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WUAF_Badsight
10-24-2004, 02:58 AM
so who at this Board knows when & in which planes were used in the last , in anger , Propeller/piston plane combat ?

Capt.LoneRanger
10-24-2004, 03:40 AM
The last time a prop plane shot down another fighter was during the vietnam war. An A1-Skyraider shot down a MiG - A MiG 21 if I remember correctly. It was early in the war, 1966, I think.

I'll try to verify that.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-24-2004, 03:44 AM
hmm interesting I did wonder if it had been in Vietnam.

I had a helluva time finding info on the last air combat of world war 2 but i am betting it was probably in the pacific theater.

Guess some things are just too much for da google lol

Capt.LoneRanger
10-24-2004, 03:44 AM
Okay, I found something about that incident on the internet.

It was a MiG17 in 1966, shot down by Lt Pete Russell.

I remember that to be the last known incident of a prop-plane downing another plane.

WUAF_Badsight
10-24-2004, 04:19 AM
close Capt.LoneRanger , time-wise , but not in Asia

Ankanor
10-24-2004, 04:30 AM
That was in the football war between Salvador and Honduras, over a World Cup qualification match in 1969. I was a dogfight between a Corsair, F4U-4 if I am not mistaken and a Mustang. The Mustang pilot started turning and that was his last mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

k5054
10-24-2004, 04:30 AM
The football war between Salvador and Honduras? Corsair on P-51?

Another Vietnam incident of interest, the crew of a UH-1 operated by Air America (the CIA front) engaged 2 AN-2 biplanes of the NVAF and shot down one. Does a helo count as a prop plane? Over Laos, forget the year, 68 maybe.

WUAF_Badsight
10-24-2004, 04:36 AM
ding ding ding

wadda we have for them johhny . . . . .

k5054
10-24-2004, 04:36 AM
Correction; corsair F4U-4 on corsair FG-1, the next day.

The Laos incident was January 68, and 2 An-2 were claimed, not one.

WUAF_Badsight
10-24-2004, 04:38 AM
the Corsair F4u-4 was credited with the last Propeller vrs Propeller piston plane "kill" in anger

silly war that left 3000 dead

then again isnt all war stoopid

Friendly_flyer
10-24-2004, 05:09 AM
The turbo-prop aircraft FMA IA-58 Pucará engaged aerial combat and groundpounding in the Falklands war of 1982. The plane was noted for its ruggedness and effectiveness. It was one of the most successful aircraft employed by the Argentineans in that conflict, dodging SAMs and Harriers left and right.


A picture of the Pucará: http://www.efn.uncor.edu/dep/aero/Imagenes/pucara.jpg

Capt.LoneRanger
10-24-2004, 05:16 AM
A turbo-prop plane has no piston engine. It is a combination of a jet engine hooked up to a prop.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-24-2004, 05:19 AM
Now that is one funky looking plane Friendly almost looks like photomagic lol.

Football war is it ? Always had a mental block when it came to football.

Hmm have to file that one for future reference.

fherathras
10-24-2004, 07:41 AM
The Northrop P-61 Black Widow was the first U.S. aircraft designed specifically as a night fighter. P-61B Lady in the Dark was the most famous Black Widow of the 548th Night Fighter Squadron, and was credited with the last two aerial kills of the Second World War.

SkyChimp
10-24-2004, 07:55 AM
http://www.features02.kitparade.com/images/F4U-5_Honduras-00.jpg
http://www.features02.kitparade.com/images/F4U-5_Honduras-Pair.jpg
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/fas_p-51d_409.jpg

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/printer_156.shtml

OldMan____
10-24-2004, 08:05 AM
Not true.. Brazil still uses propeler planes to shot down intrusions on deep Amazon forest where you can´t have airfiled with jets. Also as stated.. Argentina used Pucara during Falkand´s war

LStarosta
10-24-2004, 08:42 AM
The U.S. Government contracts private firms to fight drug dealers in Colombia among other places. And they use propeller driven aircraft all the time. A friend of mine worked for one such company and they flew an OV-10 Bronco. In fact they were lucky that the OV-10 was so well armored, because they did get a TON of flak, and the drug cartels managed to shoot down unarmored airplanes. However, this is a bit off topic as I do not think that they have ever shot down another aircraft in that Bronco!

Platypus_1.JaVA
10-24-2004, 08:49 AM
Does turboprop count.. It is propellor driven but, the jetengine drives the propellor...


