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partic_3
01-05-2006, 01:42 AM
Hi all,
I'm in the market for a new PCI-e 939 chip mobo. Are more expensive models going to give you any performance benefits? The hardware review sites I've looked at seem to contradict each other. I read one review for an SLI board that show a considerable FPS boost over non SLI boards when running one video card. But this was the only review that tested the SLI boards with one card in them so I couldn't get confirmation on this. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance...

partic_3
01-05-2006, 01:42 AM
Hi all,
I'm in the market for a new PCI-e 939 chip mobo. Are more expensive models going to give you any performance benefits? The hardware review sites I've looked at seem to contradict each other. I read one review for an SLI board that show a considerable FPS boost over non SLI boards when running one video card. But this was the only review that tested the SLI boards with one card in them so I couldn't get confirmation on this. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance...

slkcrab
01-05-2006, 08:38 AM
I suggest you pay a visit to: http://www.ocforums.com any questions you have will be answered.

bolox00
01-05-2006, 09:12 AM
dunno if this will help
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=29&t...639727&enterthread=y (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=29&threadid=1639727&enterth read=y)

WOLFMondo
01-05-2006, 09:16 AM
The current crop of NForce4 boards are pretty good.

Just check out the online stores your going to buy from, see what they stock then look up reviews about ones which fit in your price range and have the features you want. You'll end up seeing reviews and comparisons for maybe 3 or 4 boards for each review so you should get a good picture of which is best.

p1ngu666
01-05-2006, 09:47 AM
DFI lanparty, really nice mobo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
01-05-2006, 10:06 AM
The Asus A8N-E seems like a good non-SLI board choice.

crazyivan1970
01-05-2006, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
DFI lanparty, really nice mobo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No it`s not p1ngu http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


As for topic, this one for nVidia:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2589

And that one for ATI:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2617

p1ngu666
01-05-2006, 11:26 AM
whats wrong with the DFI lanparty?

overclocks well, stable, has glowy bits with UV http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the northbridge placement is rather annoying, and the fan abit whiney, but otherwise its fine.

previous DFI non lanparty boards wherent that good tho.

jarink
01-05-2006, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The Asus A8N-E seems like a good non-SLI board choice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I recently built a PC around one of these, an A8N5X (http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=207&model=596&modelmenu=1). My only complaint is that the chipset fan is a little loud.

I'd cetainly recommend it as a good all-around motherboard. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LuftWulf190
01-05-2006, 12:14 PM
I'd say the ASUS A8N-E. I love the set up for he board. Last night is installed a second 120gig SATA drive to the 80gig SATA I already had. Then I also installed heatsink covers on my RAM. Since the covers covered the ram I have a bit fo a time trying to fit one stick in. After poping a retention bracket out of it's place did I noice I was seating the RAM wrong! But I poped the retention bracket back in to plave and everything seems to be working.

Ram a memtest for 6 hours and I got no errors, and I ran a memory benchmark, and there had been no changed from my privious bench. So I guess the ram survived quite nicely.

I have to say I am impressed with htis MoBo. It was my first personal build board, and so far as done wonderfully. Its a fantastic non SLI board and I would recoment it to any one who is relitily new to DYI computers.

x__CRASH__x
01-05-2006, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
whats wrong with the DFI lanparty?

overclocks well, stable, has glowy bits with UV http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the northbridge placement is rather annoying, and the fan abit whiney, but otherwise its fine.

previous DFI non lanparty boards wherent that good tho. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
On Ivan's recommendation, I bought a DFI Lanparty for the Crossfire system. By specs it should be a nice board. But in production they dumped the ATI southbridge chip and went with some cheap knockoff. Plus it had serious LAN problems. Ivan knows the DFI is **** because he spent the entire weekend on the phone with me, each of us pulling our hair out trying to get the P.O.S. to work. So I returned it and got an Asus A8R-MVP. Not only was it $75 cheaper, but it is a lot better. If you want to get an A8R-MVP, I suggest getting it from zipzoomfly.com, rather than newegg.com. They are $25 cheaper for the same board, and you save shipping cost as well.

