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VFS-22_SPaRX
05-06-2004, 10:00 PM

VFS-22_SPaRX
05-06-2004, 10:00 PM

BaldieJr
05-06-2004, 10:02 PM
Its in the game, it happened in real life, and it helps rotate players off the server.

And revenge for a fallen comrade would be soooooooooooooooo sweet.

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Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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WUAF_Boxer
05-06-2004, 10:07 PM
Well I never chute shoot but I voted yes because I would like to be able to get vulchers back. I mean if they are taking pot shots at us when we're on the ground, then we should be able to make them pay when we shoot them down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. It should be left to the players discretion to do it or not. Just like vulching it's a part of war.

WUAF_MS_Boxer

LeadSpitter_
05-06-2004, 10:11 PM
LEOK squad is respectful 2 of them shot me down and was able to bail, they give you a very close flyby and a waggle of the wings, then others like 335 pegasus who hangs high above our runway vulches people taking off 2-3 times in a row gets annoying when there is only 1 spawn. I seen alot of people get kicked from him.

I was about to land and seen him doing bnzs on people taking off i finally caught up to him shot him down "very tough person to shootdown the way he warps" he bailed and I shot his chute purposely for vulching the reds. Then he got his 3 kill kick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif priceless.

Definatly allow shooting bailers, the majority of the players are cool and will let you bail but the people who deserve it get left hanging in thier chute.

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[This message was edited by LeadSpitter_ on Thu May 06 2004 at 11:36 PM.]

xTHRUDx
05-07-2004, 12:07 AM
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Prof.Wizard
05-07-2004, 12:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Boxer:
Well I never chute shoot but I voted yes because I would like to be able to get vulchers back. I mean if they are taking pot shots at us when we're on the ground, then we should be able to make them pay when we shoot them down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. It should be left to the players discretion to do it or not. Just like vulching it's a part of war.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Same here. Not doing it but voted yes and prefer it on. I really like to see bailing off with my chute... These are a few moments of prayers for my soul, asking for mercy from the enemy that just gunned me down. Afterall, if you are in pairs (or more), he will almost always be busy trying to get or evade your teammates. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

War is war, and parachute-killing was part of its tragedy. THIS SETTING MUST REMAIN ON FOR THE SHAKE OF REALISM! Afterall, not all are doing it.

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CaptainGelo
05-07-2004, 12:54 AM
same here..Never do it..but I think its ok to be able to...it was a part(bad part) of the war........so dont bad it..

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VFS-22_SPaRX
05-07-2004, 04:56 AM
&lt;bump&gt;

LW_lcarp
05-07-2004, 04:59 AM
Um this is a game not WW2. Shooting chutes its just as lame as vulching anyone can do it and think they are a great pilot.

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Billy_BigBoy
05-07-2004, 05:02 AM
Never done it myself, honestly.
But i've been killed myself hanging on a chute. It's no fun I can tell. I wished I had a working gun on my belt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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SeaFireLIV
05-07-2004, 05:08 AM
I`ve never shot a bailer and still won`t. I WOULD shoot a bailer if I knew he had shot me or I saw him shoot a friendly who was hanging in his chute.

But I think it could cause a lot of bitterness, which I don`t believe you guys have considered that might continue off the server.

I would prefer it not on.

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repco
05-07-2004, 05:31 AM
I've never shot a chute either, but I think with the death kick rule it's a valid tactic and should be allowed.

Diablo310th
05-07-2004, 07:20 AM
I have never sht anyones chute before...but can tell u that if it was done to me or one of my buddies I would do it to teh guy who did. Not anyone else tho. I guess it's called revenge and i agree with SeaFire..this is something that could continue with hard feelings off teh server. I vote not to keep it. As far as teh vulching....I made one high speed pass and got teh heck outta dodge. I don't hang over a base looking for spawners. One strafing run and leave.

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BaldieJr
05-07-2004, 07:43 AM
To my feeble mind its all about sportsmanship. If you can't play by the rules set forth by the in-game physics, you really need to consider a new hobby.

No offense, but 'making up rules' is a lot like cheating. You are saying "I refuse to accept the limitations of the game engine and will choose which limitations I will adhere to.". Thats not good sportsmanship.