A little soemthing to think about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Taylortony
10-24-2004, 09:29 AM
I would like to point out that piston engined aircraft are still used in combat roles in some of the poorer countries of the world, the SF 260 is one i used to look after and have flown, they are used all over, as ground attack and strike, a few examplaes and timelines below

Philippine Air Force
In the early 1970s an order was placed for 48 SF.260's divided between 32 SF.260M's and 16 SF.260W's. The first six SF.260's were delivered in May 1973, replacing the Beech T-34A Mentor with 100th Training Wing at airbase Fernando.
The 15th Strike Wing on airbase Sangley Point received the SF.260W Warrior as an addition to the North American T-28 Trojans. They were possibly used in combat against rebel forces in the south of the Philippines. But little is known about its service life. In the early 1980s, the surviving Warriors were disarmed and transfered to the training role with 100th TW.
The Philippines Air Force signed with Agusta a contract for the delivery of 18 SF.260TP turboprops on December 31st 1991, replacing the SF.260M/W's in the training role. The first SF.260TP was noted in country on July 1st, 1993.

On the next day FAH SMB.2s also intercepted an Beechcraft King Air used for drug-smuggling. The aircraft was attacked by gun-fire and forced to land at San Andres Island with one engine afire. Some of FAH fighters were flown by CIA-contracted US-pilots. For example, it is known that in September 1986 two "CIA-pilots" flew FAH F-86Fs into an attack against one of the Nicaraguan airfields. They crossed the border into Nicaragua at a very low level and eventually surprised the opposition, destroying two SF.260s and three Mi-8 gunships on the ground: these aircraft are said to have been making raids into Honduras for weeks. This was probably the very last time that the venerable F-86 was ever used in combat.



http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/tsf260.asp

S 8
10-24-2004, 11:00 AM
Fotboll war.Mankind fight over the silliest things.

WereSnowleopard
10-24-2004, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ankanor:
That was in the football war between Salvador and Honduras, over a World Cup qualification match in 1969. I was a dogfight between a Corsair, F4U-4 if I am not mistaken and a Mustang. The Mustang pilot started turning and that was his last mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes...information: Soto, Fernando for Honduras Air Force score 3 with all victories flying Vought F4U-5 fighters; claimed 2 El Salvadorian FG-1 Corsairs and 1 P-51D Mustang. http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/hon69hon.htm

Regards
Snowleopard

gombal40
10-24-2004, 11:34 AM
try this one then

Who says those Nationalist Chinese don€t have a sense of humor...

The article below actually ran in a Taiwanese paper last week:

"In an heroic dogfight fought over International waters off the mainland-China coast, a 60€s-era American-built Lockheed Electra propeller-airliner, with 24 US Navy passenger/observers aboard, chewed up one of China€s finest state-of-the-art supersonic fighter aircraft. The Americans, utilizing the infrequently recorded combat tactic of straight and level flight, often accomplished by relying solely on autopilot, engaged the out-manned single-seat combat jet and knocked it out of the air using only one of its four formidable rotating air-mass propellers. After the action, the crew and passenger/observers diverted to nearby China€s Hainan Island Resort for some much-deserved R&R as guests of the Chinese government."

ploughman
10-24-2004, 12:50 PM
The prop powered Pucara performed the only Argentine air-to-air kill of the Falkland's War when one shot down a British Gazelle recce & liason helicopter.

13 Pucara's were destroyed, most by one SF raid on their Pebble Island base. But 5 were shot down.

Mashie_Nibblick
10-24-2004, 01:40 PM
I've always loved the looks of the Pucara, which is one of the many reasons that I'm especially looking forward to this game:

http://www.thunder-works.com/media.htm

Shot of a Pucara:

http://www.thunder-works.com/media/pucara3.jpg

Various A/C:

http://www.thunder-works.com/media/acmodels.jpg

I can't wait, personally.

CAP401
10-24-2004, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gombal40:
try this one then

Who says those Nationalist Chinese don€t have a sense of humor...

The article below actually ran in a Taiwanese paper last week:

"In an heroic dogfight fought over International waters off the mainland-China coast, a 60€s-era American-built Lockheed Electra propeller-airliner, with 24 US Navy passenger/observers aboard, chewed up one of China€s finest state-of-the-art supersonic fighter aircraft. The Americans, utilizing the infrequently recorded combat tactic of straight and level flight, often accomplished by relying solely on autopilot, engaged the out-manned single-seat combat jet and knocked it out of the air using only one of its four formidable rotating air-mass propellers. After the action, the crew and passenger/observers diverted to nearby China€s Hainan Island Resort for some much-deserved R&R as guests of the Chinese government." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT!!!!!!!!! LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!

