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HART_dreyer
02-03-2006, 02:15 PM
Hello gents,

If you can find time to spare from arguing about the performance of the P-51 and what not I've now compiled an Audio Commentary from one of my own online tracks flying the AM62 (a.k.a. the Zero).

The downloadable .zip containing both the .ntrk and .mp3 file can be downloaded here (48MB):

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/ntrk/dreyer_A6M2_audio_commentary.zip

Instructions:
Download the above .zip file, uncompress it and place the .ntrk file under your [IL2 ROOT FOLDER]\records, start the MP3 and listen to the instructions.

Note: To get the track and the audio as synchronized as possible load the track and pause it immediately. Then wait to un-pause it when I signal you to do so. This way the audio and the video from the track should be synchronized (within a reasonable margin).

Please let me know what you think of this Audio Commentary. Any feedback will be most appreciated! (Was it useful? Did you learn anything? Entertaining? Or was it a waste of your time?)

PS: I hope my broken English is understandable.

Enjoy!

HART_dreyer
02-03-2006, 02:15 PM
Hello gents,

If you can find time to spare from arguing about the performance of the P-51 and what not I've now compiled an Audio Commentary from one of my own online tracks flying the AM62 (a.k.a. the Zero).

The downloadable .zip containing both the .ntrk and .mp3 file can be downloaded here (48MB):

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/ntrk/dreyer_A6M2_audio_commentary.zip

Instructions:
Download the above .zip file, uncompress it and place the .ntrk file under your [IL2 ROOT FOLDER]\records, start the MP3 and listen to the instructions.

Note: To get the track and the audio as synchronized as possible load the track and pause it immediately. Then wait to un-pause it when I signal you to do so. This way the audio and the video from the track should be synchronized (within a reasonable margin).

Please let me know what you think of this Audio Commentary. Any feedback will be most appreciated! (Was it useful? Did you learn anything? Entertaining? Or was it a waste of your time?)

PS: I hope my broken English is understandable.

Enjoy!

HART_dreyer
02-03-2006, 02:21 PM
I also forgot to mention:
Ensure to lower your in-game volume to a minimal so that you can actually hear me speak.

HART_dreyer
02-03-2006, 04:24 PM
*bump before bed time*

1.JaVA_Hornet
02-03-2006, 04:57 PM
Dreyer many thanks for this.

In the past i have seen many lessons of
you and its great.

When i am so good as you are now then i am
10 years furter.

But this can work against you. That players
are flying above you and know your strategy.

Stackhouse25th
02-03-2006, 05:14 PM
VERY NEAT IDEA. ACTUALLY ITS ONE I THOUGHT OF MYSELF. WE DO THIS SAME THING IN OUR SQUADRON FOR TRAINING. I THINK WE HAVE CLOSE TO 5 TRACKS MADE AND 5 MP3 THINGS FOR TUTORING PURPOSES. IT SAVES TIME AND WE CAN TRAIN ON LARGE SCALE.

HART_dreyer
02-03-2006, 08:32 PM
VERY COOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif hehehe.

Prop_Strike
02-03-2006, 11:18 PM
Hi Dreyer,
Thank-you very much for the lesson - I thought it was an excellent idea, and I learned a lot.

You said you're not a good shot!......looked pretty good to me. Those deflection snap-shots are harder than they look.
Please make more of these excellent voice-over lessons - maybe flying a P-40 against zeroes to get the other side of the story! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thanks again; and I look forward to the next lesson(pen and notebook ready).

P.S: I see that you're an honourable flyer - good to see. You have class http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HART_dreyer
02-04-2006, 02:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But this can work against you. That players are flying above you and know your strategy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is prefectly ok, this will in return increase my skill level even further as I'm pushed to learn new things.

Thanks a lot Prop_Strike! That's really nice to hear!

Doing one for the P-40 is a nice suggestion, I've always liked the P-40, it is a good airplane.

WTE_Ibis
02-04-2006, 03:00 AM
Thanks HART, I have watched quite a few of your tracks and enjoyed them but how you can scan at the speed you do is well beyond me.
Cheers m8.

.

HART_dreyer
02-04-2006, 05:54 AM
Hmm, not sure, once you get used to the keypad it just comes natural. When I first started I used the hatswitch on the joystick and that was simply awfull!

HART_dreyer
02-04-2006, 09:59 AM
*bump*

rnzoli
02-04-2006, 10:45 AM
Just watched the show, nice work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

A few comments on your commentary.

Patience - well highlighted. I find that the very first person to fight in air-combat is myself, meaning not to get into a bad situation because of "greed" or wanting "revenge".

Fuel gauges - 2 on the left, low down. See neaural-dream's aircraft reference guide. I like to know where it is, just in case my tanks start leaking.

