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Guts_N_Guns
10-09-2009, 09:46 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Greetings All ---

Well, as part of coming back to IL-2 after a few years absence, I am trying to re-train myself on the Lerche III --- and I am clearly forgetting a something (or two). I notice in attempting to get airborne, I do not have enough power to lift off the deck. Second, I vaguely recall something to do with flaps or cowl settings to control air flow during landing or takeoff ????

Could someone give me a quick refresher -- nothing elaborate but I know I am forgetting something.

Much Appreciated -- GnG -- http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Guts_N_Guns
10-09-2009, 09:46 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Greetings All ---

Well, as part of coming back to IL-2 after a few years absence, I am trying to re-train myself on the Lerche III --- and I am clearly forgetting a something (or two). I notice in attempting to get airborne, I do not have enough power to lift off the deck. Second, I vaguely recall something to do with flaps or cowl settings to control air flow during landing or takeoff ????

Could someone give me a quick refresher -- nothing elaborate but I know I am forgetting something.

Much Appreciated -- GnG -- http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TinyTim
10-09-2009, 09:56 AM
Lerche has two engines - make sure to start both of them.

Guts_N_Guns
10-09-2009, 10:34 AM
Hi TinyTim -- well, I had made sure of the two engine power. But I did notice that I was trying takeoff from a higher altitude strip so I reduced the fuel load to 50% and had no problem with takeoff. I will verify 100% fuel at lower altitude as well.

I still remember something about landing procedure that activated some extra air control/guides -- something. If I remember right, it was used to help stabilize the plane vertically for landing....it has been a few years and just cannot remember.

Thanks --- GnG http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Major.Snacko
10-09-2009, 10:35 AM
Use Dive Brakes when taking off or hovering.

Use the bombsight elevation and left/right buttons to guide rockets on wires.

Yep, it has two engines, so start them both then select all engines to throttle up.

50% throttle should hold altitude in a hover approximately..

Guts_N_Guns
10-09-2009, 10:44 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Well, I knew someone had the "secret" that I could not remember. Thanks Snacko -- much appreciated. I should have my wings back in no time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Regards --- GnG --- http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

M_Gunz
10-09-2009, 11:22 AM
First someone you should check is the Me guy, first name is Read.

Choctaw111
10-09-2009, 11:28 AM
There is a little known fact about the Lerche in Il2.
Oleg had to double the power of the of the engines to have enough lift.
This aircraft is beyond fantasy, but I still have some fun with it.
My youngest son always asks me to use the plane with no wings in the QMB.

Lt_Letum
10-09-2009, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
There is a little known fact about the Lerche in Il2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Little known?
Really?

Major.Snacko
10-09-2009, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
First someone you should check is the Me guy, first name is Read. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The guy with 6000+ posts says to check the readme? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Guts_N_Guns
10-09-2009, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
There is a little known fact about the Lerche in Il2.
Oleg had to double the power of the of the engines to have enough lift.
This aircraft is beyond fantasy, but I still have some fun with it.
My youngest son always asks me to use the plane with no wings in the QMB. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the plane did have promise, short of some manufacturing and control issues that the makers never solved, partially because of material and talent shortages near the end of the war. Like many other projects that Hitler never followed through with, it could have been a force in their arsenal.

Guts_N_Guns
10-09-2009, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
First someone you should check is the Me guy, first name is Read. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rather than just criticizing, do you have a specific READ ME file in mind that answers my questions? That would be helpful as the other posts were....

DKoor
10-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Mate also be sure to check that BOTH of your engines are at 110% or whatever you set them to... because sometimes for instance I myself forget to "select all engines" and I just spin around on take off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .
With Lerche I suspect it'd have an effect of weak aircraft power if only one engine is on 110%, I guess.

workky
10-10-2009, 12:47 PM
hit the speedbrake to land or takeoff

wheelsup_cavu
10-10-2009, 07:56 PM
Here is a video for landing the Lerche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxXwJpTB4pQ


Wheels

The_Stealth_Owl
10-10-2009, 08:23 PM
I noticed while youa re relearning, you fly on easy settings.

Not a good idea. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif


Try normal settings to learn. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Guts_N_Guns
10-10-2009, 10:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wheelsup_cavu:
Here is a video for landing the Lerche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxXwJpTB4pQ


Wheels </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, thanks and yes, that did bring back the memories of flying the Lerche III. Thanks for the great video. GnG http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Unknown-Pilot
10-10-2009, 10:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
There is a little known fact about the Lerche in Il2.
Oleg had to double the power of the of the engines to have enough lift.
This aircraft is beyond fantasy, but I still have some fun with it.
My youngest son always asks me to use the plane with no wings in the QMB. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure it was quite "double", but yes, did have to increase p/w a little. And they also added the vert/hover stabilization (the flaps and exhaust gas jets), but they did THAT using tech that could have been pulled off at the time. So it is HARDLY "beyond fantasy" as you say.

The vert/hover stabilization system would have been solved had they had the time, and, all it would have taken then was either dropping CR and ramping up the boost, or, using a turbo prop, which isn't hard to figure out.

In 1946? Maybe not with everything else going on, but eliminate the material shortage, give them some breathing room and remove Hitler (as per the IL2 1946 story line) and it's actually VERY concievable.

....And a great addition to the game, no matter what all the crap plane whiners may have to say. lol

But anyway, point is, engine power aside, it would have worked. So it's really not all that far out.

