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GrinderX9
12-06-2004, 06:23 PM
Talvisota aka Winter war.

This is a Finnish war movie from 1989.
I had read good reviews of this movie, and desided to get it.
And to day I finaly got it. I had never before seen a Finnish movie before,
but I realy dident expekt to mutch. I was taken by total suprise of how good
this movie was.


This is from the movie page Imdb.com:
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Summary: Solid, decent film about men in their trenches and beyond

A Finnish reviewer wrote that this can easily compete with Hollywood war films. I don't follow that at all, since I feel "Talvisota" is more honest, down to earth and simply better as anything that comes out of the US, except for "The thin red line". There is no silly Heroism in it like in the pathetic private Ryan. It is simply a serious, well told story about Finnish men sent out to defend their country against the invaders.

With a running time of over 3 hours, it is maybe a bit too long, but on the other hand there is more time for some serious character development. The film features some more than impressive photography, while the just as impressive battle scenes (there are quite a lot of them in the second half of the film, for all the combat action fans) remain pretty realistic.

There a just minor flaws, like scenes that are simply to obvious and predictable, and as far as I am concerned, slow motion should not be used in war films on general principle, although a previous commentator, apparently a kid wrote about "cool slow motion". But that is a matter of taste.

Anyway, I prefer this just as Stalingrad or the Russian "Idi i smotri" (Come and see) to any American war move any day of the week. 8/10 from me.
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This is a realy good movie, go get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

you can read more about the movie at this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098437/

GrinderX9
12-06-2004, 06:23 PM
Talvisota aka Winter war.

This is a Finnish war movie from 1989.
I had read good reviews of this movie, and desided to get it.
And to day I finaly got it. I had never before seen a Finnish movie before,
but I realy dident expekt to mutch. I was taken by total suprise of how good
this movie was.


This is from the movie page Imdb.com:
________________________________________________
Summary: Solid, decent film about men in their trenches and beyond

A Finnish reviewer wrote that this can easily compete with Hollywood war films. I don't follow that at all, since I feel "Talvisota" is more honest, down to earth and simply better as anything that comes out of the US, except for "The thin red line". There is no silly Heroism in it like in the pathetic private Ryan. It is simply a serious, well told story about Finnish men sent out to defend their country against the invaders.

With a running time of over 3 hours, it is maybe a bit too long, but on the other hand there is more time for some serious character development. The film features some more than impressive photography, while the just as impressive battle scenes (there are quite a lot of them in the second half of the film, for all the combat action fans) remain pretty realistic.

There a just minor flaws, like scenes that are simply to obvious and predictable, and as far as I am concerned, slow motion should not be used in war films on general principle, although a previous commentator, apparently a kid wrote about "cool slow motion". But that is a matter of taste.

Anyway, I prefer this just as Stalingrad or the Russian "Idi i smotri" (Come and see) to any American war move any day of the week. 8/10 from me.
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This is a realy good movie, go get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

you can read more about the movie at this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098437/

GrinderX9
12-06-2004, 07:40 PM
I forgot to say, there are also a I16 in the movie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Pat_Pattle
12-06-2004, 11:57 PM
Sounds good, is it subtitled or dubbed into English?

Shadow1706
12-07-2004, 02:28 AM
If you liked Talvisota, then you should see Tuntematon sotilas (1955) (The Unknown Soldier), which most Finns consider to be the best movie on the Continuation War ever filmed.
The film is based on V¤in¶ Linna's book, which is inspired by author's experiences during the war, and describes the exploits of a Finnish machine gun company in the war.
Because the movie was filmed in 1955 it's obviously in black and white. There is also a modern version filmed in 1985 which also tells the same story but it IMO isn't as good as the original.

CD_Turbo
12-07-2004, 02:38 AM
Hello!

I agree that this film is good.
It's a relief that the explosions arent made with pyrotechnics that create a fire effect.
Hollywood movies often use explosives that create a fire effect..
Grenades and alltillery explode with a shockwave that send debrie flying up.
These types of explosions are very hard to film but in this movie it works very well!

Buy it or lend it and enjoy!

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AlGroover
12-07-2004, 05:49 AM
I not long ago finished reading William R. Trotter's book 'The Winter War, the Russo-Finnish war of 1939-40'. It must be one of the very few available in English. At 270 pages, is not hugely detailed but is fairly priced and makes sobering reading of a little known conflict. Has a small chapter on the war in the air with a mention of Swedish volunteers in Gladiators with skull and crossbones insignia, taking on escorted formations of Russian bombers. Ther must be mission building possibilities in that one.

gorillasika
12-07-2004, 06:50 AM
I recommend V¤in¶ Linna's book "Unknown soldier". Yesterday I watched the film (once again, as they show it on TV every Day of Indepence) and I must say it made me take the book of the shelf and read all the missing parts.
In the book all the characters have names and personalities are depicted much clearer. Also you can follow their path through the war much better.

Of course the "unknown Soldier" tells about the Continuation war and the "Winter war" tells about, well the Winter war.

triggerhappyfin
12-07-2004, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gorillasika:
I recommend V¤in¶ Linna's book "Unknown soldier". Yesterday I watched the film (once again, as they show it on TV every Day of Indepence) and I must say it made me take the book of the shelf and read all the missing parts.
In the book all the characters have names and personalities are depicted much clearer. Also you can follow their path through the war much better.

Of course the "unknown Soldier" tells about the Continuation war and the "Winter war" tells about, well the Winter war. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Winter War is a quite good movie but the "unknown soldier" from the fifties is too old of a movie to enjoy enymore...Beeing from Finland but living abroad since lot of years I have to say: If I were supposed to see that old movbie on every independence day....I´d surrender to Russians straight away http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

darkhorizon11
12-07-2004, 11:30 AM
Is it in English?

GrinderX9
12-07-2004, 12:31 PM
Quote:
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Originally postet by darkhorizon11
Is it in English?
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No. I dont know if it is a dubbed verson,but I think you can survive whit subtitles, cant you? I think all movies is best on the orginal language.

Red Allert
01-05-2005, 03:56 AM
At least the book is in english, but I don't know about the movie...

btw. the book is better!

LEBillfish
01-05-2005, 07:02 AM
There is also a movie out called "the Cuckoo" which is so much in the theme of another excellent movie "Hell in the Pacific", about a Finnish and Russian soldier you ought to see as well.....

Not all the action, but a real mind bender.

ParaB
01-05-2005, 11:00 AM
Yes, "Talvisota" is an excellent movie. Highly recommended if you're interested in war movies that are different from the usual Hollywood ****.

F19_Orheim
01-05-2005, 01:26 PM
I saw this film for the first time in -91 and at that time it was considered to be very realistic, even too realistic. I guess this movie far far before "Saving...." suceeded to show how horrific was is up close.
Is is a really powerful yet stomach turning film. Highly recommendable.

GreyFox5
01-05-2005, 04:42 PM
Like to get a copy. It is available at Amazon but a bit expensive. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000646UN/imdb-adbox/102-2942859-8324110

$45.00 US.

Atomic_Marten
01-05-2005, 05:55 PM
I have been impressed too, when I watch it.. sad story tho. I have watched it couple of times..