Energy - fully agreed, energy advantage gives the possibility to stay out of harm's range in the first place. But there are 2 conditions often forgotten, when giving such advice: it's a must to have excellent vision and accurate shooting. With E-advatange, it is more difficult to spot the enemy against the ground, and there is less time to shoot it during the firing pass. If you have too much E-advantage, that can be a problem too, because you won't see the enemy from too high above, or cant shoot accurately with a +400km/h pass. I tend to think in relative E-advantage, relative to the enemy(s). Otherwise I should climb to 10.000m and spend a lonely hour there - safe, but also limiting my ability to act as well, due to poorer vision and crappy aiming.

Control - what kind of joystick setup do you have?

Next aircraft - I have seen the latest Bf-109K track, would be interested in its commentary. You have evaded a P-38 on your tail with scissors and later shot it down, I wonder what went through your mind at different stages of that combat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ATLAS_DEATH
02-04-2006, 10:52 AM
D/Ling now.

HART_dreyer
02-04-2006, 11:21 AM
Hello rnzoli, thank you for your feedback!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
Just watched the show, nice work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

A few comments on your commentary.

Patience - well highlighted. I find that the very first person to fight in air-combat is myself, meaning not to get into a bad situation because of "greed" or wanting "revenge".
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed, took me a while to get this under 'control'.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Fuel gauges - 2 on the left, low down. See neaural-dream's aircraft reference guide. I like to know where it is, just in case my tanks start leaking.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the info!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Energy - fully agreed, energy advantage gives the possibility to stay out of harm's range in the first place. But there are 2 conditions often forgotten, when giving such advice: it's a must to have excellent vision and accurate shooting. With E-advatange, it is more difficult to spot the enemy against the ground, and there is less time to shoot it during the firing pass. If you have too much E-advantage, that can be a problem too, because you won't see the enemy from too high above, or cant shoot accurately with a +400km/h pass. I tend to think in relative E-advantage, relative to the enemy(s). Otherwise I should climb to 10.000m and spend a lonely hour there - safe, but also limiting my ability to act as well, due to poorer vision and crappy aiming.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with most of this; however I've never experienced having "too much E" to be much of a problem. It's fairly easy to burn off any excess energy and even if you don't make the shot in the first pass you'll simply go back up and try again. I'd rather have too much than too little http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But yes, whether or not the amount of energy you have is sufficient is really dependant on your enemy, it is always relative. However when you are flying online in a public server it is hard to anticipate how high you'll need to be to be the "top dog". I don't care how rich on energy I am as long as I am the richest :-)

When you fly in a proper mission, perhaps with your squad, tactics have to change because you might have an important objective to complete, such as protect bombers or protect something on the ground. Your tactics must change according to your objective. When I fly solo online my objectives are as follows: 1.) Stay alive. 2.) Bring down enemy aircraft. Very simplistic and ego-centric. Therefore I won't care to attack aircraft flying down at the deck if I am at 6000 meters.

I would also like to mention that I would love to be in a squad and fly proper competeive missions against other humans squads. However I have not been able to locate any good competetive scene in IL2 for me to be a part of as of yet.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Control - what kind of joystick setup do you have?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I use the MS ForceFeedback 2 along with the keypad for pretty much any other control input.

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=1
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Y=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

Control settings can be found here:
http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/dreyer_settings.zip
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Next aircraft - I have seen the latest Bf-109K track, would be interested in its commentary. You have evaded a P-38 on your tail with scissors and later shot it down, I wonder what went through your mind at different stages of that combat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ATLAS_DEATH
02-04-2006, 12:47 PM
Good work! I like how you bad mouthed all the P-40's ahaha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif And the 'greedy' people.

dieg777
02-04-2006, 01:27 PM
thanks for taking the time and effort to do this. I have found this very helpful and have been watching your other tracks as well. I would like to echo rnzolis request for similar when flying Me109s.

I notice that you dont seem to use rudder a lot in your manouvers is this true as I thought it was an aid in some manouvers ?

In encounters I have the greatist difficulty in assessing when any advantage I have initially is erroding and the advantage is going to my opponent -specifically when is it time to exit the encounter to maintain the advantage.

I also have difficulties flying defensive manouvers like the scissors and using these to gain parity or advantage over someone who comes up behind me. ( yea I know I shouldnt allow this to happen in the first place but being new online it does happen)

If you could enclude some thoughts on defensive flying in your next project I think these would help others

TY

rnzoli
02-04-2006, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ATLAS_DEATH:
Good work! I like how you bad mouthed all the P-40's ahaha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif And the 'greedy' people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That fly-by with flashing nav lights was sweet - and the P40 pilot tried to shoot him with no engine.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif instead of concentrating on his crash land....

Given the nature of his combat style, its no wonder why so many kills are stolen from him.

On the other hand, we got to know that 'Marcus' is a great fellow, who didn't attempt strafing the plane on the ground to steal the kill...

