or anything else for that matter) to set those vunerable engines alight. "

I agree, just hate chasing them, and really prefer the props. The thing with jets is you will see maybe one or two. Maybe. But the KI-84c is like the snakefish of IL2 FB, just see them everywhere. And yeah, I do think the FM/DM seems sketchy.

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Hi,

I know what you mean but it invariably works both ways. Before AEP, it seemed that there was a fair balance between red and blue forces but AEP changed that and it seemed that a lot of people suddenly wanted to fly red; after all, a lot of people fly for fun and they want to shoot things down so it is arguably preferable to fly red for AEP because of the gun strengths.

Post v2.01, I see a lot more Spitfire IXs in use when compared to P51s etc on the red teams. Why? Probably because of a relatively similar performance but they have those strong cannons; again, people want to shoot things down.

Interestingly, there also seems to have been a shift back to blue as a lot of servers are not so mismatched as they were pre v2.01; again, LW gun strength is increased.

I agree on the Ki84C front because if they are available on a pacific map then you won't find many people flying the A6M. On the other side of that argument, why should those flying Axis expose themselves to permanent BNZ runs by P51s when in the A6M?

It's a difficult subject because, if those planes existed for the year that the server is recreating, then there is no good reason why they should not be available for people to fly unless there is something absolutely fundamentally wrong with the FM/DM etc; and, as you can see from the never ending discussions, just about every plane has something wrong with the FM/DM etc.

I suppose it's down to the server admin and your own personal choice; I wouldn't avoid a server because it had Ki84s and A6Ms on one side and P51s and P63s on the other but I certainly would avoid that server if it retained the P51, P63 but pitched them against the A6M only.

Cheers,
Norris

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LilHorse
06-11-2004, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
The Ki-84 was flying from around the same period I assume (my knowledge of japanese planes is limited), and was fighting against the same types of aircraft, as well as bear cats and the like, I believe.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope. No Bearcats saw combat. They were too late.

As for the use of such planes I think that it should not only be period correct but theater correct as well. If you set up a late war Pacific scenario then fine, include the Ki-84. And have them going up against P-51s, P-47s and P-38s. But it makes me crazy to see Ki-84s sharing the same airfield as Bf-109Ks. Especially in a FR server. It just makes for more types to have to ID so you don't end up shooting at "friendly" aircraft. And most importantly, it just isn't realistic.

Hawgdog
06-11-2004, 09:39 AM
Yeah, those babies that think the 84-C is too uber leave the 109Z in........pfffffffffft

I would much, much rather see map\year specific, not historic but EVEN in years, if you love a 40-42 plane you will be outdone by comparable pilot in 44-45 plane. Period.

WOLFMondo
06-11-2004, 10:58 AM
I don't see a problem with the KI84C, it saw combat and the guns are no more ridiculous than the mk108's which really were bad a@@ guns. Planes like the 109Z are a different matter as no one knows how it would have flown, its only hypothetical.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Otherwise, learn to beat the aircraft that are in the air, instead of campaigning for them to be "banned". And of course, there is always the option of not flying in servers where these aircraft are present.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

100% agreed there, all planes have strengths and weakness's that can be found, used and taken advantage off.

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Ki_Rin
06-13-2004, 11:06 AM
I would perfer to see more servers with historical time/theartre planesets, but thats besides the point...

in an "open" df server, it's often so hypocritical...they have noobish (or "thug") planes all about...and it seems to me SO many ppl fly them...hey, thats up to them, but to me, it doesnt reflect well on them, so many flying so often without fail, the kind of planes that could make an 8 yr old with MS an ace..yes, the 109KS, Zs, La7s, and Ki84Cs...(tho, the 84 can be a handful to fly, admittedly)..sure, in RL, where it really meant life or death, one would want the tuffest, fastest, best of the best...but I find flying a LA7 is NO fun here, I might as well fly "hellcat ace" on a commodore 64...but again, if they wanna be pussies, fine...

My problem is, that so many cry about jets...and ususally its the ppl who always fly the La7s, ki84Cs, 109Ks, etc...for one, all the jets in the game flew, (except the 50mm 262, dunno bout that one) even if a few times, and most fired theior guns in anger and even gained victories.....meanwhile, **** like the 109Z is floatin around, (sheit floats, dont cha know) and its twice removed from reality....the real one that never flew was two F's put together, and the one in FB was a G, and that wasnt even built!...