Same is true for even the Ta-183. I just wish they would have given us the 2nd tail, which is the one that would have worked, instead we got that FM with the 3D model of the more "well known" tail. Ugh.

The only really far fetched plane is the 162D, the forward swept wings would require materials not invented for quite some time. THAT's really pushing things.

It sucks balls that they couldn't give us an uprated 229 though. The 262HG II is using the same engine size (at least on tbe model) but has a more advanced engine in it. The same could slot easily into the 229. And they'd be insane not to - it's just too obvious and too easy.

(but then I suppose one could say the same about MW-50 on the Pfeil as well..... )

Unknown-Pilot
10-10-2009, 10:33 PM
10 cent lesson? already basically covered but...

1. start both engines
2. select both engines together
3. apply maximum throttle
4. kick major a$$

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Look for a campain called Lerchenhain. It's a great offline campain for the Lerche. Well written and a lot of fun.

Guts_N_Guns
10-11-2009, 08:57 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Hi Unknown ----

Yes, I would agree with the history of the Lerche III -- like many things that Hitler never followed through on but that is all a matter of history now. I think it is fun to have such items to fly, not only for the challenge, but to mix with some imagination and build mission and campaign stories around. All part of the game from my perspective. Thanks for the comments. I join you in hoping the future still holds some more additions to the game.

Thanks again -- GnG --- http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

PanzerAce
10-11-2009, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:

I'm not sure it was quite "double", but yes, did have to increase p/w a little. And they also added the vert/hover stabilization (the flaps and exhaust gas jets), but they did THAT using tech that could have been pulled off at the time. So it is HARDLY "beyond fantasy" as you say.

The vert/hover stabilization system would have been solved had they had the time, and, all it would have taken then was either dropping CR and ramping up the boost, or, using a turbo prop, which isn't hard to figure out.

In 1946? Maybe not with everything else going on, but eliminate the material shortage, give them some breathing room and remove Hitler (as per the IL2 1946 story line) and it's actually VERY concievable.

....And a great addition to the game, no matter what all the crap plane whiners may have to say. lol

But anyway, point is, engine power aside, it would have worked. So it's really not all that far out.

Same is true for even the Ta-183. I just wish they would have given us the 2nd tail, which is the one that would have worked, instead we got that FM with the 3D model of the more "well known" tail. Ugh.

The only really far fetched plane is the 162D, the forward swept wings would require materials not invented for quite some time. THAT's really pushing things.

It sucks balls that they couldn't give us an uprated 229 though. The 262HG II is using the same engine size (at least on tbe model) but has a more advanced engine in it. The same could slot easily into the 229. And they'd be insane not to - it's just too obvious and too easy.

(but then I suppose one could say the same about MW-50 on the Pfeil as well..... ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Forward swept wings aren't believable and wouldn't work with the materials they had? Good thing nobody told that to the guys that flew and built the Ju-287.

Also, for the 229, really I just wish that in addition to the V series pre production one we have, that they gave us one of the A-0s, bombload and everything.

Unknown-Pilot
10-12-2009, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:

I'm not sure it was quite "double", but yes, did have to increase p/w a little. And they also added the vert/hover stabilization (the flaps and exhaust gas jets), but they did THAT using tech that could have been pulled off at the time. So it is HARDLY "beyond fantasy" as you say.

The vert/hover stabilization system would have been solved had they had the time, and, all it would have taken then was either dropping CR and ramping up the boost, or, using a turbo prop, which isn't hard to figure out.

In 1946? Maybe not with everything else going on, but eliminate the material shortage, give them some breathing room and remove Hitler (as per the IL2 1946 story line) and it's actually VERY concievable.

....And a great addition to the game, no matter what all the crap plane whiners may have to say. lol

But anyway, point is, engine power aside, it would have worked. So it's really not all that far out.

Same is true for even the Ta-183. I just wish they would have given us the 2nd tail, which is the one that would have worked, instead we got that FM with the 3D model of the more "well known" tail. Ugh.

The only really far fetched plane is the 162D, the forward swept wings would require materials not invented for quite some time. THAT's really pushing things.

It sucks balls that they couldn't give us an uprated 229 though. The 262HG II is using the same engine size (at least on tbe model) but has a more advanced engine in it. The same could slot easily into the 229. And they'd be insane not to - it's just too obvious and too easy.

(but then I suppose one could say the same about MW-50 on the Pfeil as well..... ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Forward swept wings aren't believable and wouldn't work with the materials they had? Good thing nobody told that to the guys that flew and built the Ju-287.

Also, for the 229, really I just wish that in addition to the V series pre production one we have, that they gave us one of the A-0s, bombload and everything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need for bite in the response. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Speaking of the 287 -
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Flight tests began on 8 August 1944, with the aircraft displaying extremely good handling characteristics, as well as revealing some of the problems of the forward-swept wing under some flight conditions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wasn't suggesting that such wings were impossible to build or fly back then, but that the stresses from high speed and/or heavy maneuvering were a bit much. Oleg himself even mentioned this when IL2 46 came out.

Regardint the 229, bombs are useles when everything can outrun you. Granted, they would be nice, but only if the engines were uprated, as they SHOULD be. Then it would be good for carrying bombs as well. Till then, you'd be better off with the Arado anyway. (because it carries more, has better bombing tools, and a tail stinger, which while hard to use does indeed work)