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MOhz
11-05-2004, 05:47 AM
no further questions thank you, or yes i guess i do, did the 152 get a designation? also if A is for Anton B for Berta is C then Caesar?

Cajun76
11-05-2004, 05:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MOhz:
no further questions thank you, or yes i guess i do, did the 152 get a designation? also if A is for Anton B for Berta is C then Caesar? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, loosely translated, it's the Thelongnosewiththinwingbigguninnosehighaltitudefly er, or Ta-152 for short. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MOhz
11-05-2004, 06:10 AM
i do understand, write, speak etc German, but could i please have a translation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

PraetorHonoris
11-05-2004, 06:26 AM
Butcherbird does not mean Sturmvogel, but Würger. That is a bird.

A Fw190A with additional armor and MK108 was called Sturmbock.

The Jabo (fighter bomber) variant of the Me262 was called Sturmvogel.

k5054
11-05-2004, 06:27 AM
Wuerger = Butcher bird = shrike (the bird, that is) = 190

Sturmvogel = Stormbird = Petrel (the bird, that is) = 262

109, eins null neun, no bird involved.

NegativeGee
11-05-2004, 06:39 AM
Bruno, Caesar, Dora, Emil, Friedrich, Gustav, Kurfurst (and others on the K).

It never got a name like the 190 did....... it was just the "one-oh-nine".

diomedes33
11-05-2004, 06:55 AM
For some reason something to the effect of

"Iron Rain"

keeps popping up in my head, but I can't find anything to back it up. I read it somewhere now I wish I could find it.

NorrisMcWhirter
11-05-2004, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
Butcherbird does not mean Sturmvogel, but Würger. That is a bird.

A Fw190A with additional armor and MK108 was called Sturmbock.

The Jabo (fighter bomber) variant of the Me262 was called Sturmvogel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

AFAIK, Würger is German for the shrike bird species....

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Shrike is the common name for predatory birds belonging to the family Laniidae. Shrikes are perching birds, measuring about 16 to 37 cm (6 to 14 in) in length. They have large heads, and they often impale their prey on thorns and tear it with their strong, sharp bills. Two species inhabit North America: the widely distributed northern shrike, Lanius excubiter, and the loggerhead shrike, L. ludovicianus. Adults of both species are gray above and white below, with bold, black eye stripes. Their wings and tails are black and white.

http://www.4to40.com/earth/geography/htm/birdsindex.asp?counter=85

<snip>

Cheers,
Norris

PraetorHonoris
11-05-2004, 08:01 AM
I though butcher bird was the colloquial term for shrike...

anyway, you are right, the Würger is a shrike

Cajun76
11-05-2004, 08:16 AM
Something I always found a bit amusing/interesting was the full name of the Jeep in German, or, the German name the Jeep recieved when first encountered. The translation was something like I posted above:

The-long-nose-with-thin-wing-big-gun-in-nose-high-altitude-flyer

It was something like that, and descrbed the Jeep in a similar fashion. Anyone know what I'm talking about? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

MOhz
11-05-2004, 08:51 AM
well good to know about the shrike and the petrel... lol

NorrisMcWhirter
11-05-2004, 08:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
I though butcher bird was the colloquial term for shrike...

anyway, you are right, the Würger is a shrike <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right with the colloquial term. Was typing ahead of thought process - as usual http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

JG53Frankyboy
11-05-2004, 06:55 PM
the factory Focke-Wulf had the tradition to name its planes after birds:

Fw44 Stieglitz
Fw56 St¶sser
Fw58 Weihe
Fw187 Falke
Fw189 Uhu
Fw190 Würger
Fw200 Condor

it was nothing official from Reichsluftfahrtministerium.

Stiglr
11-05-2004, 07:07 PM
It seems "109" or even "Messerschmitt" was enough to strike the appropriate fear into the hearts of the plane's enemies....

It was so badddd, it didn't NEED a moniker...

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Cajun76
11-05-2004, 07:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
It seems "109" or even "Messerschmitt" was enough to strike the appropriate fear into the hearts of the plane's enemies....

It was so badddd, it didn't NEED a moniker...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What, "Emil", "Fredrick", "Gustav" and "Kurfurst" don't ring a bell?

Most of the time, my "appropriate fear" involves a gun switch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

But I highly enjoy taking them up for a spin too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Charos
11-05-2004, 08:25 PM
When fitted with 13 mm guns the Bf109 had two large blisters ahead of the cockpit over the breech blocks, this gave rise to the nickname "BEULE", German for "Bump".

The S-199 was a nightmare to fly, Czech pilots gave it the contemptuous nickname of "Mezec (Mule)".

"Mersu" (Finnish nickname; nowadays it is used for Mercedes-Benz cars)

Here is a list of all Nicknames for German AC
http://www.hut.fi/~andres/lw_nn_t.html

Stiglr
11-05-2004, 11:56 PM
Cajun, those were merely military shorthand for variant letters, like the Amis use Alpha Bravo Charlie, etc. Emil for 109E, etc.

Not the same for a nickname for an entire series like Jug for a P-47, whether it's a C or D, or a P-38 LIGHTNING, whether it's an F, G or L, etc.

The 109 SERIES did not have a name.