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avimimus
06-23-2005, 01:55 PM
With a small team, Oleg Maddox is almost completely unkown. His plan is to launch a small Russian flight simulator. It will model five variants of an airplain largely unkown in the west. His plan is to release this sim in Russia and then hopefully to release it in the west.

Oleg first becomes known to simmers as a person when he is discovered on message boards, discussing the interviews he just gave at websites and quietly looking for feedback.

It takes many people weeks to realise that this strange knowledgable man, who appears to be a member of the design team is actually the person, lead designer and owner, who is responsible for its creation and future.

Gradually the project expands, new maps, new versions of this strange plane -the Il-2.
Then the Lagg-3 and Mig-3 and a version of the Bf-109. Plans are laid for the Ju-87 as well.

By 2000 the project with it's revolutionary techniques, secret flight model, careful design and attention to detail is well under way.

By 2001 it will be out of control.

With a base of loyal supporters won over by the Oleg revolutionary design philosophy of breaking conventional barriers, connecting with simmers and responding directly to them (which was unheard of) and his apparent and (later proved justified) interest in producing the ultimate sim as a higher goal than pure financial profit and love of flying.

Il-2 Sturmoviks supremacy and ultimate growth until it finally reaches, us, the future which is now today, is clear and history is running in a clear and steady climb into an open sky.

To see the revolution and the features that created our loyalty long before release (eg. the last minute announcement of the FW-190A4 without any bombs), I am including some links to the internet archive from around the turn of the millenium):

http://web.archive.org/web/20000423035334/combatsim.com/htm/jan99/IL-2.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/19990418094048/www.combatsim.../htm/jan99/IL-2c.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/19990418094048/www.combatsim.com/htm/jan99/IL-2c.htm)

http://web.archive.org/web/20000303202826/www.combatsim...htm/feb00/il22-1.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20000303202826/www.combatsim.com/htm/feb00/il22-1.htm)

http://web.archive.org/web/20010610224241/www.bluebyte....l2-e/default.asp?id= (http://web.archive.org/web/20010610224241/www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/default.asp?id=)

http://web.archive.org/web/20001119132700/www.bluebyte....l2-e/default.asp?id= (http://web.archive.org/web/20001119132700/www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/default.asp?id=)

-Avimimus

avimimus
06-23-2005, 01:55 PM
With a small team, Oleg Maddox is almost completely unkown. His plan is to launch a small Russian flight simulator. It will model five variants of an airplain largely unkown in the west. His plan is to release this sim in Russia and then hopefully to release it in the west.

Oleg first becomes known to simmers as a person when he is discovered on message boards, discussing the interviews he just gave at websites and quietly looking for feedback.

It takes many people weeks to realise that this strange knowledgable man, who appears to be a member of the design team is actually the person, lead designer and owner, who is responsible for its creation and future.

Gradually the project expands, new maps, new versions of this strange plane -the Il-2.
Then the Lagg-3 and Mig-3 and a version of the Bf-109. Plans are laid for the Ju-87 as well.

By 2000 the project with it's revolutionary techniques, secret flight model, careful design and attention to detail is well under way.

By 2001 it will be out of control.

With a base of loyal supporters won over by the Oleg revolutionary design philosophy of breaking conventional barriers, connecting with simmers and responding directly to them (which was unheard of) and his apparent and (later proved justified) interest in producing the ultimate sim as a higher goal than pure financial profit and love of flying.

Il-2 Sturmoviks supremacy and ultimate growth until it finally reaches, us, the future which is now today, is clear and history is running in a clear and steady climb into an open sky.