Thats just my opinion. I guess I'm liberal when it comes to pretending to shoot people in a place that doesn't really exist http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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luftw4ffles
05-07-2004, 08:04 AM
warclouds is a great server. My opinion is that it should be anything goes, including chute shooting. An all out war server is nice. I think MOST people are mature enough not to get "bitter" when they get shot in the silk. Comon there are worse things. Life is so rough.
*cry*

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-07-2004, 09:05 AM
I say "yes" allow chute shooting. Sporting or not, Jumping out of your airplane and hanging from a parachute shouldn't be the FB equivalent of my 5 yo son saying he's made it to "base" while playing tag.

Neither should someone on approach with their gear down and lights on be given sanctuary.

Just my thoughts.



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SKULLS Virga
05-07-2004, 09:23 AM
Not sure how to vote. In WWII weren't there rules against shooting pilots in their chutes? There was just no way or desire to enforce punishment on pilots who did it. I think it should be the same on your server. After the din about this dies down a little I think there will be much less of it anyway. Probably best to let the gentlemen distinguish themselves without the need to make a rule about it. The obnoxious ones (or one in particular) who make a name for themselves by being proud, bragging chute shooters already break the gentleman's game rule anyway.

That having been said - thanks Sparx for giving us a place to fly and putting up with all of our b.s.

gates123
05-07-2004, 09:25 AM
I say let it slide, the consistant chute shooters will become prime targets for many people over the long run

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Cosmonaut.
05-07-2004, 09:43 AM
Seems like you have a difficult task SPaRX, trying to please those here in the forums that play online and those that play online and don't post. From what I've seen most players online don't like being vulched and definitely don't like chute shooters even if its allowed by the server.

I personally never vulch or shoot chutes, for me its just not realistic. I'm sure it happened in real life but can you honestly say the way it works online is realistic. In real life you would have to fly for hours to even see an enemy let alone their airbase and when you died that's it, no 3 deaths five minute ban and then reconnect. Even though it would be realistic, Honestly how many players want to fly that long, get shot down and then get a life time ban from a server? We have to take what we can from real life events and employ them in manner that best promotes realistic behavior online but with out that fear of death we can never attain true realism....well unless you play with a gun to your head.

Taking this into consideration allowing things like fighters to Vulch or Chutes to be shot can lead to an arcade situation and evolve from a flight sim into nothing more than a Flying First Person Shooter, with virtual pilots forgetting about the mission objectives and just going for the pilot kill with the ultimate First Person Shooter high of getting the kill that kicks the player from the server. WarClouds is definitely the best "I've never flown with you before but lets try and complete this mission together" type server I've ever played on and I hope these changes keep that unique atmosphere.

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Eagle_361st
05-07-2004, 09:44 AM
I voted no, I think shooting chutes is the most deplorable action by anyone flying the game. People need to realize that while this is the best WWII flight simulator it is still a game. We do not need to recreate one of the uglier sides of real-life war. There should be a degree of sportsmanship or honor among us virtual pilots. I have on occassion even protected a downed enemy hanging in his chute from these clowns. The way I look at it, is there is no reason for it, other than to be an a$$hole and show off that you shot me down, if you even did. There really is no need for it, in this game. And a word of warning the other night one of our pilots was flying in a server(We will keep it anonymous, it wasn't WC), he was gang banged by a squad of three guys(Who I will also keep to myself). They did this 4 times and each time when he bailed they shot him out of his chute. He told me about it and I proceeded to take all of my availiable pilots into that server, it ended up being 5 total. And we relentlessly hunted these a$$clowns down and pilaged them, and we will do it everytime we see these a$$wipes from now on. Anyone who shoots a 361st pilot pilot out of his chute can expect the same treatment, until they dissapear from online flying on HL. We have never shot anyone in a chute, and we wont start now.

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BaldieJr
05-07-2004, 09:45 AM
Virga,

When one of us farts at your dinner table, feel free to jugde us a ungentlemanly.

Untill then, pilot kills win the maps on scripted servers. It has always been an accepted practice to chute-shoot on scripted servers and fear of deathkick (or worse, avoiding it by using the bail-out/ hit refly instantly when over enemy territory) seems to be putting some pretty lame ideas into some heads.

You can disagree, but please don't make judgement of others.

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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Spin_Doctor
05-07-2004, 09:45 AM
I say no chute shooting. If you're such a lame pilot that you have to kill someone in the chute, then please go elsewhere.

Besides, I don't want Boxer killing me anymore than he already does, lol.

