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FlatSpinMan
02-22-2009, 06:01 AM
Here's an odd one for you.

Scenario:
1. One-way only time travel to WW2 is possible.
2. You have 5 weeks to live. There is no cure.
3. You decide to go back in time to World War 2

Which battle/campaign/moment of World War Two would you choose to take part in,knowing full well that you will be dead soon anyway?

You can be a combatant, commander, just a bystander with a ring-side seat.

FlatSpinMan
02-22-2009, 06:01 AM
Here's an odd one for you.

Scenario:
1. One-way only time travel to WW2 is possible.
2. You have 5 weeks to live. There is no cure.
3. You decide to go back in time to World War 2

Which battle/campaign/moment of World War Two would you choose to take part in,knowing full well that you will be dead soon anyway?

You can be a combatant, commander, just a bystander with a ring-side seat.

JG52Uther
02-22-2009, 06:18 AM
VE day,followed by VJ day,probably closely followed by VD day! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

joeap
02-22-2009, 06:21 AM
Ahhh, well since I had a short time to live, I'd have gone back to Pavlov's house (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_House) in Stalingrad and hold out to the last bullet against the fascist invaders.

BSS_CUDA
02-22-2009, 06:33 AM
2 choices. The Battle of Leyte Gulf and specifically the Battle off Samar and T.F. unit 77.4.3 aboard the USS Johnston.

http://www.bosamar.com/usforces/dd557.html

Or the Battle of Surigao Strait aboard any of the US Battle ship that had been sunk at Pearl and raised giving payback to the Japanese.

http://www.angelfire.com/fm/od..._Surigao_Strait_.htm (http://www.angelfire.com/fm/odyssey/LEYTE_GULF_Surigao_Strait_.htm)

FlatSpinMan
02-22-2009, 06:34 AM
That's why that mission was so hard in Call of Duty!

For myself, I'd find it hard to pass up the spectacle of D-Day from the air, or else join in the defence of the Reich just to see what that many aeroplanes in one place looked like.
The Battle of Britain, too.

By the way, this thread isn't meant to belittle the actual participants or the events they suffered through.

Wildnoob
02-22-2009, 07:12 AM
not during WWII, but in the the Battle of Khalkhyn Gol/Nomonhan Incident flying a Ki-27. and in WWII I like more of almost any early war scenario.

Treetop64
02-22-2009, 09:13 AM
Honestly, none of them... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

huggy87
02-22-2009, 09:34 AM
marianas turkey shoot in a hellcat,

that or an Algiers brothel

Wildnoob
02-22-2009, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Honestly, none of them... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agreed. war is nothing cool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

as for my answer, I would had probably burned until death inside a Ki-27 without even a parachute. this if some bullets would not hit my body first and probably even both ways. I love military aviation of all times, but not when it have to used really, to kill human beings.

rnzoli
02-22-2009, 11:36 AM
Well, maybe this will be a bit unexpected, but I would chose not a big battle, but the steady withdrawal of Axis forces from the Ukrainan forests in the Spring of 1944. That's where my grandfather died, while leading a small recon group.

If I had to die in 5 weeks anyhow, I would rather spend that with my granddad before his death. From the letters he wrote to my grandma, he was a great guy, can't image any better way of spending 5 weeks than fighing on his side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and getting to know him a lot better.

Today my son has his parade sword, and values it highly. He took it over after grandma (his grand-grandma) passed away last year.

I_KG100_Prien
02-22-2009, 12:48 PM
Battle of Kursk, with one of the SS Panzer Divisions. Give me the command of a Sturmgeshutze IIIG. Point me at the enemy.

DuxCorvan
02-22-2009, 01:37 PM
How about VE-day "I-have-chocolates-and-stockings-and-war-is-over-baby" battle-on-bed? Because, frankly, I don't want to be in a battle, killing people, seeing atrocious things and being shot in the belly, no matter how glorious it is, or if I have 24 hours to live. Just not the way I want to go.

If I can travel in time, there are better places and times to spend my last five weeks. For example, here, now, with the people I love.

ultraHun
02-22-2009, 02:06 PM
Munich, 1938. That and a Browning.

jamesblonde1979
02-22-2009, 05:35 PM
Sep/Aug 1940.

Just plonk me down at Biggin Hill...

RPMcMurphy
02-22-2009, 06:22 PM
Somewhere in the Normandy region of France June 1944.
I feel like I was there anyway.
May sound like a nutcase, but I have always felt that way about it.

