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Dron22
02-24-2010, 03:03 AM
I remember a couple of months ago when I just started playing this game, someone on this forum warned me that schnorkels are not working in SH3 due to a bug and are totally useless. Well, I am currently in late 1943 and I just got a snorkel for my type VIIB, and it works as expected if I stay at snorkel depth (10 meters), the fact that allied aircraft sometimes still find you is normal because they had advanced radar in 1943 that could sometimes detect your snorkel. So to me the snorkel appears to work fine, or is there something I am missing?

Dron22
02-24-2010, 03:03 AM
I remember a couple of months ago when I just started playing this game, someone on this forum warned me that schnorkels are not working in SH3 due to a bug and are totally useless. Well, I am currently in late 1943 and I just got a snorkel for my type VIIB, and it works as expected if I stay at snorkel depth (10 meters), the fact that allied aircraft sometimes still find you is normal because they had advanced radar in 1943 that could sometimes detect your snorkel. So to me the snorkel appears to work fine, or is there something I am missing?

GREYWOLFJD
02-25-2010, 09:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am currently in late 1943 and I just got a snorkel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats correct you cannot get it till then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Now way can you get it it before it was not invented.

Dron22
02-25-2010, 10:22 AM
Thanks Greywolfjd, I know that snorkels were not invented until 1943, my question why is it some people keep saying that snorkels don't work properly when you get one? Because I have not had a problem using a snorkel yet.

GREYWOLFJD
02-25-2010, 12:08 PM
Probally they dont now how to use them,I dont like them aircarft can detect them easily,then BANG bomb down your conning tower http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

AndyJWest
02-25-2010, 05:01 PM
I think the problem isn't that they don't 'work' - they do, you can use the diesel engine while submerged with them - but that you are just as visible to radar as you would be on the surface, as GreywolfJD indicates. I suppose they give a marginal advantage if you spot aircraft in time, in that you can dive quicker, but they don't do what they were intended to. A shame.

Dron22
02-25-2010, 05:55 PM
Andyjwest, I normally have the periscope out when I use the snorkel, and I have seen several times aircraft flying right over me without noticing me. Snorkels do reduce the chance of you being detected, especially if you get the Tarnmatte upgrade and use the periscode at night.

uniquewave
02-26-2010, 10:49 AM
I don't get it. I have played SH3 for hundreds, if not thousands of hours on Campaigns. I have played the stock version, stock patched version, Grey wolves 2.1, and GWX. I have NEVER hand any aircraft of any kind go near me during a patrol. I've had multiple installs so it can't be that the game isn't working properly. I will admit that I haven't played the later parts of the campaign much (43 onward) but you would think that I still would have seen something.

GREYWOLFJD
02-26-2010, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I haven't played the later parts of the campaign much (43 onward) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
you cant use it till 43, in 44 on you can be detected by radar miles away, then the wake of your snorkel is a dead give away, you would not sail around with your periscope up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

uniquewave
02-26-2010, 10:02 PM
What I ment was is that I have never seen any aircraft even when I was on the surface. I have played the later campaign, just not as much as the beginning and early middle. Either I am lucky or unlucky, depending on how you look at it.

Dron22
02-27-2010, 01:33 AM
Uniquewave, if you never saw any aircraft it is strange, but there are places even in 1944-1945 where Allied aircraft never fly. Have you ever patroled close to the UK shores or Iceland where aircraft are always a nightmare even before 1943. Have you ever seen any friendly Luftwaffe planes at all? Otherwise it seems there is a corrupt file or a bug which causes aircraft never to appear in your game.

gamer025
02-27-2010, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by uniquewave:
What I ment was is that I have never seen any aircraft even when I was on the surface. I have played the later campaign, just not as much as the beginning and early middle. Either I am lucky or unlucky, depending on how you look at it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'll never see a plane in bad weather or night time (sundown, rain/fog.) I've gone entire missions, sometimes within visual range, of the English coast without ever seeing a plane.

Dron22
02-27-2010, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gamer025:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by uniquewave:
What I ment was is that I have never seen any aircraft even when I was on the surface. I have played the later campaign, just not as much as the beginning and early middle. Either I am lucky or unlucky, depending on how you look at it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'll never see a plane in bad weather or night time (sundown, rain/fog.) I've gone entire missions, sometimes within visual range, of the English coast without ever seeing a plane. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you play your career up to 1944 in stock version, you will see lots of aircraft flying at night, the only safe times to stay on the surface will be in heavy rains.

AndyJWest
02-27-2010, 09:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dron22:
Andyjwest, I normally have the periscope out when I use the snorkel, and I have seen several times aircraft flying right over me without noticing me. Snorkels do reduce the chance of you being detected, especially if you get the Tarnmatte upgrade and use the periscode at night. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If SH3 is getting things right, not all aircraft will have radar. To be honest, I never really figured out if the snorkel was better than nothing, but I know I only had to stick it out of the water a foot or two, in stock SH3, for the entire fleet air arm to arrive and lob large tins of HE at me. Possibly this has been corrected in mods?

uniquewave
02-27-2010, 09:43 PM
I have patrolled around the entire British Isles right up next to harbors and everything. I see friendly planes in German ports with GWX. They are also in the single missions. But, I have never heard "aircraft sighted" on a patrol. And believe me, I have played this game religiously for the past few years. I feel I have been cheated on some action. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

AndyJWest
02-27-2010, 09:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by uniquewave:
I have patrolled around the entire British Isles right up next to harbors and everything. I see friendly planes in German ports with GWX. They are also in the single missions. But, I have never heard "aircraft sighted" on a patrol. And believe me, I have played this game religiously for the past few years. I feel I have been cheated on some action. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you running stock SH3?