SKULLS Virga
05-07-2004, 09:57 AM
Too late Baldie - I have already judged you. It was however completely unbiased and based only on what you contribute to the community.

P.S. My first post was in no way directed at you in particular and maybe could have been better said.

P.S.S. Don't fart at the table.
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BaldieJr
05-07-2004, 10:25 AM
Don't pull it!

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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Capt_Pepper
05-07-2004, 10:34 AM
Howdy All..

I think it's great that Sparx as the host is willing to even open up the subject for vote. As guests, we could easily have no choice in the matter, not only on this subject, but others as well...yet we do. You are indeed a kind host, Sir, for which I am grateful.

With that said, I have not seen chute shooting to be a rampant problem so far. In fact, it's been pretty rare overall with a few exceptions. It seems to be more the timing of these instances i.e. when they have occurred, that's brought it to the forefront as a problem. From what I've experienced, the vast majority of folks on the server have been very good about it (along with most things of this sort) regardless of team side. I guess that says this same majority are solid believers in good sportsmanship and fair play. Personally, it's certainly one of the biggest reasons why I enjoy the server so much.

However, there are those few from time to time that don't necessarily share with this same spirit of play. When this happens, it tends to ruin the game for most everyone, which is why I've voted to keep the ban in place.

Kind of funny...it's not that I disagree with those who feel it should be allowed. It's just that rules like this keep these sorts of potential problems from becoming bigger ones.

For the record, I'll never intentionally shoot a chute. If there are those who want to shoot mine, go ahead, it's your choice. If you do though, the most likely result will be that my teammates will do their best to hunt you because I'll buy the beer after the matchhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hope everyone has a great day!

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-07-2004, 10:51 AM
I'll "POP" a chute now and then, but only if they bail over their territory.

I don't make a habit of it though.



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VulgarOne
05-07-2004, 11:19 AM
Amazing how worked up people get about the honor of war. Other than a few documented good deeds, for the most part combatants kill each other as fast and anyway they can, it is kill or be killed.

Being in a real life and death situation brings out the worst in people, it is a natural defensive action that has developed since the beginning of time. Many feats have been accomplished in war because someone went off because their best friend or a number of their buddies got killed or a family member. Vengeance in combat is one of the best motivators. Having chute shooting and the physiological effect it would have on the game would be a realistic representation. Nothing like anger and vengeance to steel ones reserves towards offensive and defensive measures.

Cosmonaut. You should read a little history concerning airborne attacks on airbases. They spent days in some cases planning attacks then hours implementing them. The death rate for ground attack was much higher then the death rate from air to air confrontations. Yes they did spend hours just to die. Many people will gladly put their life on the line for a cause they believe in.

Vulgar

_VR_ScorpionWorm
05-07-2004, 11:31 AM
Havent voted yet but it doesnt matter to me. If you that interested in shooting a chute you will probly get shot down yourslef for not paying attention. I really dont have a problem with it seeing as most people who bail hit refly as soon as their chute is deployed. Vulching should only be allowed if the base is the target, other wise some n00b looks at it as easy kills they probably couldnt get in the air. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif Shoot my chute all you want, I dont mind, even if it cost me a life, it allows other players to enjoy this great server. Besides, there have been occasions when my pilot dies while just hanging there and nobodies around. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-07-2004, 11:46 AM
To clarify, shooting someone in their chute does NOT give any points if someone else has already destroyed the aircraft. This practice in ONLY relevant in scripted servers with limited plane/pilot counts.

In these cases, expect some chutes to get shredded.



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LeadSpitter_
05-07-2004, 11:57 AM
what about the people who bail out when they are outnumbered in a fight and rather bail then be shotdown, come on now. None of these sissy rules, honor what a joke in a video game. Respect is different its earned. This is why stupid rules ruin servers.

Its also why many of us enjoyed warclouds anything goes. Theres no sissy lame rules.

Whats worse being vulched 3 times on the ground in the same spot or being shot in the chute once. Also its much easier to explode a plane in one shot using german aircraft, With .50 cal its extremely rare to see it happen. And they always have a chance to bail when thier control cables are snapped

Whats next no vulching with bombs rockets or guns. A plane has to flash its lights before allowed to be engauged come on sparx. theres no honor if both aircraft dont see each other. Sry but warclouds was much better without the death kick or this stupid rule. Now the chat is going to be full of whiners he shot as I was bailing

I was very respectful to your opinion of enemy labels even tho I would have liked to see them off "greatergreens server settings" were a favorite of mine.