FlatSpinMan
02-22-2009, 07:06 PM
Oh, obviously it would be horrendous in real life and seeing family and loved ones is far better.
But this is not real.

rnzoli - Very interesting story. That must have been a dreadful time. What unit was he with, do you know? Got any pictures of that sword -it must be very treasured?

RPMcMurphy -blue or red? D-Day itself and/or the Bocage battles?

Piren - The epic scale of Kursk and BOB and Defence of the Reich are the things that must have been incredible to see. I find that 50 B-17s, a handful of escorts plus some interceptors looks huge on my monitor but the real thing was far larger. And real.

Leaving aside the horrific side of war for a moment, the spectacle must have been amazing at ties.

I_KG100_Prien
02-22-2009, 07:16 PM
Flatspin,

Reading the book "Armor Battles of the Waffen SS" really paints a picture of what the last days of the Reich were like from the German side of things. Very harrowing and full of desperation. The lack of fuel, the lack of equipment and just trying to stay alive.. This is in the face of the Juggernauts that were the Western and Eastern Allies.

It's something that even words I don't think can really fully describe.

I wager things were similar from the other side of the fence.. Slowly crushing a dwindling enemy that fought bitterly for every meter of ground lost...

SeaFireLIV
02-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Can I go back a 600 years or so to Medievel times or even a couple of thousand to roman times? I`d rather die by the sword... in a very basic kind of way...


To be honest I can`t really think of one I`d like to be in. I mean, i`d do it if I had to, but to voluntarily go back in time to die in battle because I`m going to die anyway? I could do D-day, but get shot in the head as soon as I step off the barge. Or fight the nazis in Soviet russia and freeze to death, get shot, die horribly in a Nazi camp or even get shot by the Soviets...

sigh... there`s just no heroic way to die in a war. Because war is an awful thing. It corrupts and destroys and ruins...

1.In the air... Battle of Britain, in a Spitfire or Hurricane. Seeing thousands of Jerry bombers and desperately trying to stop them would be superlative, just before being hit by an Ace Luftwaffe pilot...

2. Soviet russian in air or on ground defending against the germans at stalingrad or any major Soviet\german battle just to see what it was like before being blown away if it happened. The Russian front always seemed to me the most mad, angry, bitter intense war in WW2. I know it would be ugly. Be sure.

3.On the ground... Fighting at Pegasus bridge as British, probably rear guard action.

FlatSpinMan
02-22-2009, 07:55 PM
That's exactly it, Seafire. Just to see what it would be like. That must be why a lot of us play this, COD etc. We don't want to do it, just experience it at a remove.

jamesblonde1979
02-23-2009, 01:48 AM
Sometimes I would like to experience any of these things. Modern life seems a bit trite and menaingless compared to what I've read in history books.

I'd be happy to take the good with the bad and cast my lot in with the few, whether it be at Agincourt of above the fields of Kent.

DuxCorvan
02-23-2009, 05:13 AM
Oh well, then I'd rather be in a I-15 Chato squadron during SCW. Or hunting alone or in pairs over the skies in 1916, when air war was not yet too sour, chivalry still mattered and the chicks went mad about pilots and champagne.

RPMcMurphy
02-23-2009, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:

RPMcMurphy -blue or red? D-Day itself and/or the Bocage battles?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would put myself in a Higgins boat approaching Pointe du hoc with the U.S. Infantry as part of operation Overlord.

SeaFireLIV
02-23-2009, 07:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesblonde1979:
Sometimes I would like to experience any of these things. Modern life seems a bit trite and menaingless compared to what I've read in history books.

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. It`s nice to have relative peace, but I feel a lot of people today don`t appreciate at all the sacrifice it took to get this relative peace. Millions are dead so others can enjoy their utube, stupid `reality` tv and mobile phones.

Worf101
02-23-2009, 07:50 AM
I guess I'd serve with the 333rd Field Artillery Group at the Battle of the Bulge. An all black unit rushed to Bastogne with others.

http://www.bjmjr.net/ww2/ardennes.htm

Da Worfster

danjama
02-23-2009, 08:48 AM
Agree Seafire. It seems that appreciation and acknowledgement are rare these days. But maybe that's just because we dont really ask everyone about it as a conversation opener. Either way i know where i'm living the people are ignorant and stupid and it annoys the hell out of me. I was born in the wrong city http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Anyway to answer the post. I would like to experience a few different scenarios -

1. B17 crew - Either pilot or gunner, or even bombardier, it doesnt really matter. Imagine flying 10 hours through freezing temperatures with sporadic enemy 190's shooting cannon with the intent of hitting you. Imagine the views. What a contrast. 5 weeks in a B17 in combat, bonding with your crew, taking it all in. That would be epic.

