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birdy1964
07-30-2007, 10:03 AM
Hi all.
I'm afraid I am after some more help, being new to this game and not knowing much at the moment.
It seems that after I join an areana and trim my control surfaces then I either die or crash I have to trim my plane again, is this right?

birdy1964
07-30-2007, 10:03 AM
Hi all.
I'm afraid I am after some more help, being new to this game and not knowing much at the moment.
It seems that after I join an areana and trim my control surfaces then I either die or crash I have to trim my plane again, is this right?

stathem
07-30-2007, 10:06 AM
Yes.

Depends on the plane you're flying, but some of them can be non-stop trimming, particularly the later war birds, Tempest, P-51.

The German planes are a little less demanding in this regard.

Chris0382
07-30-2007, 10:13 AM
I have trim mapped to the X-Axis of my FS-PRO (removed a spring) and its constant trimming for me.

Crash_Moses
07-30-2007, 10:14 AM
Yes. Your plane doesn't remember trim settings when you hit refly (regardless of whether you crash, get shot down, or land).

SeaFireLIV
07-30-2007, 10:15 AM
Trim, trim, trim.

Trim is one of those weird things that can be hard to instruct someone on. Depending on the type of plane you fly you can find youself trimming continuously to the point that you do it automatically, like breathing. That`s just a clue as to how often you may need to use it.

That said, I flew without trimming for a long time, and some planes don`t use it at all like the I16 (I still automatically keep trying to trim it though!)...

You need to trim when...

1. the plane`s not flying straight.

2. You need more speed.

3. You need more climb. Or want to climb faster.

4. You wanna dive.

5. Trying to land and tak off sometimes.

6. When other controls are shot. I once avoided crashing into the ground by just trimming `up` madly, and gained enough altitude to bail!

7. When trying to get that little lead `edge` on a bogey.

8. When trying to outturn a bogey behind you...

9. Many more...

birdy1964
07-30-2007, 10:23 AM
Thankyou all for speedy responces.
A pint of beer goes to Crash_Moses for supplying the information I actually needed, although I value all the imput give by you all.

zardozid
07-30-2007, 10:52 AM
(I know you got your answer I just thought I would add something...)

I trim my control surfaces every time that I find that I need to hold my stick/rudder a certain way in order to fly strait...

Example: In order to fly level I have to hold my stick forward (then I trim nose down)

2) If I need to apply right rudder in order to fly strait I trim my rudder (If I have it)

I just trim when I need to...the plane you fly and your flight circumstance will dictate how often you need to trim it...


On another note...I tend to trim my plane for combat so that it is slightly nose up (just a little suggestion of nose up)...That way every time I need to pull up or out from of a roll (vector on target...bla, bla) the fighter is a little quicker to respond...

I hope this is clear (helps)

birdy1964
07-30-2007, 11:40 AM
Thankyou for you advice zardozi, another usefull tip to a noobie gratefully recieved. I'm making notes and learning every day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

R_Target
07-30-2007, 11:47 AM
Keep the ball centered.

Choctaw111
07-30-2007, 11:47 AM
I trim all of the time. I am constantly checking to see if my plane is slipping at all and adjust accordingly. I also trim my elevators often which all depends on my speed and what I am doing. I really don't bother with my aileron trim although I am thinking about it.

birdy1964
07-30-2007, 12:02 PM
Seems like a lot of hassle trimming all the time when try to fly as I have to use key board. I've been trimming at level flight quickly before my engagements then when I die and rejoin doing it again. Think I'll have to look at other options as while doing this leaves me vulnerable to attack lol.

neural_dream
07-30-2007, 12:08 PM
I never trim unless the flight is expected to be very very long. That's because I don't have sliders to assign the trims and trimming takes more mental effort than flying straight in most aircraft - well, ok, even I trim when in a B239. Trimming is of course necessary for large bombers, but then again I bet you play only small single-seaters.

Crash_Moses
07-30-2007, 12:50 PM
Sans sliders or a rotary I recommend using the arrow keys. Left and right keys for rudder trim and up and down keys for elevator trim. Very intuitive.

Or you can use this little gadget...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/Joystick.jpg

super71957
07-30-2007, 01:43 PM
Hey Crash,Where might we find one of those.
That is pretty neat. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
07-31-2007, 04:45 AM
This guy was Chuck Yeagers best friend from pilot school to present.