To see the revolution and the features that created our loyalty long before release (eg. the last minute announcement of the FW-190A4 without any bombs), I am including some links to the internet archive from around the turn of the millenium):

http://web.archive.org/web/20000423035334/combatsim.com/htm/jan99/IL-2.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/19990418094048/www.combatsim.../htm/jan99/IL-2c.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/19990418094048/www.combatsim.com/htm/jan99/IL-2c.htm)

http://web.archive.org/web/20000303202826/www.combatsim...htm/feb00/il22-1.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20000303202826/www.combatsim.com/htm/feb00/il22-1.htm)

http://web.archive.org/web/20010610224241/www.bluebyte....l2-e/default.asp?id= (http://web.archive.org/web/20010610224241/www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/default.asp?id=)

http://web.archive.org/web/20001119132700/www.bluebyte....l2-e/default.asp?id= (http://web.archive.org/web/20001119132700/www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/default.asp?id=)

-Avimimus

Cragger
06-23-2005, 02:03 PM
Aye, thanks for the links and history. While I reserve to hold my opinions about certain things I still respect Oleg Maddox for making the best combat flight game out there to date.

Sometimes people around here need to take a reality break. Seems everyone expects things to be perfect and demands 'adjustments'. Amazing he still comes around once in a while to answer posts though not surprising in the long lapses in between. Still better than me, I would have told this forum to stuff it long ago had I been in his shoes.

avimimus
06-23-2005, 02:06 PM
Btw. I remember there were some videos release through "frugal's world of sims" and other interesting things around '99.

If anyone wants to add to this tribute to Oleg and the greatest of all sims please feel free.

Also any recollections of the old days before Il-2 got "www.il2sturmovik.com" would be nice to hear.

S!
-Avimimus

crazyivan1970
06-23-2005, 02:09 PM
Good ole times, great find mate, thanks.

avimimus
06-23-2005, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cragger:
Aye, thanks for the links and history. While I reserve to hold my opinions about certain things I still respect Oleg Maddox for making the best combat flight game out there to date.

Sometimes people around here need to take a reality break. Seems everyone expects things to be perfect and demands 'adjustments'. Amazing he still comes around once in a while to answer posts though not surprising in the long lapses in between. Still better than me, I would have told this forum to stuff it long ago had I been in his shoes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So true!
Most of these ancient links are from toward the end of development, the original information before this 'golden era' seemed less promising, ...but people were at least satisfied. I find the appearance of people who 'discovered' Il-2 in 2004 and then complain about how they've been ripped off or how Oleg should ignore Russian content and focus on American aircraft just a little appalling.

I guess when promises turn out to be miracles people come to expect too much (interesting possible connection to religious history here).

Anyway, here is An idea:

What Oleg (and we) need is a managerial class of volunteers. Hand picked much like admins, except they would respond to questions and compile bug information, research and suggestions.

The whole system could be overviewed by people trusted by Oleg and would streamline and produce more effective contact because they could compile and update reports.

They could focus on different areas (eg. FM, missions) and ensure that questions got answered, good feedback got noticed and useless whines and/or ill-thought-through/un-realistic or other time-wasting requests/complaints were filtered out.

stubreez
06-23-2005, 03:01 PM
Really dont want to sound all "I was here first" and all(far from it!),but as a many platform/multi style gamer, i spotted il2 early on as a blinder,and tho i dont really play online much, I have for long appreciated the user support for this series. So much input has been listened to, and there really hasnt been much I could fault. Whilst others scrap along with ww2 military "sims" of different types (fps,rts etc)The il2 series has long been for me,the ONE!
Fantastic stuff, I only wish my grandad were alive to fly with me! Cant wait for Battle of Britain so i can recreate Ramsgate.

(ps i`m 32 ,is there any other skateboarders playing Pacific Fighters? middle age shred.com)

avimimus
06-23-2005, 03:09 PM
Your welcome (to CrazyIvan and others).

Reading this stuff again is causing me to just begining to realise how lucky we are (flyable I-16, La-5, Fw-190, He-111 alone seems to be a blessing).

Who could believe that Il-2 would be ending its life with the Il-10 expansion (the first one ever planned) a full five years later?

Here is a link to all of the Archives of the original site (note the ones after August 2001 or so are just links to this site -though its early versions are interesting too):
http://web.archive.org/web/*re_/www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/default.asp?id=

Check out the Beta test section!

Interesting quotes from Oleg about modeling the Ju-88 with only pilot and dorsal gunner as a possibility. If anyone finds a way to recover the forums it would be very interesting...

stubreez
06-23-2005, 03:22 PM
sorry.carry on.