HART_dreyer
02-04-2006, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">thanks for taking the time and effort to do this. I have found this very helpful and have been watching your other tracks as well. I would like to echo rnzolis request for similar when flying Me109s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Glad you liked it! You€re welcome.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I notice that you dont seem to use rudder a lot in your manouvers is this true as I thought it was an aid in some manouvers ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I use the rudder quite a bit. I use the rudder to increase my roll-rate, to help turn and especially when aiming for a deflection shot or whenever else it feels 'natural' to use rudder. Making deflection shots without rudder is very difficult!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In encounters I have the greatist difficulty in assessing when any advantage I have initially is erroding and the advantage is going to my opponent -specifically when is it time to exit the encounter to maintain the advantage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're not alone here, this takes quite a bit of experience to master, even I have trouble making the right decisions at times. Often greed and impatience gets the better of me. Training your self to avoid making such mistakes takes discipline.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I also have difficulties flying defensive maneuvers like the scissors and using these to gain parity or advantage over someone who comes up behind me. ( yea I know I shouldnt allow this to happen in the first place but being new online it does happen) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
'Not allowing' someone to get up behind you is pretty much impossible, especially online. I believe that using such maneuvers successfully also does take some experience. Often scissors is not very difficult to execute, but it is difficult to get the timing down right. Timing is everything in those types of maneuvers. You also have to keep a visual on your opponent as otherwise you won't be able to make the right move at the right time. This is extremely important.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you could enclude some thoughts on defensive flying in your next project I think these would help others </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Noted!

redfeathers1948
02-04-2006, 05:47 PM
Great addition to my learning curve amigo Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HART_dreyer
02-05-2006, 04:40 AM
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HART_dreyer
02-05-2006, 10:39 AM
*bump*

-HH- Beebop
02-05-2006, 01:57 PM
Great video dreyer! Best 35 minutes I've spent in some time.

Please do more, any subject. This is a great learning aid.

=S=

HART_dreyer
02-05-2006, 05:08 PM
I will try!

WTE_Ibis
02-05-2006, 07:13 PM
Tried it, it's very good, thanks. I look forward
to more, believe me I need the help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HART_dreyer
02-06-2006, 02:31 AM
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money_money
02-06-2006, 02:53 AM
thx a lot for that. hopeing u do some more with other aircraft. Ive dl many of ur tracks, and watched them but with the comentary it was great.

&lt;3 $

JG52_Cyanide
02-06-2006, 03:23 AM
Very good "teaching" track. The audio commentary really completed it all. This might be the solution to teaching those who have a hard time learning the game/sim.
I could imagine that without the audio commentary, people would just see it as any other track and not pay attention to the things that really matter. (energy management, patience and such.)

It goes to show once again that someone who CAN fly but isn't a particulair good marksman will completely out-kill someone who can shoot 100% accurate but hasn't got the faintest idea about ACM.

Thanks for the track with the commentary and I will most definately be on the lookout for new tracks of you (WITH audio commentary of course....)

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HART_dreyer
02-06-2006, 07:47 AM
Thanks for the comments!

tjaika1910
02-06-2006, 09:58 AM
Nice initiative.

Good to see that someone actually show patience.

Does the old tracks on your webside work with current game?

(eg. does all ntrk work?)

HART_dreyer
02-06-2006, 10:43 AM
I think all ntrk tracks works regardless of what version it was recorded with.

T_O_A_D
02-06-2006, 01:18 PM
Good show. I will defenitly pass this on to the wreckless ones I fly with. Very good training, Only problem is, it will make it even tougher out there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

HART_dreyer
02-06-2006, 03:56 PM
I think there will always be a good amount of fish out there, simply because a lot of people just don't want to learn.

Xiolablu3
02-06-2006, 05:46 PM
Thanks for that mate, nice job.

I felt you should have helped the ki43 in the first battle a bit more (he helped you out) but thats just peronal difference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll help out anyone even if it puts my 'life' at risk, which is a bit stupid sometimes, but I cant help myself! (this was the first time I found myself thinking I would do something different)

Excellent flying skills. I learnt not to fire off all my cannon ammo at damaged planes from you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HART_dreyer
02-07-2006, 01:04 AM
Thanks for the comments mate!<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I felt you should have helped the ki43 in the first battle a bit more (he helped you out) but thats just peronal difference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, his presence did help me out, but that does not mean he intended to 'help me'. He was simply after a kill and helping me was a side effect of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If he had been my wingman and we were using com€s to co-ordinate our tactics the scenario would have been very different.