Bud Anderson Autobiography chapter online (http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/anderson/anderson.htm)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
A lot of this is just instinct now. Things are happening too fast to think everything out. You steer with your right hand and feet. The right hand also triggers the guns. With your left, you work the throttle, and keep the airplane in trim, which is easier to do than describe.

Any airplane with a single propeller produces torque. The more horsepower you have, the more the prop will pull you off to one side. The Mustangs I flew used a 12-cylinder Packard Merlin engine that displaced 1,649 cubic inches. That is 10 times the size of the engine that powers an Indy car. It developed power enough that you never applied full power sitting still on the ground because it would pull the plane's tail up off the runway and the propeller would chew up the concrete. With so much power, you were continually making minor adjustments on the controls to keep the Mustang and its wing-mounted guns pointed straight.

There were three little palm-sized wheels you had to keep fiddling with. They trimmed you up for hands-off level flight. One was for the little trim tab on the tail's rudder, the vertical slab which moves the plane left or right. Another adjusted the tab on the tail's horizontal elevators that raise or lower the nose and help reduce the force you had to apply for hard turning. The third was for aileron trim, to keep your wings level, although you didn't have to fuss much with that one. Your left hand was down there a lot if you were changing speeds, as in combat . . . while at the same time you were making minor adjustments with your feet on the rudder pedals and your hand on the stick. At first it was awkward. But, with experience, it was something you did without thinking, like driving a car and twirling the radio dial.

It's a little unnerving to think about how many things you have to deal with all at once to fly combat.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All you need to do is keep your stick from needing to be held far from center where you don't
get your better control precision. Trimming for perfection by keyboard is near impossible BUT
if you can get 1-click close then you can usually change throttle a teeny-tiny and suddenly
you are trimmed -- until your speed changes.

IRL you hold the stick where you want it and keep it there while changing trim until the stick
is not pushing on your hand. The stick moves and then trim is used to make the new position
require zero force to hold, it holds itself until something in the state of flight changes.
Same applies with feet except you don't need to do that as much since your legs don't get tired
as easy.
In game where your non-FFB stick is centered is the zero-force point, where it does not put
pressure on your hand -- the FEEL is right. In game the center position of the stick is
always the zero point. You do not move your non-FFB stick and then trim forces away while
holding it steady because non-FFB stick is incapable of that.
So in game you find you are holding your non-FFB stick off center then you tap-tap-tap your
trim key and as the nose moves you relax your stick just fast enough to keep the nose where
it should be and while yes unlike real your stick hand moves, you still get the FEEL of
reducing forces as trim is applied.

Try flying the view primarily and use stick, rudder and trim (and throttle) to change that
rather than as some will, pulling the stick around and expecting certain change in view to
result, aka "I pulled X-amount of stick and this should happen, why doesn't it? It does on
plane X!" that others have posted time and again. How can answer that when trim state is
not given nor flight speed, alt and attitude of the plane? Yet question like that preceeds
a definitive 'proof' or game error and was only asked in rhetorical manner. Go figure.

Deadmeat313
07-31-2007, 04:58 AM
Very good post, M_Gunz. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


T.

Crash_Moses
07-31-2007, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by super71957:
Hey Crash,Where might we find one of those.
That is pretty neat. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have absolutely no idea. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Deadmeat313
07-31-2007, 05:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by super71957:
Hey Crash,Where might we find one of those.
That is pretty neat. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You actually want a wee joystick that pushes the arrow keys for you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


T.

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-31-2007, 06:38 AM
I trim constantly. I too have no slider setup for my trim, but I do have a 4-way switch on my throttle for rudder and elevator trim and use the left/right arrow keys for aileron trim (I don't use aileron trim very much).


TB

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 06:59 AM
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif"

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jaste07
07-31-2007, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, trimming is for sissies anyway...

stathem
07-31-2007, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif"

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You didn't read Max's post of Bud Anderson, then?

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 07:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif"

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You didn't read Max's post of Bud Anderson, then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I fly the 109 almost exclusivley. There is very little "trimming" involved.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thank god! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
07-31-2007, 07:17 AM
That's because it flies like a brick whatever you do in it. I have proofs. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stathem
07-31-2007, 07:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif"

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You didn't read Max's post of Bud Anderson, then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I fly the 109 almost exclusivley. There is very little "trimming" involved.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thank god! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah...Noob plane.
.
.
.
.
.
.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Crash_Moses
07-31-2007, 07:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I trim constantly. I too have no slider setup for my trim, but I do have a 4-way switch on my throttle for rudder and elevator trim and use the left/right arrow keys for aileron trim (I don't use aileron trim very much).