VW-IceFire
06-23-2005, 03:50 PM
I think its safe to say that even I haven't recently appreciated the long standing that this game and its development team has.

I think we've been through a lot. And its been great overall! We keep taking huge leaps forward.

Bearcat99
06-23-2005, 07:59 PM
This is great... this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. What blows me away is.... Avimimus.. you registered in November of 01.... yet you have 316 posts... how did you resist? LMAO!!!!

I first saw IL2 when it forst came out but I was in CFS1 and I read the box... and my PII 233MHZ wasnt cutting it.. as soon as I upgraded (for CFS3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) I got IL2 and I've been here since.... Though not perfect, it continues to blow my mind how some people just cant see that forest......... This sim is hands down the most amazing single pice of "gaming" (which actually doesnt do it justice...) software ever made IMO. I wonder how many people here gained a very broad understanding of history, aircraft, ballistics, engineering, PCs, applications like.... Photoshop, Paintshop etc, the internet, life in other places etc. all as a direct result of spending that original $49 for IL2? I know I am one... the history was always a thing of mine.. but this sim opened it up wide and in totally unimaginable ways.... It is so much more that a piece of software for many many people..and revolutionary doesnt do it justice either.

altstiff
06-23-2005, 08:11 PM
As an avid GPL'er since 1998 many GPL guys were playing the original IL-2 demo so it was what got me hooked.

Old_Canuck
06-23-2005, 11:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by altstiff:
As an avid GPL'er since 1998 many GPL guys were playing the original IL-2 demo so it was what got me hooked. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A long time ago, a co-worker gave me an IL2 demo disk because he heard I was a CFS2 fanatic. I hated it. Couldn't take off. Too many buttons to learn. Didn't look real with all those gauges in the open sky. I went "Pfffftt" and dove back into CFS2.

But we kept losing well-known sim jockeys from the CFS2 forum and their parting words were usually something like "I'm going back to IL2 now lol." Then I discovered this forum and lurked here for months and decided to take the plunge -- bought the CD -- learned how to set up the joystick (thanks to this forum) -- found a mission called Checkride and that was the first one I made a decent (immersive) landing in. I was hooked.

M$ got a lot of people interested in flight simming but their bottom line is the dollar not the promotion of the combat sim genre. As a one time pilot who knows he'll never fly another real plane, I'm not ashamed to show my gratitude to Oleg and Team for their dedication and passion for this genre because it brings back the feeling of flight IMAO.

buglord
06-24-2005, 12:23 AM
yep i got the demo in 2001 then started to learn to skin in 2002 this game has taught me a lot of things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/mrbuglord-myheader1.jpg

LEXX_Luthor
06-24-2005, 12:45 AM
A Classic...

Can anybody find the old interview where Oleg says FB 1.0 will require *both* CDs for game disk~check? That was just a joke, but I heard it ignited a Riot not seen again until teh Luft simmers saw the first pre~releace screenshots of TB-3/I-16 combination, thought it was a 1946 Russian thing, and Panicked.

KG26_Alpha
06-24-2005, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This is great... this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. What blows me away is.... Avimimus.. you registered in November of 01.... yet you have 316 posts... how did you resist? LMAO!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If your going to post something post something nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And he did..............and for that I thank you..

S!

Jetbuff
06-24-2005, 02:51 AM
And the number one reason I'm still flying this sim 4 years later?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">By Oleg Maddox when asked about add-on aircraft:
But it is possible only for experienced in 3D graphics, home developers and fans of flight sims, because our models are very complex. In this case, we'll certificate their models and program ourselves FM, DM and working cockpit gauges. As I think, these models we'll offer for free downloading. We have released already the first initial development doc for such simmers, and several home developers have already begun such production. It is necessary to keep programming in our hands to get only correct flight data and features of each new plane model and to escape such situations when user made WWII planes begin to fly like a spaceship with nuclear weapon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers aviminus for the cool links, bring back memories. At first I didn't even consider switching from Jane's F/A-18 (I had just discovered HyperLobby too) but just one ride in the IL-2 in the demo's QMB won me over. But that was a long time ago, I mean HL's IL-2 room didn't even need scroll-bars for player names back then! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Boy have we come a long way since then.

