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Wyrmo
10-27-2005, 04:19 AM
So, what enemy vessels gets on your nerves the most?

For me it's the Flower Corvettes.
For some reason, they ALWAYS manage to pin me and sink me, and they are too small to effectively have torpedoes used against them.

I take destroyers any day, but them I can't stand.

Was thinking of making this a poll, but 5 choices wasn't really enough.

/edit... Odd I can't see this topic in the forum...

Wyrmo
10-27-2005, 04:19 AM
So, what enemy vessels gets on your nerves the most?

For me it's the Flower Corvettes.
For some reason, they ALWAYS manage to pin me and sink me, and they are too small to effectively have torpedoes used against them.

I take destroyers any day, but them I can't stand.

Was thinking of making this a poll, but 5 choices wasn't really enough.

/edit... Odd I can't see this topic in the forum...

Jose.MaC
10-27-2005, 04:42 AM
C2, for sure. They're spawns of Satan! You can fill one of those bastards with all your torpedo load, and will keep sailing awash at 1 knot... but will run away from you, all the crew laughting at you!

Maj_Solo
10-27-2005, 05:27 AM
Destroyers who don't attack me immediately from 6000m, but I have to get dangerously close to them before they wake up and when they do they start with a series of perfect hits on my conning tower. Using completely manual targetting I never even contemplate shooting at a destroyer 5000m away.

I get so frustrated when they don't see me, when they do not pay any attension to me, I have feelings to you know. Not being seen is the worst, being treated as nothing .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

W.Irving
10-27-2005, 05:51 AM
The C2 has my vote too!
Titanium reinforced cast iron hull.

Baldricks_Mate
10-27-2005, 05:55 AM
Two ships, one with deck guns, one without.

I'll go the armed one - its a warship in my book.

Deserves to be sunk!

No, needs to be sunk.

Hell, is begging to be sunk.

In my book they might as well put up a neon sign saying "hey you, yes you - your mother wears army boots.. you and your dumbkopf torpedo's, over here!"

The_Silent_O
10-27-2005, 06:04 AM
Yes, the C2...why oh why do they vex me so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

as Chrystine says "The cockroach of the Atlantic"

W.Irving
10-27-2005, 06:11 AM
Cockroach! Brilliant! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Baldricks_Mate
10-27-2005, 06:14 AM
C2's are a tonnage somewhere between 4500 and 6500 ish depending on mod(s). 14 or so torps on a boat.

One torp just forward of the funnel, aiming about where the red ensign flies.

BOOM!

14 times 4500 = 63000 tonnes

14 times 6500 = 91000 tonnes

Not bad for cockroachs eh?

From small acorns do great oaks (leaves and swords and diamonds and German Cross's) grow.

W.Irving
10-27-2005, 06:17 AM
..while a T3 is >11000 tons.

154000 tons.

Baldricks_Mate
10-27-2005, 06:21 AM
Plenty of C2's, anywhere, anytime - usually as a sitting duck (or cockroach, as you prefer)

If available, T3's are most welcome to receive my compliments as well.

I am an equal opportunity Captain.

doug.d
10-27-2005, 07:23 AM
PASSENGER LINERS!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif because they have so far avoided/eluded me totally through 3.5 careers and even a passenger liner quest! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

To misquote Maj_Solo: "I get so frustrated when they hide from me, when they do not pay any attention to me, I have feelings too you know. Not ever even seeing one is the worst, being treated as nothing ...." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

paulhager
10-27-2005, 07:49 AM
The ones that take more than two torpedoes to sink.

The_Silent_O
10-27-2005, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baldricks_Mate:
C2's are a tonnage somewhere between 4500 and 6500 ish depending on mod(s). 14 or so torps on a boat.

One torp just forward of the funnel, aiming about where the red ensign flies.

BOOM!

14 times 4500 = 63000 tonnes

14 times 6500 = 91000 tonnes

Not bad for cockroachs eh?

From small acorns do great oaks (leaves and swords and diamonds and German Cross's) grow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but, are you using manual targetting. If you don't exactly hit that spot...then you are in for an exercise in torpedo deficit management!

I use manual targeting now...and I'm getting more 'realistic' results with respect to history. Sometimes with rough seas and convoy attacks I come home with only three ships under my belt.

With rough seas, your accuracy is way off...

and with convoy attacks...you have to be real quick with your notepad or your will get noticed by an escort!

