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Chuck_Older
03-06-2005, 07:48 PM
As a kid, my Grandad, who was an air raid warden in WWII, gave me a coloring book once:

Flying Aces of WWI

I don't know where it is now...I know I didn't get rid of it. It was (is) a curious book. In it I learned about Werner Voss, Billy Bishop, Eddie Rickenbacher, 'Mick' Mannock, Charles Nungesser and others. I think it's what made me interested in aviation.

One notable exception in that book, it turns out, was Ernst Udet. High scoring WWI ace, seer of the the future of the dive-bomber, film star.

They say he could 'pick up a handkerchief off the ground with his wingtip'

Also, an architect of the downfall of the Luftwaffe, unknowingly, and a suicide.

I find him a fascinating subject. Are there any books about Udet? He's mentioned in many books I have read; but he always seems a colorful addition rather than a main character. His life easily could provide the nucleus of a good book, but I know of none

wayno7777
03-06-2005, 08:18 PM
Chuck, I think there's one at Historic Aviation.com Be back in a couple...


There two books... German Aces of World War I
Richthofen's Flying Circus

The first gives all aces from Richthofen down to 5 vic aces.
The second may hve more info about him as I think he took over after Richthofen's death. ( or was it Goering?)

p1ngu666
03-06-2005, 08:53 PM
im fairly sure there is
and he was a extremely good pilot. never saw him fight, but he did MENTAL areobatics. real http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

it was said he should have died 1000times or something, he did stuff THAT dangerous. think he was a decent bloke too.

saw some footage of his exploits in planes, really omg i dont belive he did that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif!

F19_Ob
03-07-2005, 05:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:

They say he could 'pick up a handkerchief off the ground with his wingtip'

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There are several old films wich displays this act since it was a standard trick on many of his display flights. I have seen several on TV.
He also used to roll his biplane very low and fly inverted almost touching the ground with his fin.
In a few later documentaries they have this fotage aswell.

EURO_Snoopy
03-07-2005, 05:37 AM
Checkout Leni Riefenstahl Video Downloads (http://www.riefenstahl.org/downloads/video-fanck.html) scroll about half way down for a film featuring Ernst Udet flying, also two other clips on the same page.

perioikos
03-07-2005, 07:26 AM
He had an autobiography (written by the 30's?) ... read it a long time ago, titled "Du Doch Nicht" (Certainly Not You -- had it painted on the tailplane of his a/c in WWI)

Been a long time, and I don't remember much else about it.

Brotrob
03-07-2005, 07:35 AM
Hello,

a must read for interests on Udet is his Book "Mein Fliegerleben", in english "my aviation-life".
It includes many photos and tells you the most interesting stories about his time in WWI, as an acrobatic flyer and stunt-pilot between the wars and about his safari-adventures in africa. There you can also see why lions should not try bringing down aircraft, and why aircraft should avoid flying near the ground when there is a lion mother with babies.

Good read !

Greetings,

Brotrob

p1ngu666
03-07-2005, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:
Checkout http://www.riefenstahl.org/downloads/video-fanck.html scroll about half way down for a film featuring Ernst Udet flying, also two other clips on the same page. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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PraetorHonoris
03-07-2005, 09:31 AM
There is a drama by Carl Zuckmayer about Udet's last years, his disbeliefs and resistance against the Nazi regime, and a movie based on this drama.
The titel is "Des Teufels General" (The Devil's General).

Both are very good. I think the film was even translated, but I am not sure.

Slickun
03-07-2005, 11:47 AM
There is an autobiography out there. This is strictly from memory, but I think it is titled something like "An Ace Of the Iron Cross" or something like that.

It basically covers his WW1 years. There is a riveting account of his dogfight with Georges Guynemer.

I think I still have it, let me look tonight.

FoolTrottel
03-07-2005, 12:46 PM
A pic from the book Brotrob mentioned.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Udet01.jpg

Chuck_Older
03-07-2005, 02:05 PM
Wow, thanks for all the info

dugong
03-07-2005, 05:56 PM
I remember reading a story in the Red Baron II book about Udet and a French ace facing off. Both of them stated it was the toughest battle each had fought. The narrative was absolutely spellbinding. One of them ran out of ammo or a gun jammed. The other pilot, with a breathtaking act of chivalry flew alongside, rocked the wings in salute, and flew home.

I think that is where I read the story and I think Udet was involved. I can't remember which pilot ran out of ammo either. My memory is skethcy. Even if my memory is a little foggy, the story was incredible.

Can anyone elaborate?

Brotrob
03-08-2005, 03:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Originally posted by dugong:
I remember reading a story in the Red Baron II book about Udet and a French ace facing off. Both of them stated it was the toughest battle each had fought. The narrative was absolutely spellbinding. One of them ran out of ammo or a gun jammed. The other pilot, with a breathtaking act of chivalry flew alongside, rocked the wings in salute, and flew home.

I think that is where I read the story and I think Udet was involved. I can't remember which pilot ran out of ammo either. My memory is skethcy. Even if my memory is a little foggy, the story was incredible.

Can anyone elaborate?
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Hello dugong,

the dogfight you mentioned is described in many books, also in Udets autobiography.

In may 1917 he flew alone in an Albatros DIII and met a lone french Spad VII. They circled arond each other and Uded wrote he could see the face of the pilot and the words "vieux charles" in black on the linen Spad. Thus he concluded it must have been the french as des as, Georges Guynemer, at that time with roughly 30 victories (In september 1917 Guynemer died after scoring 53 victories). After some minutes of fighting, Uded realised: "Not only the machine above me is better, but the man sitting in it can do more than I.". But suddenly he managed to get in shoting position, and as he pressed trigger, a gun jam occured. He stayed in the fight, hammering on his guns to make them work again. The french saw it, flew alongside Uded, saluted and flew away.

This story is offten told when one wants to illustrate the differend code of honour and chivalry that existed in WWI arial-combat.

Best Greetings,

Brotrob

CapBackassward
03-08-2005, 04:05 AM
go here; Udet vs. Guynemer page.

http://www.flyandrive.com/story2.htm

Rick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kupper
03-08-2005, 06:40 PM
Very slightly O.T., but remember the movie "The Great Waldo Pepper" ? I've always thought that the "Ernst Kessler" character must have been based on Udet.

Daiichidoku
03-08-2005, 07:23 PM
before he had his infamous Fokker D VII, the one with the "lozenge" wing pattern and red fuselage, with his wife's nickname "Lo!" on the side, he flew a Fokker Triplane, again with "Lo!" written on the side, but with an interesting black and white diagonal pattern painted all over it..this was done by the former "owner" of that particular plane (I cannot recall the pilot now), and kept by Udet...it was claimed that this particular pattern produced an optical illusion, and made attackers continually miss to the port side of the Triplane