Of course, it makes you wonder. If the original preview pics sucked so bad, (and they did, even compared to the demo) and things got progressively better with each patch and add-on, how frickin' awesome will BoB end up being given that the current previews are already mind-blowing? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

jurinko
06-24-2005, 04:26 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20000829020811/combatsim.com/htm/jan99/jpg3/il2-2.jpg

hey I want these ground textures, now!

F19_Ob
06-24-2005, 04:34 AM
Looong way of development. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

anarchy52
06-24-2005, 04:58 AM
You noticed it too...

Bearcat99
06-24-2005, 05:11 AM
Yeah but..... FB4.01 sucks.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif the DMs are terrible...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Why so many planes..? Wheres my flyable XXX? Why not get one right?.....Wher's my shipssss? Whats the matter with 1C cant they get it right.... Wheres my map of the Fiji.....? It's too haaaaarrrrrrrddddd. waaaaaahhhhhahaa waaaaahhhhhhh waaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Look at the progress...... Stevie Wonder can see how great this sim is and how far it's come... and he's blind....... h@ll Ray Charles can see it!! He's not only blind.. but he's DEAD!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Look at those early models compared to wat we have now....


Im lovin every bit of it.....

avimimus
06-24-2005, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
This is great... this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. What blows me away is.... Avimimus.. you registered in November of 01.... yet you have 316 posts... how did you resist? LMAO!!!!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

The number of posts is easy to explain (and in doing so brings up the history of this forum).

First Oleg stopped answering regularly (at one time he answered every question and then Luthier took over answering questions, after that it was Uberdemon, then almsot no one for a while.

Then Il-2 was actually released there was a flooding of the message boards, with general hyper activity. The forum at that time was also completely un-moderated leading to chaos, politics and shoot-outs as well as a general mess.

So many of us took part in the great diaspora leaving for Simhq, online squads or the calm backwaters of Il-2center.com (luthier's site) where I and some others racked up 1000 posts.

Finally other projects (like modding helo sims), exhaustion and events IRL effect most of us.

I still remember first meeting Oleg at http://www.combatsim.com, around two years before release. I asked him for a black and white phot-recon system with cameras for the player to use.
I, still haven't given up!

Here are some links to the early days of Il-2 center:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011202072704/http://il2center.com/

Cold_Gambler
06-24-2005, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jurinko:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000829020811/combatsim.com/htm/jan99/jpg3/il2-2.jpg

hey I want these ground textures, now! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Me too!
WOW... My guess is that they either didn't look as good down low (like CFS/FS) or were a huge drain on CPU/GPU cycles and so got dumped. But still... WOW- looks SOOOOOO nice!
Nice thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

sapre
06-24-2005, 08:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by avimimus:
With a small team, Oleg Maddox is almost completely unkown. His plan is to launch a small Russian flight simulator. It will model five variants of an airplain largely unkown in the west. His plan is to release this sim in Russia and then hopefully to release it in the west.

Oleg first becomes known to simmers as a person when he is discovered on message boards, discussing the interviews he just gave at websites and quietly looking for feedback.

It takes many people weeks to realise that this strange knowledgable man, who appears to be a member of the design team is actually the person, lead designer and owner, who is responsible for its creation and future.

Gradually the project expands, new maps, new versions of this strange plane -the Il-2.
Then the Lagg-3 and Mig-3 and a version of the Bf-109. Plans are laid for the Ju-87 as well.

By 2000 the project with it's revolutionary techniques, secret flight model, carefull design and attention to detail is well under way.

By 2001 it will be out of control.

With a base of loyal supporters won over by the Oleg design philosophy of breaking barriers, connecting with simmers and responding to them (which was unheard of) and his apparent and (later proved justified) interest in producing the ultimate sim as a higher goal than pure financial profit and love of flying, Il-2 Sturmoviks supremacy and ultimate exponential growth until it reaches, us the future of today, is clear and history is running in a clear and steady climb into an open sky.