But then again its thier server and they do as they choose since they are paying for it.

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SeaFireLIV
05-07-2004, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
And a word of warning the other night one of our pilots was flying in a server(We will keep it anonymous, it wasn't WC), he was gang banged by a squad of three guys(Who I will also keep to myself). They did this 4 times and each time when he bailed they shot him out of his chute. He told me about it and I proceeded to take all of my availiable pilots into that server, it ended up being 5 total. And we relentlessly hunted these a$$clowns down and pilaged them, and we will do it everytime we see these a$$wipes from now on. Anyone who shoots a 361st pilot pilot out of his chute can expect the same treatment, until they dissapear from online flying on HL. We have never shot anyone in a chute, and we wont start now.

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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I like your principles, Eagle. S!

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Cosmonaut.
05-07-2004, 12:38 PM
And I think you should read my post more carefully VulgarOne.

VulgarOne, wrote;
"Cosmonaut. You should read a little history concerning airborne attacks on airbases. They spent days in some cases planning attacks then hours implementing them. The death rate for ground attack was much higher then the death rate from air to air confrontations."

Where have I said that this isn't the case? In fact that is precisely my point, they spent days planning and hours carrying out the mission. We spend just a few minutes flying to the enemy airbase or to the area of the battle so IMO Vulching and shooting chutes doesn't transfer over from real world tactics to online gaming very well.

VulgarOne, wrote;
"Yes they did spend hours just to die. Many people will gladly put their life on the line for a cause they believe in."

And I have no idea how the last two sentences have anything to do with anything I said.

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xTHRUDx
05-07-2004, 12:46 PM
well put, Lead Spitter

Yellonet
05-07-2004, 01:27 PM
Not everybody will do it even if it's ok.

And it's more fun that you have to try and jump from low altitude in order to escape with your life.


- Yellonet

nickdanger3
05-07-2004, 02:19 PM
Never shot a chute, but would if somebody did something VERY uncool (I'll be the judge, thank you very much).

I say keep it legal - ok, it happened. But so did salutes.

If you are a chute shooter, be prepared to become a very unpopular guy.

Huxley_S
05-07-2004, 03:18 PM
O.K. maybe change the message from "X shoots Y hanging in his chute" to "X is c*$!".

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Baco-ECV56
05-07-2004, 04:32 PM
I can´t decide yet, good arguments on both sides.
I tend to feel that enforcing the Ban will avoid further problems.. since I agree that resentfull feelings can last far beyond the DF session between people or squads..

We rarelly shoot chutes (onlly getting revenge for getting shot in one) so if you shoot an ECV-56th, you will find yourself outnumberd fast since every one of us will want your but...

Lead Spitter there is no honor in a game but you can gain respect from palying it??? Come ON!

If you feel that you can gain respect for being good at playing a GAME, then I can belive in Honor among people who play that game.

Sorry I rader be respected for my honor than for my habilities...

Hey its your server enforce whatever rules you want, we´ll keep flying WAR Clouds one way or the other...

VFS-22_SPaRX
05-07-2004, 06:50 PM
Well after reading through the NUMEROUS posts (i think i went thru a case of pepsi reading them all), it seems the majority would like Chute Shooting to be allowed. So i will retract the Rule and it will be allowed. One thing i will say though, if for some reason this gets out of hand, i think we should all re-evaluate the decision. I really do not want a server of "chute hunters". First and formost, gameplay comes first. And if something is ruining the enjoyment factor, then it will need to be dealt with. I don't make a lot of rules. The server has always attracked a very good crowd. Everyone is there to have fun and enjoy the this fine sim Oleg and crew gave us. So i have never really had any need to create many rules. Infact the only rule i can really think of that i enforce is use of "foul" and "vulgar" language. Other then that, the "idiots" target themselves for bans http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

Enjoy the server, and keep tuned in. Like i have said in the past, constuctive comments will always get my attention. And thank you all for making the server a Great place for everyone to get together.

S~

SPaRX

nickdanger3
05-07-2004, 07:06 PM
You're a good guy SPaRX - didn't have to defer to the communities wishes - it is your place after all. Very classy.

Thanks again for your hard work.

KG10_Damien
05-07-2004, 08:19 PM
My late two cents : i loathe chute shooting, and this is why i like that it is allowed. You read me right - Sportsmanship is not a behavior that should be forced on people. If i bail out and someone flies by without shooting me, i'll know that they chosed not to and gain respect for them, as opposed to knowing that they didn't shoot to avoid a ban.