It makes the game much more realistic and challenging. I consider a convoy attack successful if I get or wound at least one ship.

macker33
10-27-2005, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wyrmo:
For me it's the Flower Corvettes.
For some reason, they ALWAYS manage to pin me and sink me, and they are too small to effectively have torpedoes used against them.
... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The thing with corvettes is that they could operate in most weather(something to do with the shape of the hull)and unlucky for submarines they had a very tight turn.

Kaleun1961
10-27-2005, 12:35 PM
I would have to say that I dislike carriers, mainly as I've only seen one once, and that one was too far away to effectively hit. Although it is the corvette that seems to have had the most success against me, I begrudgingly pay it respect. It is the Black Swans I hate for some reason, usually because they are so good at spoiling my perfectly laid plan of attack with one of their fortuitous sudden turns. They seem to have the sniffing power of a Georgia bloodhound.

doug.d
10-27-2005, 12:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by macker33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wyrmo:
For me it's the Flower Corvettes.
For some reason, they ALWAYS manage to pin me and sink me, and they are too small to effectively have torpedoes used against them.
... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The thing with corvettes is that they could operate in most weather(something to do with the shape of the hull)and unlucky for submarines they had a very tight turn. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Correct. The Flower class corvettes were converted whalers designed specifically for heavy seas and the radical turning needed to stay with the whales. Their conversion to corvettes was an emergency measure to address a serious shortage of escort ships. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WilhelmSchulz.-
10-27-2005, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by doug.d:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by macker33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wyrmo:
For me it's the Flower Corvettes.
For some reason, they ALWAYS manage to pin me and sink me, and they are too small to effectively have torpedoes used against them.
... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The thing with corvettes is that they could operate in most weather(something to do with the shape of the hull)and unlucky for submarines they had a very tight turn. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Correct. The Flower class corvettes were converted whalers designed specifically for heavy seas and the radical turning needed to stay with the whales. Their conversion to corvettes was an emergency measure to address a serious shortage of escort ships. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No No No. The Flower was known to "roll on wet grass" And they where desinged like that from the dtart. Not whalers.
P.S Its my most hated too.

ILikePortillos
10-27-2005, 01:02 PM
That's the beauty about the Corvette, it's small and maneuverable. That makes it a great offensive weapon. The shallow draft makes it hard to hit, and a great defensive platform. It's only natural that U-Boat Captains would despise it as such.

I heard they bobbed around a lot, causing much sea sickness amongst their crews.

Kaleun1961
10-27-2005, 01:13 PM
Before WW2, Canada had a puny navy. With the onset of WW2 we felt the need for a rapid expansion program so we could pull our weight. The corvette was the perfect ship for us, easy to build in large numbers. A good number of them were built at inland ports on the Great Lakes and then sailed down the St Lawrence Seaway to the Atlantic. Our navy was the third largest at the end of the war, and since we had so many of them, our navy was nicknamed, "The Corvette Navy." That is also the title of a book which deals with the Canadian ASW operations in WW2.

Solar71
10-27-2005, 01:33 PM
the C2 is the hardest to sink for me...

It seems like... If i aim just behind the middle of the boat... not all the way back to the engines... but just behind the center ... sometimes the boat will lose power... and the back end of the boat will get lower and lower... and after about 5 minutes... it just sinks...

but if i miss that spot... im screwed...

Fekin_Von_dEtRi
10-27-2005, 02:11 PM
Hmm, what ships do I hate...

Personally, I hate Elco's as their so low in the water my crew never seem to spot them until they are shooting my hull with one hand and chattering away on the frigging radio reporting my possition to every destroyer in a 1000 mile radius with the other http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I also hate Aircraft Carriers and Battle Ships because I am yet to find either.

Hate Tug boats too, their not worth a HE round, never mind a torpedo, and they create havoc with my TC while submerged http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jose.MaC:
C2, for sure. They're spawns of Satan! You can fill one of those bastards with all your torpedo load, and will keep sailing awash at 1 knot... but will run away from you, all the crew laughting at you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shoot your fish at the fuel section 3m deep, works 99% for me, engine compartment is probably 85% sucess rate too.

Astroboy75
10-27-2005, 02:36 PM
Hmm.. good question.