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat?


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! "

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

-1

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 07:20 AM
you do also know anderson was a p-51 pilot and made seven hour missions to germany where trimming his plane was pretty much necessary for such long missions. Do you do combat missions from england in "real time"? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That reminds me of one guy in silent hunter three who actually did his combat missions in "real time.." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif"

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You didn't read Max's post of Bud Anderson, then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I fly the 109 almost exclusivley. There is very little "trimming" involved.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thank god! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah...Noob plane.
.
.
.
.
.
.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


ah.. I own and fly every flight combat sim ever made.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

and the 109 isn't for beginners I assure you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I trim constantly. I too have no slider setup for my trim, but I do have a 4-way switch on my throttle for rudder and elevator trim and use the left/right arrow keys for aileron trim (I don't use aileron trim very much).


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat?


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! "

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

-1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



that adds up to exactly 0 which is exactly the value of your post btw..

lowfighter
07-31-2007, 07:41 AM
Excelent, now let's talk about 109 turn rate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Crash_Moses
07-31-2007, 07:45 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

skarden
07-31-2007, 07:46 AM
Anyone who says " Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight" to his flight leader when told to take evasive action would never make it into a squadron in the first place. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


I dont trim a hell of a lot and generally not in a dogfight but i WILL trim until i "feel" comfortable with how the planes flying right from the time it leaves the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But thats just me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lowfighter:
Excelent, now let's talk about 109 turn rate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It turns very well thank you..
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
better then the P-51 and P-47

oh your a spit pilot right?

I eat you guys for breakfest all the time because you think that turn fighting is all that there is to air combat.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If that were true we would all be speaking Japanese..

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skarden:
Anyone who says " Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight" to his flight leader when told to take evasive action would never make it into a squadron in the first place. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


I dont trim a hell of a lot and generally not in a dogfight but i WILL trim until i "feel" comfortable with how the planes flying right from the time it leaves the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But thats just me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is the most sensible post I have seen yet.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


and I wouldn't be laughing too hard at anyones flying if my name was "Crash"

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

lowfighter
07-31-2007, 07:57 AM
That's a prety entertaining guess, cause the Spit is the plane I fly very rarely. Oh man, what's up?
My favorites
F4U
P47
P40
FW190
La5 1942
KI61

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lowfighter:
Excelent, now let's talk about 109 turn rate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It turns very well thank you..
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
better then the P-51 and P-47

oh your a spit pilot right?

I eat you guys for breakfest all the time because you think that turn fighting is all that there is to air combat.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If that were true we would all be speaking Japanese.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

stathem
07-31-2007, 08:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:

ah.. I own and fly every flight combat sim ever made.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

and the 109 isn't for beginners I assure you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah right...I should have guessed you were a 109 jock; you equate "being in combat" to "taking evasive action".

Crash_Moses
07-31-2007, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


and I wouldn't be laughing too hard at anyones flying if my name was "Crash"

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey! I'm an SBD pilot. I don't crash. I get shot down...A LOT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:

ah.. I own and fly every flight combat sim ever made.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

and the 109 isn't for beginners I assure you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah right...I should have guessed you were a 109 jock; you equate "being in combat" to "taking evasive action". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hardly ever EVER do that.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Only when I get a bit greddy after shooting down five hurricanes in a row and forget to watch my tail.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and these aren't pathetic Il-2 hurricane drivers either.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://images.kodakgallery.eu.com/photos255/1/97/88/73/57/6/657738897133_0_ALB.jpg

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lowfighter
07-31-2007, 08:50 AM
It's getting interestinger and interestinger, now we're talking about svision's acemanship!

As for trimming, just to go on topic, I do trim especially before entering combat, sometimes during combat, mostly in dives. The amount of trimming depends on the aircraft as noted above, anyway the goal for me is speed and acceleration, and it helps me a lot with these two. I think it depends too on the manner of flying the planes, whether trim is useful or will just distract your attention in the combat area. It's also pretty instinctive after some practice.
Well, pretty common sense stuff...

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lowfighter:
It's getting interestinger and interestinger, now we're talking about svision's acemanship!

Spit-pile victum..