Unfortunately by sticking on the P-40€s tail he put himself and I in an impossible situation (remember we were out numbered). At the time I had at least one other P-40 to worry about. Before I can help anyone else I need to have control over my self and my own surroundings. Once he gets dragged down by the P-40 with 2 other P-40€s on his tail helping him becomes difficult. They have us outnumbered so if I choose to put my self on a P-40€s tail to shoot him down, even if I succeed in doing this I will immediately be in big trouble afterwards as I would have burned much of my energy.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'll help out anyone even if it puts my 'life' at risk, which is a bit stupid sometimes, but I cant help myself! (this was the first time I found myself thinking I would do something different) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You need to ask your self, are you actually -helping them- or are you -helping your self- to an easy kill? Watch out for greed! Your own worst enemy.

HART_dreyer
02-07-2006, 07:20 AM
*bump*

Xiolablu3
02-07-2006, 12:12 PM
Yes I totally understand, I know you cant go off 'helping' everyone if you want to stay alive, especially if they are making poor moves.

But , no , I really am trying to help my teamates out, not going for easy kills.

I understand to be an Ace, you cant go around getting yourself into trouble just trying to help out a beginner who is making all the wrong moves. But sometimes I just cant resist trying to help! The feeling when you and a teamate get out of a bad situation is just great. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please dont think I was criticising your flying, you did the correct thing really. It is I who would do the reckless thing and try and 'scare' those p40's off the Ki43's tail.

HART_dreyer
02-07-2006, 12:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif No, no. I did not feel you were criticizing me. I'm just commenting your comments http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I understand to be an Ace, you cant go around getting yourself into trouble just trying to help out a beginner who is making all the wrong moves. But sometimes I just cant resist trying to help! The feeling when you and a teamate get out of a bad situation is just great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I know what you mean, I feel the same way if I bail out a good friend that I know or someone that has done their outmost to help me help them, but not with random people online doing stupid moves (those make me annoyed). Hehe.

Nijssie_1.JaVA
02-07-2006, 01:52 PM
Good stuff this and up this goes

HART_dreyer
02-07-2006, 04:33 PM
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HART_dreyer
02-08-2006, 01:09 AM
a few more bumps and I'm done.

HART_dreyer
02-08-2006, 07:58 AM
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IronKestrel
02-08-2006, 08:39 AM
I enjoyed your production immensely. Learnt a bit too!

One crit would be to skip all the waiting-while-the-game-loads pauses in the Audio and instead simply tell us to pause the game at 10 seconds. Then restart it with a brief countdown; "3-2-1-unpause," et, al.

I was too fast on the pause switch at the start and wound up out-of-sync a bit for the whole thing. Not bad but I thought that part could be done better.

Otherwise, a very enjoyable asnd useful effort. Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

rumsinsfeld
02-08-2006, 10:18 AM
&lt;a few more bumps and I'm done.

Disappointed with the reactions?

I know your tracks and like them very much. I set the options to Perfect and watch the enemies going down. Its very good to show friends what online fighting is about. Regretably other fighters do not show their tracks. I think this is the problem here in the forum. The good pilots don´t want to show their skills, maybe the skill is not so big also, and they get their kills by gangraping opponents with their squad. But whatever.

Commentary is also appreciated. For my part you could go more into details, for example high altitude fighting, shooting, scissor maneuver, spiral climb. Also other planes would be interesting.

I think your work is a big help for many pilots. Just keep up your good work. I frequently look at your site and im happy with any new material.
greetings

MrMojok
02-08-2006, 10:44 AM
Dreyer-

I just wanted to be one more to say thank you for this. I learned a lot from it. If you feel like doing some more, I will certainly check them out.

HART_dreyer
02-08-2006, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IronKestrel:
I enjoyed your production immensely. Learnt a bit too!

One crit would be to skip all the waiting-while-the-game-loads pauses in the Audio and instead simply tell us to pause the game at 10 seconds. Then restart it with a brief countdown; "3-2-1-unpause," et, al. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Good point, I will keep this in mind for next time.

Thanks for the comments everyone.

SweetMonkeyLuv
02-08-2006, 05:26 PM
Dreyer,

Just finished watching/listening. Bravo! Great work!

Invaluable for the novice pilot. Some great pointers for intermediate to advanced pilots. And very entertaining for aces.

Hope to see more of these! I'd request a 109 sortie, since you mentioned that was a plane you enjoy flying.

EPP_Gibbs
02-08-2006, 05:55 PM
Hi Dreyer

I enjoyed the sortie/commentary, it's the first I've seen and it's a great idea. I was grinning a lot because it is almost exactly how I fly, a product of my instinct for self preservation being greater than the need to make a kill. Energy management to keep the upper hand and pounce when they make a mistake...way to go http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It was fun to watch and interesting to see how you dealt with odd situations where it went wrong. I'd certainly watch a 109 film of classic Z&B.

HART_dreyer
02-09-2006, 01:45 AM
I will most likely do an audio commentary for the 109 in the near future as this has been requested several times.

HART_dreyer
02-09-2006, 08:16 AM
But which 109 version are people most keen on seeing?