For me it would have to be either Passenger Liners because they're practically impossible to find(except in the middle of a very heavliy defended convoy and at night AND in rubbish weather http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif )...or T3 Tankers which invariably take 3-4 fish to sink them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

**** them! **** them all!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Wyrmo
10-27-2005, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fekin_Von_dEtRi:


Personally, I hate Elco's as their so low in the water my crew never seem to spot them until they are shooting my hull with one hand and chattering away on the frigging radio reporting my possition to every destroyer in a 1000 mile radius with the other http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Personally, I like Elcos...
They're fun to hunt with the heavy flak... or if I'm in a truly sadistic mode, with 10.5cm HE-rounds.
It's kind of overkill, but oh-so-satisfying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cpt.Thorne
10-27-2005, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Astroboy75:
Hmm.. good question.

For me it would have to be either Passenger Liners because they're practically impossible to find(except in the middle of a very heavliy defended convoy and at night AND in rubbish weather http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif )...or T3 Tankers which invariably take 3-4 fish to sink them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

**** them! **** them all!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should send loving greeting to those passager liners full of soldiers no matter the weather. Learn to love them and sherish the moment even if escorted by 5 Hunter Killer groups. Send them to the loving mermaids.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/Larry_Thorne/bigone.jpg

Personally I hate those early war neutrals that in the middle of the night in stormy weather in perfect surface attack conditions are impossible to recognice and when sent to the bottom every single ship in the area tries to ram you and bombard you with those nasty Wabos

Sunfighter1941
10-27-2005, 08:50 PM
My most hated ship by far is the Nelson. Ive only met one my entire time playing this game. I have 2 torps left and both hit her. She started to list to an amazing angle that defied physics...and still didnt sink..pft last time i play with "realistic damage".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/Sunfighter/nelson11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/Sunfighter/nelson12.jpg

In-freaking-possible!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/Sunfighter/nelson13.jpg
venting my frustration. hehe. also my massive sub tilted her back to normal! GRR!!! and i got shot by a nearby destoryer! RAR!

Fekin_Von_dEtRi
10-28-2005, 01:41 PM
I like the Nelson Battleship, now I finally found one.

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3466/nelsondead1torp35mengineroomhi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

1 torp to the engine room put her to the bottom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Funkasoar
10-28-2005, 11:18 PM
I hate any ship bigger than a C3. Why? Because I only ever see them in convys. And I can't help it. I lose perspective. If I'm being depth charged to death by 5 escorts I won't quit cause I need to bag that bastard. It's even worse when I wound one. Once it's slowed to 2 knots I have to kill it. I justify this by saying "I've already put 2 torps into her. It would be a waste otherwise."

Acunnon
10-29-2005, 05:43 PM
My most hated prey: C2 bastards do not sink. I was very thank full when liberty ships showed up (tin cans).

My most hated hunter: corvets, those sneekie little buggers manage to sneek up on me all the time.

Kaleun1961
10-29-2005, 06:34 PM
C2's are easy to sink. You just need the correct insecticide to sink those cockroaches of the Atlantic: a fish set at 3 metres into the fuel bunker or engine room.

vonPletz
10-30-2005, 07:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Before WW2, Canada had a puny navy. With the onset of WW2 we felt the need for a rapid expansion program so we could pull our weight. The corvette was the perfect ship for us, easy to build in large numbers. A good number of them were built at inland ports on the Great Lakes and then sailed down the St Lawrence Seaway to the Atlantic. Our navy was the third largest at the end of the war, and since we had so many of them, our navy was nicknamed, "The Corvette Navy." That is also the title of a book which deals with the Canadian ASW operations in WW2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"The Corvette Navy"
True stories from Canada's Atlantic War
by James b. Lamb
ISBN 0-7705-1578-9

Great book.

macker33
10-31-2005, 12:50 AM
today my most hated ships are the j-class and c-class destroyers,wont they ever go away and leave me alone,theres a great big battleship up there and its getting away.

Wyrmo
10-31-2005, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
C2's are easy to sink. You just need the correct insecticide to sink those cockroaches of the Atlantic: a fish set at 3 metres into the fuel bunker or engine room. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is the best tip for them I've ever heard http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I must have taken out at least 4 of them that way on my current patrol.
Beats 'em every time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Silent_O
10-31-2005, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wyrmo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
C2's are easy to sink. You just need the correct insecticide to sink those cockroaches of the Atlantic: a fish set at 3 metres into the fuel bunker or engine room. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is the best tip for them I've ever heard http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I must have taken out at least 4 of them that way on my current patrol.
Beats 'em every time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...As I stated above, That all well and good if your solution is 'Perfect' as in automatic targeting.

...Try using manual targeting in rough weather...your solution error goes way high and you hope for at least a hit...

e.g. last night I make a convoy attack...spread two at a T3 in the center row and it goes down immediately. The C2 I attack with two also...both hit at keel. but it keeps on going, bow gets heavy but she's plugging along.