But the thing about jets is, they'r eNOT uber, and I dunno why the ppl who whine about jets dont realize this...yes, they can be very hard to kill, if flown by a good pilot, they should rule the engagement...but on the other hand, as long as one has good situ awareness, keeps their eyes open, its SO easy to keep from being a jets victim!...maybe cuz they dont like that they would have to WORK something in their heads, instead of take it easy in a ufo type no sweat no skill superbird, like the aforementioned prop jobs...hell, Ill take on a few jets anyday over an overmodeled La7, or totally fake 109Z...

The other reason I hate seeing certain planes, the Ki84 C, but mot the B or A, or the 109Z, is the bloody guns and the flash, and any ground explosions from the same....makes so much lag...and sometimes, some cheap-*** players shoot the ground cuz they know it will make lag, as you chase them...a-holes...that ALONE should have them banned, at least until the flash issue get resolved, if it ever does...really, any of the mk108 type cannoned planes shuld be banned...I have heard some say "ohhh but the 262 uses 4X mk108 too, just liek ki 84C..." sure, but howe often does a 262 pilot fire those guns, and for how long, compared to any ki84C?...

yea, funny how there no "uber" u sfo rbrit planes, eh tenneal?...

OT, Id just like to add that I dont understand all the fuss about "luftwhiners" and "ameriwhiners", et al...I like all warbirds, I wanna see ALL of them get as accurate FM/DMs as possible, who cares what side it was on?

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LubricatedGoat
06-13-2004, 11:41 AM
In a way, I get what you're talking about. One of the things that bugged me about playing CFS3 online was the Spitfire--seemed EVERYBODY and their grandmother flew it. And the thing was so overmodelled it pretty much outclassed everything else in the game. (For some unknown reason, it could dive as well as the Jug and even keep up in the zoom climb! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif)

But FB, to me at least, seems extremely well-balanced by comparison. And there are just so many planes that I can't imagine ANYONE sticks with just one! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

As for the Ki-84--I rarely fly it, but I fly the A6M2 & 5 all the time. It's my favorite for dogfighting. (I love it's strengths as well as weaknesses--it's pretty cool when the screen goes suddenly black when one of those .50 caliber machine guns punch right through the canopy and plunges into your chest! I actually jump! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

And honestly, I don't see that many Ki-84s. Well, that's not exactly true. There's always at least ONE on every server, but then there's always at least one P-51 or Spit. But they don't seem to be any more dangerous than anything else out there.

VW-IceFire
06-13-2004, 11:46 AM
The biggest problem for me is when you go into one of the free for all servers and you look at the plane list and its Ki-84c all the way up and down the list. I feel so out of place in a FW190, a P-47, a Spitfire, or a Yak-9. They should have Ki-84 servers for these guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What was really grand was the UK-Dedicated D-Day scenario. Just a couple of 109 types and a couple of FW190 types VS a limited USAAF/RAF setup. That was fantastic...I'd like to see the same thing from other servers and with other types of scenarios. And that includes a Ki-84c at the right times...essentially the 84c is a defense of Japan plane. If you are running such a scenario complete with flyable AI bombers then by all means.

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Baltar
06-13-2004, 11:52 AM
I agree that the game isn't perfectly balanced, and I have to say that 'just deal with it' is an incredibly lame response. As an alternative to banning it'd be great if there were server-imposed limits on how many of a given plane a side can field at one time.

Ki_Rin
06-13-2004, 12:01 PM
excellent idea, baltar....out of every planes available, one could only select, say, 109K 3 times, then no more 109K for you!, then he could at any time switch to a 47, using up one of the, say, 30 available to him, or 25 p51s, or 1 262....

only problem is, one would just leave and re-enter server to renew the stock....at least the point system might actaully have a little merit, to reflect his relative sucess/failure per limited availibility plane sets....

wether historical productioon numbers would dicate ratio of types in a server, or server host to decide numbers of a given type, very good idea&lt;S&gt;!

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Ki_Rin
06-13-2004, 12:08 PM
Ooops! sorry, baltar, you said limit nu8mbers each side could have, I didnt think abou tthat....the idea still the same, but maybe not have it per side, then all th ewhining cuz some poor guy who doesnt know ho wto fly a Ki84, say, crashes all ove rthe place, and "wastes" the type for everone else...

My idea is the same, except that each player gets a certain allotment of whatever type, to use as he sees fit...when hes used up his 25 p51s, or his 12 spitfires, or his 18 La7s, or his 1 he162, thats it for that type, for that player...