2. Bf109 pilot in the Battle of Britain, July - September.

3. Soviet infantry at Stalingrad. Brutal. What more can i say.

4. German infantry watching the wall as the allies landed on D-Day. What an experience. Nobody can imagine how something of that scale would have looked.

5. Allied soldier at Alamein onwards, with the nazis on their heels.

FlatSpinMan
02-23-2009, 09:05 AM
I agree about the not appreciating what we have syndrome. I'm currently re-reading Max Hastings "Armageddon" about the war in Europe in 1944/45 and quietly giving thanks that my precious wife and daughter are out of harm's way. Some terrible things went down in the final months.
I really think that reading about what others have suffered gives some insight into how privileged our existence is.

I was saying to my wife yesterday when she was complaining about work, just think what our grandparents deemed a good life. A healthy family, a regular job, a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs. You just have to think how ridiculously well off we in the first world are these days to put it in perspective. This goes double for my wife who is Japanese and whose grandparents were bombed out in Kobe and Hiroshima. The weird (and terrible thing) is tat I know far more about what happened than she, and most Japanese adults, do.

From my reading about war(and yes, my pretending behind a computer screen), I have some inkling of how good things are for the westerners today, recession or not.

Danjama - want to try a quick B17 gunner mission? I made it yesterday and no joystick is needed? What an awful task the bombers must have been. Even my 5 minute mission makes that obvious, let alone doing it repeatedly over such a prolonged period.

danjama
02-23-2009, 09:12 AM
Mate i would love to but im off to work in 5 minutes until 10 tonight. What version are you running also? I'm still on 405m until i get paid at the end of this month and then i will buy 1946.

One of my fantasys for il2 was playing as B17 crew but it never happened so had to make do with B25. How have you got this to work?

I am proud to admit that i still have B17 2 installed on my PC for my B17 fix http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

FlatSpinMan
02-23-2009, 09:15 AM
Some other time then. What are you doing these days, anyway?
I use 4.09m beta MODDED. This is they key part. It allows you to fly the heavies. Their FMs are weird though as the main modding site refuses to change Oleg's FM's. Good idea for their idea of not harming the online experience, but a bummer for some of the previously I only planes whose FM's are EXTREMELY CR AP.

Aaron_GT
02-23-2009, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Can I go back a 600 years or so to Medievel times or even a couple of thousand to roman times? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Learning latin would be a pain, though!

Jaws2002
02-23-2009, 12:17 PM
I'd use that time machine to go forward in time not back. Let's say 200 years from now they may have a cure for the ilness that is supose to kill me in 5 weeks.

crucislancer
02-23-2009, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
marianas turkey shoot in a hellcat
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That, or the Battle of Britain (in a Spitfire) for me.

DrHerb
02-23-2009, 01:22 PM
Id go back and become a wrench-bender on a Rolls Royce Merlin or P&W R2800 If I had a choice

danjama
02-23-2009, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrHerb:
Id go back and become a wrench-bender on a Rolls Royce Merlin or P&W R2800 If I had a choice </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be cool. I'm early on in my career but one day i really want to restore a merlin.

FSM - I'm not doing much really. Working for HMV (music store) and in college doing vehicle maintenance/repair. I will definitely be updating to 409 with mods this week at some point so would like to do that mission. Is it right they ise cockpits already in the game also? Rather than making their own?

Kongo Otto
02-23-2009, 04:40 PM
I wouldnt go to a ww2 battle.

I would show up in the biggest Henhouse worldwide, and f until i die of physical exhaustion.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
02-23-2009, 05:55 PM
So many to choose...

Kursk - for the scale of it all, Taranto - for the Hell of it, large Bomber Command night raid - to gain an insight into the experiences of the veterans I've met, Omaha Beach for the same reason, on a carrier with the R.N. Pacific Fleet - a tangible link with my grandfather, with XXX Corps on the way to Arnhem - to see if they could have done better, or looking after the WRENs under Dover Castle - because I'd like to think I'd be rather good at that.

Friendly_flyer
02-24-2009, 04:19 AM
I'd stay the heck away from any major infantry battle. The chance of dying a painful, horrible., drawn out death would be too great. The same goes for naval engagements. The prospect of drowning or fry alive in burning oil isn't really my cup of tea.

Perhaps an aerial scenario might be an OK way to spent my last 5 weeks? Put honestly, I'd rather spend them somewhere quiet with trees and blue sky.

FlatSpinMan
02-24-2009, 07:10 AM
Agreed about the Navy. I can't imagine a worse way to serve. Absolutely NO control over what happens to you unless you're the captain.
imagine your boss today having the power to decide whether you lived or died.
Thank you but I respectfully decline.
Comparable to the poor buggers in the bombers I suppose.