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As for trimming, just to go on topic, I do trim especially before entering combat, sometimes during combat, mostly in dives. The amount of trimming depends on the aircraft as noted above, anyway the goal for me is speed and acceleration, and it helps me a lot with these two. I think it depends too on the manner of flying the planes, whether trim is useful or will just distract your attention in the combat area. It's also pretty instinctive after some practice.
Well, pretty common sense stuff... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

couldn't agree with that post any more.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

M_Gunz
07-31-2007, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
apparently a few of you guys trim your planes constantly. Do you believe real pilots do this?

Where do you find the time to fly in combat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


"Panther 1 there is a bogey at your six take evasive action immediately! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif"

" Wait a minute I am still trimming my plane for hands off flight, flight leader.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


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Oh, so you don't believe when Bud Anderson writes that he did?

Trim in combat is not just for hands off flying, it's to keep the pilot from getting dead
tired. OTOH you can go exactly by what your GA instructor tells you.

M_Gunz
07-31-2007, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I fly the 109 almost exclusivley. There is very little "trimming" involved.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
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If you guys didn't b!tch so much about weak elevator, you might have time to trim!

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I fly the 109 almost exclusivley. There is very little "trimming" involved.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
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If you guys didn't b!tch so much about weak elevator, you might have time to trim! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hay them is fighting words! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and if you notice the ONE trim on the 109 is THE ELEVATOR" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I never EVER forget where that is at except at cruise speed where the obvious superiority of this fine german fighting machine shows as it is in natural trim at that speed.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-31-2007, 02:16 PM
I rarely touch aileron trim except when damaged. Since I have rudder pedals I do not touch rudder trim all that much because its easy to center the ball with pedals. I will use rudder trim if flying a bomber and level stablizer is engaged. But I constantly adjust elevator trim and have it on a slider.

S!

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 02:26 PM
All german 109 pilots are natural "Pianists" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

"F ! **** where's that god damn elevator trim! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif "

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actually I just manage to pull out of this dive and nail the Hurricane too.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

that's the english channel 100 ft away..! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

M_Gunz
07-31-2007, 07:52 PM
109 elevator trim is a wheel just on the left and a bit forward of the pilot.
Be sure that the REAL 109 pilots did not have any trouble finding it!

In any case this thread is because a new player wants to know about trim in IL2 in general.

Is there any problem with HIM becoming a better pilot?

Crash_Moses
07-31-2007, 10:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
I rarely touch aileron trim except when damaged. Since I have rudder pedals I do not touch rudder trim all that much because its easy to center the ball with pedals. I will use rudder trim if flying a bomber and level stablizer is engaged. But I constantly adjust elevator trim and have it on a slider.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What rudder settings do you use? I find mine are way too sensitive for fine control.

knightflyte
07-31-2007, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Trim, trim, trim.

Trim is one of those weird things that can be hard to instruct someone on. Depending on the type of plane you fly you can find youself trimming continuously to the point that you do it automatically, like breathing. That`s just a clue as to how often you may need to use it.

That said, I flew without trimming for a long time, and some planes don`t use it at all like the I16 (I still automatically keep trying to trim it though!)...

You need to trim when...

1. the plane`s not flying straight.

2. You need more speed.

3. You need more climb. Or want to climb faster.

4. You wanna dive.

5. Trying to land and tak off sometimes.

6. When other controls are shot. I once avoided crashing into the ground by just trimming `up` madly, and gained enough altitude to bail!

7. When trying to get that little lead `edge` on a bogey.

8. When trying to outturn a bogey behind you...

9. Many more... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Gawd! The heck with that! Give me TRIM ON A SLIDER! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif JK

lowfighter
07-31-2007, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Since I have rudder pedals I do not touch rudder trim all that much because its easy to center the ball with pedals.
S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a point, I have just a twist stick, and then it's not that easy to keep the rudder really steady, so more rudder trim for me.
BTW, which planes do you think require more trim work?
I think P51?

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 10:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lowfighter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Since I have rudder pedals I do not touch rudder trim all that much because its easy to center the ball with pedals.
S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a point, I have just a twist stick, and then it's not that easy to keep the rudder really steady, so more rudder trim for me.
BTW, which planes do you think require more trim work?
I think P51? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your probably right because the p-51 has fuel tanks all over the place and it has the laminar wing thing going..

The P-39 aero cobra has some interesting trim problems too but for other reasons..