Now I want to get a Crossfire edition ATI x850XT to work with the x850XT I already have on there. It should REALLY smoke after that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

FatBoyHK
01-05-2006, 12:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
As for topic, this one for nVidia:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2589
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am using this, I give it 5 stars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p1ngu666
01-05-2006, 12:39 PM
hm crash that sucks, think alot of mobos dont use the ati southbridge for a valid reason but cant remmber what it is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

got a NF4 board here, which i haxed to SLI http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

BelaLvgosi
01-05-2006, 12:43 PM
It still doesn't mean that the nf4's sli-dr (and now the expert) aren't the best for 939, and still strong after a year http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif, simply because of their bad ati board which wasn't meant to be their their top dog anyway. Btw, I defy you to find any board ever made on any socket more bullet proof, proven, overclockable or stable than their nf3 ut 250gb on 754.
Anyway, blame ati for the lack of a good southbridge, and yes, dfi should have used the latest ali/uli woth sata II instead, no question about it.

crazyivan1970
01-05-2006, 01:09 PM
Problem with that Lan Party board was the fact that DFI, due to shortage of some components (south bridge related) went of the spec and replaced it with something else. Basically jepardized design. ATI didnt even certified that board. And as CRASH described we spent entire weekend not just to get it stable....get it to work lol. Lan didnt work, ATI Raid didnt work, couple of other things...so it was no picnic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Then i came across rather scary number...return rate of those boards was 70% lol.

BelaLvgosi
01-05-2006, 02:29 PM
I'm a bit confused, I thought the dfi had a proven uli m1567, but instead they used the ati 450 (maybe to make an ati/ati board?) which is a buggy dead horse. Despite that, and altough rather old and limited to sata I, the silicon image raid is one of the best raid controllers in the market.

Fortunately the asus is using the latest uli m1575 which filled all of the lacks present in the m1567. Nvidia bought uli/ali, and from now on, I don't know how will board makers manage to keep the good ati/uli combo until ati launches their new southbridge, as the current is just a bad joke.
I'm not a big fan of Asus because a couple their boards which died on me, and the fact that in early 2004 when I made my first a64 setup, I bought at that time their flagship, the k8v dx to find out that in 2004 they still used bad caps which caused most boards in that series to die. On a funny note, in their site it was stated (almost hidden) only in the faqs section to look for caps number X and replace with other board. Mine was one of the newer models and died two weeks after. When I went to return it, I couldn't because that model didn't exist anymore (what a short life for a mobo model?!). A month later they came with a k8v-SE dx (second edition, huh?) which looked to be the exact same model as the previous with no justification. Was it for them to know that those boards wouldn't fail and make it easier to manage stocks? lol
Btw, back in 2001 I bought two boards, one a7v133 and a dfi ak-75c (both were equivalent), the a7v died this year due to bad caps, the dfi is still new, and cost almost 2/3 of the asus back then. Hoppefully asus redeemed with their last boards, but the last models before, as the a8n on 754 with ddr vdd only up to 2.7v and unstable at medium fsb's, so as the a8n-sli which was very very limited on the fsb side, requiring 2T for any average overclock would only sell for the asus brand.

I haven't had time to lurk a lot on dfi foruns as I used too (specially on the ati based boards one), but usually in there Angry_games and other mods recommend people not to buy their new boards until they test 'em for some time to find all the quircks and get bios updates. This happened in the past with the highly expected nf3 ultra which ended up being a lemon, and is now eol.
To me there's a problem with dfi boards, they focus too much on the overclocker side and end up missing some polish on little details more important to the common user. My nf3250 had a lot of small bugs when it came out (most that didn't had anything to do with overclocking), but everyone I can remember (and which is not a nf3 limitation) was promptly cleaned, and you could see how many betas were coming out to solve specific problems. I remember when a very small thread was made asking for a bios with updated usb support (due to buggy nvidia usb, as the nf4 had weeks ago) was responded in short time with a new bios that was right on spot to solve those issues. Dfi boards sometimes are also a pita to setup a stock systems because you need to manually change specific memory settings as max assynch latency or drive strenght, and the average joe simple has no clue on that, or to manually type his mac adress on the bios to have lan ports working as they should (case of my nf3).

Still, their nf4 are the best implementations on that chip and no boards can match their tweakability on ram, specially if you want to squeaze everything from winbond memory chips without stupid ddr vtt limitations as with most asus and abit. Other thing to have in account, is that most dfi boards perform almost the same given that they are made for high fsb's right at the start. I disagree with pingu on the non lanparty models. The infinity series always had almost every features as the more expensive models being way more cheap.
A friend of mine bought a 2.0 opteron and a dfi nf4 inifinity, in on one try he could boot at 10x250 1:1 with a cheap psu and be 24h prime stable with a less than $100 board. It lacks some of the ram tweaks on the above models, but if you start with good mem it will fly anyway.
The ulder inifinity nf2 ultra boards were also as featured as the nf2 UT without the extra bling and offered the same performance.

danjama
01-05-2006, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
DFI lanparty, really nice mobo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

I wouldnt trade my Dfi Sli fo nothin, not even a crossfire version or a A8N!!!

A8N will be nice for simple users though, dont go hardcore overclockin it or it gets unstable.

The DFi is great for overclockin, i didnt have no trouble with it out of the box unlike crash

james_ander
01-05-2006, 05:56 PM
The DFI lanparty is the board for overclockers because you can basically ram max voltage through whatever component you want to make it go faster and tweak everything to nth degree. You hear a lot that it is not a good board for beginners. That's just not true. For some dumb reason I bought one, but decided not to overclock. I just want to fly the lovely planes I said and my rig gives good enough performance in this sim without heating up the hardware. Selected optimized defaults in bios,no overvolting BS and it is rock solid stable. The ASUS board mentioned is also excellent. Seriously, just take your pick. If you are a tweaker overclocker, go for the DFI board. Some people like the the passive cooling heatpipe deal in the ASUS board Oooooh, no chipset fan....special....

Blah, blah, blah, I say to my friends when I show them my rig, overvolt this and tweak that. I'm a big gamer geek tweaker freak....Naah...optimized defaults...dude!

danjama
01-05-2006, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by james_ander:
You hear a lot that it is not a good board for beginners. That's just not true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep its true. This was my first build and i used my Dfi, and i have my ath64 3200+ OCd to 2.85ghz, my first ever overclock! Great mobo.

x__CRASH__x
01-06-2006, 10:01 AM
That may be true of yoru DFI board. But the Crossfire Lanparty was screwed up beyond help.

The only issue I am having with my Asus board is that I keep getting kicked off the internet every once in a while. I am suspecting the onboard LAN. So tonight I am going to throw in a NIC card to see if that will isolate the problem for me.

partic_3
01-06-2006, 06:11 PM
Thanks for the replies, gents.
I'm leaning toward the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe as I'm not really into overclocking... much.

Xiolablu3
01-06-2006, 06:27 PM
I have tried overcloking many many times, but have never found it gives a big performance improvement.

Also if something goes wrong on your comp, there is always the niggling thing at the back of your mind that it might be due to the overclock, so you are always putting it back to defaults for this reason and that.

In the end I just realised that the tiny performce improvement is just not worth the hassle.

Think about it, you may get a say 5% speed improvement at best? That means that a game running at 30fps will gain 3fps, can anyone really notice 3 fps? And remember 5% is a really good overclock, most boards/cpus will be lucky to achieve this.

Maybe a few with really good cooling and lucky chips with get around 10%, but this is the minority, and you will get 6fps improvement on 30 fps. Just not worth the bother for me.

Hartford688
01-07-2006, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partic_3:
Thanks for the replies, gents.
I'm leaning toward the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe as I'm not really into overclocking... much. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It looks a very nice board, but pricy...

Have a look here (maybe you have seen already) that I saw via SimHQ:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/asus-a8n32-sli-deluxe.html

Lovely design, but the performance does not seem much better versus the regular A8N-SLI boards. I have the A8N-SLI (using one card) and it is great....not even the deluxe/premium versions either.

vocatx
01-07-2006, 10:51 AM
I've got a K8N Neo F-4 mother board that I bought from Tiger Direct for $84. I built my rig in July, and so far I have had no problems. It's socket 939 and PCIe. I don't know what the price on one is currently, but it was a great buy when I got mine.

danjama
01-07-2006, 02:31 PM
The A8N sli deluxe just has more Sata plugs and some other insignificant features, so it probably isnt worth the extra whizz...

I still think u shud get the DFi its a quality board