To see the revolution and the features that created our loyalty long before release (eg. the last minute announcement of the FW-190A4 without any bombs), I am including some links to the internet archive from around the turn of the millenium):

http://web.archive.org/web/20000423035334/combatsim.com/htm/jan99/IL-2.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/19990418094048/www.combatsim.../htm/jan99/IL-2c.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/19990418094048/www.combatsim.com/htm/jan99/IL-2c.htm)

http://web.archive.org/web/20000303202826/www.combatsim...htm/feb00/il22-1.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20000303202826/www.combatsim.com/htm/feb00/il22-1.htm)

http://web.archive.org/web/20000303202826/www.combatsim...b00/il22-1.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20010610224241/www.bluebyte....l2-e/default.asp?id= (http://web.archive.org/web/20010610224241/www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/default.asp?id=)''

http://web.archive.org/web/20001119132700/www.bluebyte....l2-e/default.asp?id= (http://web.archive.org/web/20001119132700/www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/default.asp?id=)

-Avimimus </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

REAL interesting read...
Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

avimimus
06-24-2005, 09:05 AM
Glad to hear it! Now...I just found another gold mine!:

Typical (look who posts on a forum which has only three threads):
http://web.archive.org/web/20010406215031/www.pcarena.c...um7/HTML/000002.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20010406215031/www.pcarena.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000002.html)

Must have previews:
http://web.archive.org/web/*re_/http://il2.sim-arena.com

And the videos!:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010116004500/il2.sim-arena.com/vids.html

Mind you the downloads are a bit big on a 14.4k modem!
-Avimimus

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-24-2005, 09:13 AM
Cool to read this info from those "early years". Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same. Oleg has been true to his word...and heart. For that I'm thankful.


Thanks for those links.


TB

F_vonIzabelin
06-24-2005, 09:15 AM
heh, I bought il-2 3 months after it came out. It was 2001? wans;t it, I got brainwashed during that time.
I loved it, I swore on it, I bought 3 joysticks one after one, I fell of my chair when I got the p11c, etc...

Then FB came out, many new planes,and then it got worse and worse... super planes, like go-229, komet etc.. who the hell needs that, 200+ planes which are not finished, and not the class of the frist party of il-2 planes.
We really don;t need 200 planes (and types), (I knwo Oleg needs it on the box), we need max 25 flyable planes (+ some types) with FM and moddeling ,that will kill me like il-2 Sturmovik did, when I got it.

avimimus
06-24-2005, 10:41 AM
Sigh.. well at least I was greatfull to get the Go-229 (it was the airplane that got me interested in airplanes and flight sims aka. SWOTL)

Anyway you'll get what you want in BOB.

But only if you want too, everyone kind find something wrong (eg. no Hs-123, AI problems, bridges and trains that are made out of paper).

Here's to Oleg, BOB and a good attitude!

P.S.
F_vonIzabelin if you don't like the new FM and PF you can always go back to Il-2 V1.2 or V1.0!

Capt._Tenneal
06-24-2005, 11:24 AM
Heck, Five years is nothing ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Total Annihilation community is thriving 8 years after the original game was released. Maybe, same thing with the Unreal and Half-Life communities. The IL-2 series still has a bit more life in it !

Buzzsaw-
06-26-2005, 01:30 PM
Salute

I remember seeing those interviews when they came out.

That was the time that Oleg was available for discussion on the forums almost continuously. You could post something, and he'd reply immediately, and his response would be detailed and revealing.

At that time, everyone was very respectful and pleasant.

JG5_UnKle
06-26-2005, 03:39 PM
Been with this sim since the demo and joined JG5 in Jan 2002... seems like yesterday

Hyperlobby, these forums and the sim have changed so much in that time.

Nice links http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-26-2005, 03:47 PM
wow. This stuff is way before I discovered IL". Makes me feel like a total newbie. Good stuff.