ROFL!!!!

Holy ****, is that for real!?! Give that pilot a medal!

LEXX_Luthor
10-24-2004, 06:46 PM
Interesting story I heard.

P~51 mercenary pilot flying for some South American country was hunted down in the sky and downed by another mercenary pilot flying P~47. That's all I recall reading. Nothing more.

LuckyBoy1
10-24-2004, 08:53 PM
Pucara is an great plane!

Hate to break the news to you, but they're still downing by gunfire, enemy aircraft today with prop planes. C-130 gunships have been used by ground troups who "tag" the enemy plane with a laser beam. The C-130 opens up with it's 20mm cannon and well... to tell you the truth, there ain't much left of the enemy plane when all is said and done. The last downing I'm aware of involves a helicopter shot down in this manner. Talk about having a bad flying day!!! You get shot by one of those C-130's and it's no joke! They run the rounds out of that cannon so fast that thier biggest problem staying on target (computer controlled) is that the plane loses weight so fast, that they have to both nose it over and reduce the prop pitch as they fire!

Korolov
10-24-2004, 09:27 PM
Except that you can't really count the C-130, as it's powered by turbines and not piston engines.

BfHeFwMe
10-24-2004, 11:11 PM
Anyone know the USAF's last operational recep engined aircraft type? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Korolov
10-24-2004, 11:23 PM
I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say T-28.

LuckyBoy1
10-24-2004, 11:23 PM
It's still a prop plane! And Pucara's shoot stuff down all the time.

Korolov
10-24-2004, 11:29 PM
Or is it? I think what the original post was questioning, was the last PISTON engine fights, not propellor driven.

The power that comes out of a turboshaft generally makes it more of a jet plane rather than a prop plane.

LuckyBoy1
10-24-2004, 11:33 PM
Either way, the Pucara is a piston plane and it's still shooting down drug trafficing planes. The power on a C-130 comes from the props even though those props are powered by turbines.

WUAF_Badsight
10-25-2004, 12:26 AM
so the Pucara is a piston powered plane ?

WTE_Galway
10-25-2004, 12:32 AM
Pucara ??? no no

a pair of Turbomeca Astazou XVIG turboprops whacking out 729 kW each

BfHeFwMe
10-25-2004, 12:59 AM
Nope, clue, it wasn't a fighter.

trumper
10-25-2004, 03:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ankanor:
That was in the football war between Salvador and Honduras, over a World Cup qualification match in 1969. I was a dogfight between a Corsair, F4U-4 if I am not mistaken and a Mustang. The Mustang pilot started turning and that was his last mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Yes...information: Soto, Fernando for Honduras Air Force score 3 with all victories flying Vought F4U-5 fighters; claimed 2 El Salvadorian FG-1 Corsairs and 1 P-51D Mustang. http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/hon69hon.htm

Regards
Snowleopard <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a waste of good airframes,could've been flying today

WUAF_Badsight
10-25-2004, 03:21 AM
the Pucara has a nice profile

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clippa-Pucara.jpg

they make waaay more fun to fly Prop piston planes now trumper

LuckyBoy1
10-25-2004, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Nope, clue, it wasn't a fighter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Enough of a "fighter" to shoot down aircraft and that's fighter enough for me!

BfHeFwMe
10-25-2004, 04:12 PM
Last recip engined plane on USAF inventories was the C-131 Samaritan, retired in 1987 from Air National Guard inventory. Powered by the Pratt & Whitney R-2800. That ended all support and supply of receps.

Little known trivia, the US Army flew T-28 Trojans for camera chase duty up through the 80's, long after the USAF stopped using them.

LuckyBoy1
10-25-2004, 08:02 PM
Actually, some of the first Pucara's had recip engines, but that's been a while. You guys really should read up on that plane. I guess because it's a South American plane, nobody pays it much attention.

WTE_Galway
10-29-2004, 12:12 AM
Not sure if it saw air to air combat but found this one:

SEA FURY VH-HFG Built in England by Hawker in 1947. Powered by a Bristol Centaurus sleeve valve, fuel injected, supercharged 18 Cylinder radial engine of 2470 hp. (1841kW) Fastest piston engine fighter ever built. Top speed in excess of 460 mph (740 km/h). Served with Iraqi Air Force in the 1976 7-Day War. Armed with 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk5 cannon, plus a mix of bomb and rockets. Fuel consumption 260 gph Imperial (572 lph) at take-off. Aircraft Number Royal Navy WJ298 Iraqi Air Force 308.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/registry/furyregistry/images/fury-vhhfg-1.jpg