He of course, could use them in any order.....use 5 p51s, them use 2 spits, them use another 3 p 51s, then a La7 or 2, whatever, until the well runs dry

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Latico
06-13-2004, 01:11 PM
IMO, the most realistic DF scenario would be for all players to start together (no joining the game after it starts) with ONE plane and ONE life. All take off from their respective home bases and fly towards the opposition as squadrons. When the engagment begins, if a player is shot down it's over for him.

Basically, which ever team can return planes to base after the engagment (or the most planes) wins the match.

I've never cared for the revive (respawn) ****. I'm an old Fighters Anthology pilot and I've always had a distain for custom co-op missions that allowed revives.

Baltar
06-13-2004, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ki_Rin:
Ooops! sorry, baltar, you said limit nu8mbers each side could have, I didnt think abou tthat....the idea still the same, but maybe not have it per side, then all th ewhining cuz some poor guy who doesnt know ho wto fly a Ki84, say, crashes all ove rthe place, and "wastes" the type for everone else...

My idea is the same, except that each player gets a certain allotment of whatever type, to use as he sees fit...when hes used up his 25 p51s, or his 12 spitfires, or his 18 La7s, or his 1 he162, thats it for that type, for that player...

He of course, could use them in any order.....use 5 p51s, them use 2 spits, them use another 3 p 51s, then a La7 or 2, whatever, until the well runs dry

"Consequences are for lesser beings; I am Ki-Rin...that is sanction enough"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure I like this idea, cuz as you said, people could just leave and rejoin. The fear of not having the uberplane may exceed the need to point *****, especially if the guy knows he will get no points without his beloved ki-84c or La-7 3xB-20.

I believe limiting the number of a given plane per side could work well if a decent voting system was introduced, or a ranking system determining precidence of who chooses what.

RedDeth
06-13-2004, 01:58 PM
i ban all jets and the 109Z on AFJ server because they can fly around above combat drop in and leave again without getting touched unless your in one. the 109Z is fast and can get away like a jet.

i keep the KI-84C in the game because its easy to shoot down.very easy.you can out climb it and out turn it in many planes.

there are many similarities to to the FW190A9 with mk108 wingcannons. and i leave that plane in too. i never fly the ki84c as i think it would be too much of a crutch for me. you count on heavy guns too much and good turning high speed package.all the best pilots stay away from the ki84C it seems also.

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Korolov
06-13-2004, 02:05 PM
You know, you deal with jets by catching them on landing approach or on the ground. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Ki_Rin
06-13-2004, 02:07 PM
yes, a well flown jet rules the engagemebt, (tho it only take sa few lucky strikes to flame one) but anybody who uses the mkI eyeball and has situ awareness shouldnt be killed by a jet so easy...I dont feel that jets are uber at all...in fact, much easier to deal with then an La7....

I agree with what u said about the ki84C, red, when I do fly the ki84, which isnt often at all (my name has NOTHING to do with Ki, or kawanishi, ok, ppl?) I use the 1A...the C is a crutch....I also think th esame of the La7 flyers, so many of them....but to get kills in that thing is liek childs play...

BTW, red, sir, could you please make your server autokik at like 375 or 400 ping? lol my ping right at 350, and I keep getting booted, I luv ur server, but wotta pain!

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Red_Storm
06-13-2004, 04:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sultan_of_Swing:
I just want to encourage more server ops to leave certain planes, that shall remain nameless, (and wild horses couldn't drag "KI-84c" from my lips) from their servers. Jets too.

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I assume you yourself fly a Yak-3P or an La-7 with three B-20 cannons? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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MetalG.
06-13-2004, 05:10 PM
Fly early war year servers..
Ok, there's not much of them as most people seem to prefer all that late war stuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif, but if you do find one, they're a lot of fun most of time.
Usually early war planesets (without the planes that never or very rarely saw combat that is) keep the aircraft on the allied and axis side very evenly matched which make for very interesting dogfights.
Oh and also there were quite few of those huge caliber one shot kill wonders, or those super duper boost extra plus systems early in the war, which IMO also makes things more fun.

OldPepper
06-13-2004, 05:20 PM
I concur with the last post.

I would like to simply see more early years planes. Hurricanes, 153s and I-16s, early Bf109s, etc.

I generally try to take the "odd-plane-out" when I join 'uberservers.' Getting a kill in an outclassed plane is more fun for me, personally, and getting killed by 51s doesn't bug me.

I've taken spitfires, but they feel more arcade like than many other planes.

Any servers with 1939-1942 planes? I like Warclouds, but its generally 1943 on. Shoot, I'll join any server with decent ping and forced cockpit.