I had to go back twice with single torpedo shots to finally put her under (total of four torpedos). visability good, precip none, but winds at 12 meters per second. Just tough to get a complete solution!

Wyrmo
10-31-2005, 11:51 AM
I've yet to try manual solutions.
Something about them scare me...

Probably because I don't like to do arithmetics while playing games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Silent_O
10-31-2005, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wyrmo:
I've yet to try manual solutions.
Something about them scare me...

Probably because I don't like to do arithmetics while playing games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only arithmatic you have to do is the angle off the bow...That's pretty simple to calculate with the tools on the far right...or, if you are at 90 degrees to his path, then you just subtract your periscope angle from 90 degrees...simple.

...but it is tough to hold things steady in rough weather.

mrky
10-31-2005, 03:26 PM
dd pose no true challenge to me, nor do vettes

for me...

DD = Dead Duck

Vette- engine always stalls http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

i once nuked a vette right in the prop in scapa flow

but wat drives me bonk bonk is going near major ports and not running into anything big

and in 3 years of war i have yet to see a single CV or BB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

blastomatic1759
11-02-2005, 11:18 AM
i really really hate the Fletcher class destroyers, for some reason all my shots so far have bounced off the bow , all the other destroyers ive blasted like this didnt make it , but this one class i hate, theyre like the devil or something.

Maj_Solo
11-02-2005, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Astroboy75:
Hmm.. good question.

For me it would have to be either Passenger Liners because they're practically impossible to find(except in the middle of a very heavliy defended convoy and at night AND in rubbish weather http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif )...or T3 Tankers which invariably take 3-4 fish to sink them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

**** them! **** them all!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

T3s are easy, under keel shot, dont hit center, the most forward point you are allowed to hit is half way between the two structure on deck, And the most aft you are allowed to hit is just at the front of the bridge, if you hit in this rather long section it will happily crack in two and explode.

But I have forgotten where to hit T2s, I am trying but they dont want to blow up ...... I remember they used to go down but I don't remember how I used to do it ..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .... I tend to forget how to kill ships .....

C2s I have two ways, one is underkeel at the backside of the bridge somewhere around where the flag is, they dont crack but they sink real deep, problem is if the weather is good they stay afloat and if the weather is bad they have a chance to sink.

The other C2 shot is underkeel somwhere very near where the bridge begins, then it can break into two pieces and sink on one torp. But even if I know this and shoot perfectly from 400m time after time after time, this only happens in like 10 percent of the time. So I wonder what the guranteed shot is.

W.Irving
11-02-2005, 04:15 PM
It also depends on how skilled the crew is.
I seldom use under-the-keel shots, as I've realised one torpedo to the engine room/fuel bunker is usually enough.

Early war C2's are fairly easy to down. Aim the torpedo right below the funnel, at 3-4 metres of depth.

I wonder, though, how a crack crew would keep the ship from spontaneously disintegrating when a torpedo blast ignites the oil... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Ratek
11-02-2005, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maj_Solo:
T3s are easy, under keel shot, dont hit center, the most forward point you are allowed to hit is half way between the two structure on deck, And the most aft you are allowed to hit is just at the front of the bridge, if you hit in this rather long section it will happily crack in two and explode.

But I have forgotten where to hit T2s, I am trying but they dont want to blow up ...... I remember they used to go down but I don't remember how I used to do it ..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .... I tend to forget how to kill ships ..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What???
I just send a single sideimpact fish at them at default depth and usually they blow and break up. Sometimes they just sink.
I think you guys have been engaging tankers on their way out. They are nasty enough, and should be.

"Sir, we have been hit in tank 4!!!"
"Well, seal it off."
"We have been hit in tank 7 and 1 as well."
"Seal those off too. Should be no problem."
The difference between sailing with water and oil is quite small as long as not all compartments are full.
So tankers are floating torches when full and floating torpedo-eaters when empty. And that is about right.

weedle2005
11-04-2005, 09:45 AM
I agree with Ratek, you guys must have been attacking the empty tankers. Because as he already said full tankers usually blow up after only one torpedoe hit.

My most hated ship is without a doubt the Flower Corvette.

JU88
11-04-2005, 09:59 AM
Elco Torpeedo boats!!!!
Why? because they dont launch fish like theyre supposed to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif, so when I meet one it just makes me depressed, I almost feel sorry for the pathetic little begger as I stare at him down the barrels of my 20mm AA guns http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif