PDA

View Full Version : World War One Footage



lusitania2005
11-07-2006, 04:02 PM
Here is some footage and a song about the Lusitania.


When The Lusitania Went Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_bw9Z1UHJ0)



-----------------------------------

lusitania2005
11-07-2006, 04:02 PM
Here is some footage and a song about the Lusitania.


When The Lusitania Went Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_bw9Z1UHJ0)



-----------------------------------

lusitania2005
11-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Does anyone know what battleship that is that falls on it's side with hundreds of people running along her hull?

Also I remember seeing footage ages ago of a battleship falling on it's side then blowing up. Does anyone know what that ship was?



----------------------------------------

comanderFritz
11-09-2006, 02:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C06w7tS7p-Q

not same ship but same class<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m65/tuddley3/usaCa.gif http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/944/signaturexl5.jpg http://www.ashlandalliance.com/assets/images/kentucky_flag_waving.gif
http://4thflotilla.proboards49.com/index.cgi
http://hosted.filefront.com/comanderfritz/

Bootsmann0815
11-09-2006, 03:07 PM
Listed in both Jane's and it's German equivalent as RN Auxiliary Warship.
False (US) flag in a war zone.
Ammunition and detonators in the cargo space.
Passengers warned by German newspaper ad right next to Cunard's Notice of Sailing.

In my opinion Lusitania deserved to go down, and the responsibility for the horrific loss of life rests fairly and squarely with Cunard, and the British and American governments. Was Wilson looking for an excuse to commit the USA, as Roosevelt would in the following war?

And of course Schwieger could have had no idea that a single torpedo would sink her straight away.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Use the vertical!

lusitania2005
11-09-2006, 03:19 PM
But in the 1990's Ballard (Titanic Discoverer) searched the wreckage of the Lusitania, and found that it was the sudden burst of coal dust that caused her side to be blown out.

comanderFritz
11-09-2006, 03:42 PM
coal dust destroyed her (thanks to ballard we know this i do not like ballard though) however due to the warning in the paper it is no major tragety and i do not blam the kptlt or the german gov it was exploited by the british propaganda though<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m65/tuddley3/usaCa.gif http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/944/signaturexl5.jpg http://www.ashlandalliance.com/assets/images/kentucky_flag_waving.gif
http://4thflotilla.proboards49.com/index.cgi
http://hosted.filefront.com/comanderfritz/

FongFongFong
11-09-2006, 04:01 PM
coal dust is just a popular cover

conspiry theorists have long held
that she carried munitions.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/rupertlittlebear/tnuke.gif

lusitania2005
11-09-2006, 04:06 PM
I have nothing against Ballard personally, but I do believe that your supposed to salvage as much historical pieces of a wreck, rather than have it wrot on the sea bed till theirs nothing left.



-----------------------------

Bootsmann0815
11-09-2006, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FongFongFong:


conspiry theorists have long held
that she carried munitions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That munitions and detonators were on board are not just a conspiracy theory. Cunard's official manifest mentions them, and it's available for inspection at the Public Records Office, Kew Gardens, London.
What is not so clear is whether they, or, as Ballard claims, coal dust was responsible for the explosion. At any rate, it was an unexpectedly strong secondary explosion and not the original torpedo impact.
As for preserving historical evidence, that's extremely controversial. It is a war grave, after all. I think all the evidence needed has been obtained already, so let her rest in peace.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Use the vertical!

Kaleun1961
11-09-2006, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lusitania2005:
Does anyone know what battleship that is that falls on it's side with hundreds of people running along her hull?

Also I remember seeing footage ages ago of a battleship falling on it's side then blowing up. Does anyone know what that ship was?



---------------------------------------- </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HMS Barham. She was torpedoed in the Med; forget which sub/Kaleun but offhand I think it was Thiessenhaussen? Anyhow, I once saw it on Google Video. It may still be there if you search for it?

Edit: I just looked at the link in Fritz's post and saw it was Barham.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/K-61/Miscellaneous/K61-cropped.jpg

Bootsmann0815
11-09-2006, 05:59 PM
And yes it was Kptlt. Freiherr Hans-Diedrich von Tiesenhausen (U331).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Use the vertical!

Celeon999
11-10-2006, 02:29 AM
To the Lusitania :

There was an official investigation into her sinking after the war.

This brought to light that she was indeed illegaly carrying gunpowder, rifles and grenades to Britain.

I think the only ones who are really to blame are the owners of the Lusitania.

The passengers were (of course) not informed that their cruiseship was illegaly smuggeling weapons to europe.

Of course the captain of the u-boat did also a mistake by misidentifying the Lusitania as being a troop carrier.

Its an historical irony that the civil ship he torpedoed was indeed a military target at the same time.


Wikipedia says this :


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Germans immediately claimed that the Lusitania sank so quickly because the torpedo hit munitions being secretly carried on board, causing the second explosion. The Allies denied that the Lusitania was carrying any explosives and claimed that the sinking was yet another example of the "barbarity" of the German war machine, particularly in the context of Germany's actions in occupied France and Belgium.

British documents later confirmed the German assertion that the ship was carrying munitions. Also, after the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt the secret copy of the ship's manifest that had been given to Woodrow Wilson also came to light. By international law, the presence of military cargo made the Lusitania a legitimate target. Included in this cargo were 4,200,000 rounds of Remington .303 rifle cartridges, 1250 cases of shrapnel 3 inch (76 mm) shells, and eighteen cases of fuses; however, the materials listed on the cargo manifest were small arms and the physical size of this cargo would have been quite small. French-Canadian passenger Joseph Marichal claimed he heard small arms ammunition exploding. His testimony was quickly discounted by the British. Marichal was murdered while serving in the French Army.[6]

The original manifests of the Lusitania listed no armaments or munitions as cargo because it is illegal to ship explosives on a passenger vessel. In fact, tens of thousands of tons of both armaments and munitions may have been loaded aboard and listed on the manifests as items such as "cheese". The Lusitania did not have refrigerated cargo holds and was thus incapable of shipping cheese. The ship also carried 46 tons of aluminum powder and scrap headed for the Woolwich Arsenal. All of these materials comprised "a contraband and explosive cargo which was forbidden by American law and??? should never have been placed on a passenger liner." [7]

In 1960, an American named John Light led a series of dives on the wreck. He claimed to have found a gaping hole in her side and professed that the Lusitania???s contraband cargo had exploded, thus causing the tragedy. Light conducted over 80 dives but, due to the primitive technology of the time, was unable to stay on the wreck for more than a few minutes a dive and could only glimpse fragments of the enormous hull.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE><div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7347/germanyf2t11x2ef.gif (http://imageshack.us) http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/582/banner016uy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/776/banner024mg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8516/banner033kc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/349/eecc4f2bf.gif (http://imageshack.us)
__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
Why i have painted my plane red ? It would be unfair if they couldnt recognize that it is me who they are up against.
Everytime i shoot down a brit my hunting instinct is satisfied for another 15 minutes.

The Red Baron - Freiherr Manfred von Richthofen

Bootsmann0815
11-10-2006, 03:24 AM
The "original manifest" mentioned in the wikipedia article was designed as chamouflage. Cunard filed the real one, which mentions the armaments, with the MOD (with whom they had the shipping contract anyway) - and that's one of the several Lusitania-related papers now at Kew Gardens; publicly available since 1986.

As for Schwierger, I understand that there is still some doubt whether he identified the ship by name, or actually saw the American flag, before firing. What he did see, beyond doubt, was the Cunard livery, and he went by what his copy of "Weyers Taschenbuch der Kriegsflotten" said, i.e. all Cunard liners are auxiliary warships.

Indeed, Cunard received a substantial construction subsidy and annual operational subsidies in return for accepting a strengthened deck design so that guns could be mounted there if needed (though there were none at the time of the sinking), and for the promise to carry out war-related tasks if requested by the British government in case of war. It was for this reason that Cunard more or less had to accept the transport order for the war materials. What is in my opinion their big mistake was to put passengers on the same cruise.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Use the vertical!