Although, I do like servers that show your position on the map. I get lost too often!

LW_lcarp
06-13-2004, 08:32 PM
Well with everyone else complaining about this plane or that plane now its my turn i guess.

I prefer servers that have NO (none nada zip zilch) russian planes they are the Noober planes to this game and take away any fun that is to be had in it.

I prefer to fly the early war planes as it takes more skill to get a kill then throwing out a couple 30mms and watch your enemy disappear in a ball of flame.

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RedDeth
06-13-2004, 08:39 PM
KI-RIN the server is set up with anti speed hack. it doesnt boot any particular ping. it boots players with high packet loss . or at least thats how its explained to me. it wont boot someone with a 900 ping if they dont have severe packet loss. and i believe packet loss is the real cause of lagg not really a ping number. in fact some pilots with low pings have packet loss and get booted

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Ki_Rin
06-13-2004, 08:47 PM
****.

ok, ty for the expalination, sir...

figures, I finally got a comp good enough for Janes ww2 fighters, then iL2 sturmomemory comes out and Im way behind again...I swear, as soon as I get that comp to give me decent service as a FB player, the next games gonna come out, everybody and their brothers gonna go there, and its gonna take a super, super computer to run, and once again Ill be with the tumbleweeds at FB, like I was at Janes...

Maybe I should look at tank sims....... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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noshens
06-13-2004, 09:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Besides, the 262 is a handful to fly, before even thinking about hitting something with (especially fighters) when it's bouncing around with the mk108 recoil; it is suspectible on take off and landing and requires only a minute spray of .50s (or anything else for that matter) to set those vunerable engines alight.

In that respect, the 262 pilots have the hardest time of it.

Providing that they are used in the correct historical 'epoch' then I don't see a problem with it at all.

Cheers,
Norris

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ok here what happend to me some time ago:

Free for all room, me262 available, nobody flies it. I get killed every time by k4, I get annoyed, pick the me262. In 40-50 min I killed 30 without being killed (not even hit!)

me262 might be hard for beginners, but after some time it starts to feel like fw190 with better visibility, climb, speed, armament and dive.

[This message was edited by noshens on Sun June 13 2004 at 08:22 PM.]

RedDeth
06-14-2004, 12:15 AM
if your having packet loss call your I.S.P. and ask them whats up

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Jetbuff
06-14-2004, 12:40 AM
You guys do know that you CAN limit the number of a particular plane per side right?

It's up to the mission builder. If I want there to be only 2-3 Spitfires say because I want my server to be more Eastern front than BoB here's how I do it:

In the FMB, I create two red airfields. One will have all the red planes minus the spitfire. The other one will have only the Spitfire. Then I reduce the size of the circle around the homebase object to it's smallest size. Only areas of tarmac that are within the circle are "legal" spawn-points, so, if say I make it small enough that only 2-3 planes can spawn there, Voila, I have a realistic planeset; instead of BoB over Stalingrad.

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-14-2004, 12:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by noshens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Besides, the 262 is a handful to fly, before even thinking about hitting something with (especially fighters) when it's bouncing around with the mk108 recoil; it is suspectible on take off and landing and requires only a minute spray of .50s (or anything else for that matter) to set those vunerable engines alight.

In that respect, the 262 pilots have the hardest time of it.

Providing that they are used in the correct historical 'epoch' then I don't see a problem with it at all.

Cheers,
Norris

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ok here what happend to me some time ago:

Free for all room, me262 available, nobody flies it. I get killed every time by k4, I get annoyed, pick the me262. In 40-50 min I killed 30 without being killed (not even hit!)

me262 might be hard for beginners, but after some time it starts to feel like fw190 with better visibility, climb, speed, armament and dive.

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Hi,

Yes, the 262 is very capable in the right hands and so it should be; any plane is capable in the right hands - take the P47, for example.

Cheers,
Norris

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WOLFMondo
06-14-2004, 03:30 AM
I don't see what the problem is if people don't like the plane sets, either play on a different server, contact the server host (most have forums) and give them your feedback or host a server yourselves with the plane sets and missions you want.

I think allot of people miss the point, its not down to the game or the way DF is structured, its down to the map maker giving people realistic objectives and more importantly down to the people that play on the server. Also server hosts will appeal to the majority and not the minority. If the majority what uber plane combat and it fills the server....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
i ban all jets and the 109Z on AFJ server because they can fly around above combat drop in and leave again without getting touched unless your in one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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