El Turo
05-07-2004, 08:21 PM
Good point, and I agree.

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xTHRUDx
05-07-2004, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KG10_Damien:
My late two cents : i loathe chute shooting, and this is why i like that it is allowed. You read me right - Sportsmanship is not a behavior that should be forced on people. If i bail out and someone flies by without shooting me, i'll know that they chosed not to and gain respect for them, as opposed to knowing that they didn't shoot to avoid a ban.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


well said

Flame_Out
05-07-2004, 09:42 PM
Personally, I have better places to put my ammo other than a parachute, like another enemy plane.

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335th_GRSwaty
05-11-2004, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
LEOK squad is respectful 2 of them shot me down and was able to bail, they give you a very close flyby and a waggle of the wings, then others like 335 pegasus who hangs high above our runway vulches people taking off 2-3 times in a row gets annoying when there is only 1 spawn. I seen alot of people get kicked from him.

I was about to land and seen him doing bnzs on people taking off i finally caught up to him shot him down "very tough person to shootdown the way he warps" he bailed and I shot his chute purposely for vulching the reds. Then he got his 3 kill kick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif priceless.

Definatly allow shooting bailers, the majority of the players are cool and will let you bail but the people who deserve it get left hanging in thier chute.

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LeadSpitter_
05-11-2004, 09:13 PM
Pegasus is an excellent player, he can turn that 109 like no other. I have no problems here or with any of the 335. Everything he does is allowed in warclouds, Im just saying its nice to get revenge on him now and then when Im able to http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I seen a couple of them gunning for my chute which makes it a good rivalry, pegasus is the only person I go for him bailing becuase hes such a hard kill I dont want him in the air. Im usually so quick to hit esc and refly if a 335 shot me down, and they are usually in a group of 3, always on the german side in warclouds.

Also all maps have 2 bases for each side now

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335th_GRSwaty
05-11-2004, 11:56 PM
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OK ,I dont want to discuss the other comment about warping.Pegasus,after 421 sorties at VEF II,and over 500 sorties at two phases of VOW,your are the first one to mention it!
Anyway,about the poll. I never shoot at parashuters (or a landed plane).It's a matter of honor,i dont think that ban is a solution.

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SithSpeeder
05-12-2004, 02:36 AM
Dang...good arguments for both sides. I guess I agree with KG10_Damien...allow it, loathe it, and dictate less.

Perhaps an alternate solution would be to script the planes/pilots ratio to be more like 1 to 3 so that the importance of killing the pilot is significantly reduced and the importance of blasting the plane is elevated? In other words, give a mission objective of killing 33 planes/100 pilots.

Did you guys read the Franz Stigler post http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=991105504 . Sure, not all pilots were like that, especially on the Eastern Front where things were much more brutal. But there is nothing wrong with aspiring to being more gentlemanly.

So for those who get off on shooting a pilot in the chute, let them...just make it count less as far as the game objectives go.

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hos8367
05-12-2004, 04:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SithSpeeder:
Perhaps an alternate solution would be to script the planes/pilots ratio to be more like 1 to 3 so that the importance of killing the pilot is significantly reduced and the importance of blasting the plane is elevated? In other words, give a mission objective of killing 33 planes/100 pilots.
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I don't see how you would lose pilots and not planes. That would just be 33 planes/33 pilots in effect.

About the chute shooting. I play on WC and I don't see it almost at all. No need to make a rule against it.

ElAurens
05-12-2004, 05:10 AM
I got popped in my chute after bailing the last time I was on the server. funny thing is, I was over enemy territory anyway, and would have been captured. Oh well, I just made the offending Bf 110 my personal target for the rest of the night...

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SithSpeeder
05-12-2004, 09:37 AM
Hos--

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I don't see how you would lose pilots and not planes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? You wouldn't lose pilots and not planes--that's the point. Make killing the airplanes much more important, but if someone bails out, shooting them becomes less material to the game.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> That would just be 33 planes/33 pilots in effect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you lost your plane, your pilot can still make it back and then you'd have 32 planes/33 pilots...or more accurately (not just "in effect"), 32 planes/100 pilots. So why shoot pilots (unless you just really want to do it, which this would still allow)?

Maybe I'm crazy? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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