@Danjama -most of the formerly AI only planes do, but some are now getting their own cockpits. There are also some amazing cockpit upgrades for existing flyables.

Crazy_Goanna
02-24-2009, 04:17 PM
The Battle to get to the bar on Victory day!!

Breeze147
02-25-2009, 07:38 AM
If I have to pick one, I want to be with the Army Rangers on D-Day, scaling the cliffs of Pointe du Hoc.

DuxCorvan
02-25-2009, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kongo Otto:
I would show up in the biggest Henhouse worldwide </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

San Francisco? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

F0_Dark_P
02-25-2009, 02:10 PM
The Russian front http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

"I where there last saturday"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/IMGP1322-1.jpg
reenactment picture of me taken with a original leica camera

Breeze147
02-26-2009, 06:37 AM
In all seriousness, if any one of us dropped into the middle of a major WWII battle, we would **** our pants and die of fright.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
02-26-2009, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
In all seriousness, if any one of us dropped into the middle of a major WWII battle, we would **** our pants and die of fright. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed - although having been weaned on pocket sized WWII comics, sunday afternoon WWII movies on t.v. and the reminiscences of my elders and betters, I don't think I'm alone in a knee-jerk form of almost envying them having taken part in great events, far removed from the humdrum existance fate has consigned us to. Living to tell the tale is a luxury not all had, of course. The more you look into it, the starker the realities get, and the greater their sacrifices become apparent. So, yes - let's not lose sight of that.

FlatSpinMan
02-26-2009, 07:57 AM
Isn't it bizarre how much war propaganda we received as kids? I grew up in NZ and so was also a keen reader of Commando, Battle , Biggles and all that.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
02-26-2009, 08:51 AM
Those little comics were everywhere - I liked the Summer Special ones - four stories in one thick volume. I see they're still about - reprinted and at huglely inflated prices.

I had a teacher at junior school who would avidly swap war comics with his pupils from a stock cupboard full of them during lunch time. We'd discuss plot lines and characters like they were literary masterpieces. Also had a German friend of the family who would catch me reading them and say "You know in my comics the Germans always win..." (He was in his thirties, I guess). Sometimes he'd sneak up on me and me and shout "Achtung! Tommies!" Nice guy - sadly no longer with us.

I wonder what effect those comics had on my generation - along with all those Airfix kits we blew our pocket money on - all World War II, of course, only nerds and swots dabbled with the modern stuff. Be interesting to compare favourite toys from 1960's Britain and Germany and how the children that played with them turned out.

SeaFireLIV
02-26-2009, 09:00 AM
Yea,, overdosed on comics like Battle in the early days. The propaganda was\is strong in me! Like he said, we know the terror of war, and yet, it`s hard not to envy and even want to be there accidentally on purpose if you could.

danjama
02-26-2009, 09:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
In all seriousness, if any one of us dropped into the middle of a major WWII battle, we would **** our pants and die of fright. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed - although having been weaned on pocket sized WWII comics, sunday afternoon WWII movies on t.v. and the reminiscences of my elders and betters, I don't think I'm alone in a knee-jerk form of almost envying them having taken part in great events, far removed from the humdrum existance fate has consigned us to. Living to tell the tale is a luxury not all had, of course. The more you look into it, the starker the realities get, and the greater their sacrifices become apparent. So, yes - let's not lose sight of that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well put LF.

Even though the comic stories may have been different endings i am certain many of their toys and models would have been the same as ours!

waffen-79
02-26-2009, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Yea,, overdosed on comics like Battle in the early days. The propaganda was\is strong in me! Like he said, we know the terror of war, and yet, it`s hard not to envy and even want to be there accidentally on purpose if you could. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that right there is sig material mate, BE SURE!

as someone said "war is sweet for those who have no experience of it" (or something like that)

but all in all I really would have wanted to be a pilot flying in the late stages of the western european front o mid stages of the eastern european front

regards

DKoor
02-26-2009, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
Here's an odd one for you.

Scenario:
1. One-way only time travel to WW2 is possible.
2. You have 5 weeks to live. There is no cure.
3. You decide to go back in time to World War 2

Which battle/campaign/moment of World War Two would you choose to take part in,knowing full well that you will be dead soon anyway?

You can be a combatant, commander, just a bystander with a ring-side seat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Since my care for warfare is not really high, I'd choose whatever campaign will offer most non-war related entertainment, booze and women. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

danjama
02-26-2009, 01:31 PM
Hey i believe there was plenty of that in London circa 1940!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif