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stanner1935
12-22-2004, 10:44 AM
Has anyone tried some of the payware add ons to IL2, such as BATTLE OVER EUROPE/
1. Is the quality of the aircraft etc., equal to IL2?
2. Is, what you get, worth the purchase price?

S 8
12-22-2004, 10:51 AM
Isn´t those just mission/campaigns and skins to IL2?
I won´t get those anyway cause I got all missions,campaigns left on all four IL2 series.

MaxMhz
12-22-2004, 11:06 AM
Hey first of all - we do owe these external people some map(s?) (Normandy for example).

They are skins and campaigns only, but at least one has a Dynamic campaign generator I believe...

The cheap way :
skins: http://www.il2skins.com
campaigns/missions etc etc: http://www.netwings.org (under downloads)

Capt._Tenneal
12-22-2004, 11:17 AM
My opinion on them is that since Oleg holds the keys to the game code and inclusion of new aircraft and maps, then of course any add-ons payware or not will be mostly "just skins and missions". The question then is the quality of the presentation of these "skins and missions".

Some people just want to go the free download route, that's fine. I download free missions and campaigns also. But I don't mind paying for an add-on only because (mostly playing offline) I like to acquire any and all missions or campaigns for the IL-2 series.

RedDeth..
12-22-2004, 12:29 PM
i personally wont pay just for new missions

horseback
12-22-2004, 01:22 PM
One of the beauties of the well-made canned/static campaigns is the AI flight leader who gives you a chance to join up with the rest of the flight. Like the dynamic campaign, it also has the advantage of your not knowing what's coming.

I paid $20 US for Luthier's Operation Barbarossa campaign (and I'm running both 109 and 190 campaigns concurrently with three dynamic campaigns, so I'm still not past 1942 yet), and I consider it money well spent. I got two 250 mission LW campaigns, a bunch of skins, and a number of extra missions for both Soviet and German pilots.

Creating your own mission (just one) is hard work, and flying them is fun only in the sense that it's your baby, but there are no surprises, and the challenges have to lay solely in difficulty.

While there are certainly some excellent free missions and campaigns out there (Extreme_One's Two Little DUCs is a good example), it isn't a bad idea to compensate someone who provides you with hours of enjoyment for their hard work. It allows them to spend more time making more things you'll enjoy.

cheers

horseback

FI_Macca44
12-22-2004, 04:45 PM
I got Battle Over Europe and in my opinion ot ROCKS.Great campaigns, biga ir raids, B17s use the box formation, really worth every dollar/EURO/pound spent on it.
Looking forward to trying the Roads of War ( Dorogi Woyny) ,a Russian addon.

-HH-Quazi
12-22-2004, 05:23 PM
BOE is well worth the money. Operation Barbarosa is good also, so I have heard. But better than both of them and any other pay add-on, is Lowengrin's IL2DCG. And it is free. Want online Med campigns? Libya? There are 48 different online campiagns available. Plus, his in game generator generates better missions wether you are working on a pilot carrer or just playing single missions. Lowengrins IL2 DCG is the best third party "free" add-on available.

Capt._Tenneal
12-22-2004, 06:03 PM
Still, there is something to be said (and a certain charm) about a well made linear/ static campaign. The plot is more straightforward and immersion is high, briefings and after-action reports are more detailed whereas dynamic campaigns tend to go the "lather-rinse-repeat" syndrome.

-HH-Quazi
12-22-2004, 07:43 PM
This is true. But I have found the dynamic campaigns using IL2DCG to be a bit more than repeats of previous missions. I am flying the Tobruk 43 online IL2DCG at the moment. So far, being 15 missions into it, I have found the changing weather conditions and the different types of missions to be refreshing and very immersive. Some missions are fighter sweeps, some are escort, and some are Jabo bombing missions. Not only is the weather changing some what, the times of day that these missions are taking p[lace varies allot from early morning, late evening and throughout the day. Plenty of action to go along with each, with the occasional, "didn't see a thing" mission. I have an offline pilot career going over an island in the Pacific called Pauloau, or something like that. It is equally intense and different. One will just have to dl it and use it to form an opinion on their own. But for what BOE brought to this sim, IL2DCG brings as much, even more, imo.

Skycat_2
12-22-2004, 11:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:

I paid $20 US for Luthier's Operation Barbarossa campaign (and I'm running both 109 and 190 campaigns concurrently with three dynamic campaigns, so I'm still not past 1942 yet), and I consider it money well spent. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you mean the "Operation Barbarossa" published by Matrix Games? I believe that Stefan Trombke wrote those missions. "Operation Barbarossa" was created as an add-on for original IL-2 but updated for FB; when it came out it got rave reviews. There was a free download version as well (a demo?) and I thought that was very good, albeit 'scripted.' Trombke has recently followed up with another commercial pack, "Operation Fall Blue (Case Blue)."

The important thing to know about all of these 'add-ons' and expansions is that none of them add new aircraft or maps. Only "Ace Expansion Pack" for "Forgotten Battles" holds that honor. All other products giver you missions and skins, usually scripted.

"Battle Over Europe" is the notable exception of all the missions/skins packs because it is quasi-official and is the collaboration of the guy who wrote the dynamic campaigns in FB/AEP/PF (Starshoy) and the guy who lead the development of Pacific Fighters (Luthier aka Ilya). In fact, Luthier originally built the Normandy and Ardennes maps and objects for "Battle Over Europe" but in order to get them into the game Oleg had to implement those maps into a free patch for FB. Undoubtedly Starshoy and Luthier have lost lots of money because the maps aren't 'exclusive' to their product.

That said, the other products out there are worth considering if you're interested in hand-scripted campaigns. I've found that scripted missions often lead to imaginative scenarios, moreso than DGen, and can better control historical integrity of air traffic.

wayno7777
12-23-2004, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI_Macca44:
I got Battle Over Europe and in my opinion ot ROCKS.Great campaigns, biga ir raids, B17s use the box formation, really worth every dollar/EURO/pound spent on it.
Looking forward to trying the Roads of War ( Dorogi Woyny) ,a Russian addon. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone have a link to Roads of War camp???

FI_Macca44
12-23-2004, 11:04 AM
I asume you want to learn something more about it,not download it LOLhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm gonna buy it via OZON.

http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/1570198/?from=buyalso_1626770

and here is 1C's website with the game -
http://games.1c.ru/il2_roads_of_war/

tttiger
12-23-2004, 12:26 PM
BOE is really pathetic. Nothing dynamic about it and there is very little imagination in the mission design. I bought it and ended up giving it away.

DCG, on the other hand, is fully dynamic and has lots of surprises. The built-in flaw with truly dynamic campaigns, though, is that they very quickly stray away from history. But it's light years ahead of BOE in playability...and it's free.

But there is still nothing better than a well-written hand-made mission. Pity so many of the really good Coop designers like Hangar amd Metlushko have wandered away. I still fly their missions. The Coop King right now is Bury, whose missions always are exciting and, again, free to download.

Bottom line: I wouldn't waste my money on BOE. There's much better stuff out there for free.

ttt