Believe me, you won't enjoy seeing 'aircraft sighted' more than once. The encounter only constitutes 'action' in a broad sense, as the only sensible option is to dive, and hope it goes away without doing too much damage. When it is done, it goes home to tell its friends were you are so they can have another go. A day or two of this and you'll wish you joined the Luftwaffe...

1.JaVA_Hornet
03-07-2010, 04:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GREYWOLFJD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am currently in late 1943 and I just got a snorkel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats correct you cannot get it till then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Now way can you get it it before it was not invented. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not agree.

It was a dutch invention and the germans used
that technique much later.

Foehammer-1
03-09-2010, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 1.JaVA_Hornet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GREYWOLFJD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am currently in late 1943 and I just got a snorkel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats correct you cannot get it till then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Now way can you get it it before it was not invented. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not agree.

It was a dutch invention and the germans used
that technique much later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but nobody ever said the Germans have invented it...

As for the original question, I myself prefer to only use it in crash diving, since it helps you go deep WAAY faster. Press crash dive, snorkel up, and you can diesel your way down, while maintaining high speed. This extra speed at periscope depth will make you dive much faster once the snorkel gets swamped. (Completely ahistorical, I know, but it's a game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

As for using it as intended, try to go across the Biscay with a snorkel at 256x TC without getting killed within the first few hours of sailing, and I'll give you a medal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dron22
03-09-2010, 12:37 PM
Foehammer-1,
I agree that late in the war the schnorkel does not guarantee you are safe, it's perfectly realistic that aircraft can detect your schnorkel with a radar. It helps if you get tarnmatte upgrade, I think. My point was to counter people claiming that schnorkels don't work because of a bug/broken. For me they work fine, I have seen many times in broad day light, while using the schnorkel, an Allies plane fly right above me and would not notice me. Then few hours later another plane would pass, detect the schnorkel with radar, make a U-turn and drop bombs on me.
By the way I read your adventures stories Foehammer, liked all of them, wish there were more of them. Are you Russian?

Foehammer-1
03-09-2010, 03:08 PM
Message received and understood.

Foe has got on this morning after 4 hours of sleep to print an assignment. And misunderstood the original point.

I am Ukrainian, but speak both Ukrainian and Russian

Tioga
04-01-2010, 03:58 AM
I served in the US Navy in the mid 70s on a P3C patrol plane as a sensor and radar operator. The Russians were still using snorkels at that time on their foxtrot submarines and they were sometimes hard to spot on radar because of the sea state. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

kptl.thomsen
04-07-2010, 10:08 PM
Hey thanks Foehammer-1 about the crash dive with snorkel,Great tip! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

AndyJWest
04-08-2010, 08:53 PM
I really have my doubts about snorkels:
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/SH3-Destroyed.jpg
I'd hardly left base, testing my new schnorkel, before the FAA arrived. B-24s, Sunderlands, you name it. I might as well have been launching distress flares and Broadcasting 'Lili Marlene' at 500 Kw over the entire radio bandwidth, I don't suppose it would have made me easier to find. Das Boot ist... what's German for 'perforated'?

Foehammer-1
04-08-2010, 09:11 PM
Now that's unlucky... Yeah, I have never used the snorkel that much, except for crash diving...

kptl.thomsen
04-09-2010, 09:57 AM
Same.I've opted for staying on the surface.Figured I'd have a better chance spoting them with my lookouts or radar warning.Beats finding out the hard way with "bomb down your snorkel".

savvas74
07-21-2010, 03:32 PM
I bought a "plain vanilla" copy of SH3 (v 1.0) and decided to give it a go. Got through my 29th patrol (Sept '44)and despite everything I tried, I cannot install a snorkel on my boat, a Type IXC fully equipped except the snorkel. I know it is necessary to install a patch , but does anyone know how to fix this snorkel bug? Any info appreciated!

savvas74
07-21-2010, 03:37 PM
In the mean time, I installed an IX-3 conning tower and put 1 20mm Flakvierling as heavy flak and 2 20mm Flakzvillings as light ones. It takes a bit of maneuvering under air attack, but I have racked up about 20-25 (I lost count!) aircraft shot down and at least I can repel the first wave and dive until the second wave arrives. But I'd really appreciate any info on the snorkel.

VONHARRIS
07-23-2010, 04:37 AM
Savvas74 , in the vanilla version there is a trouble with snorkels. Upgrade to 1.4 , using the patch and I suggest you use a super mod like Grey wolfs. (GWX 3.0 gold).It is free. This will solve your problem.
One question, are you Greek?

savvas74
07-24-2010, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the info,much appreciated! And yes, I'm Greek (Salonica City!).

VONHARRIS
08-02-2010, 11:10 AM
Ok. Me too! Nice to have a fellow countryman!
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TheLidda
08-06-2010, 11:09 PM
Snorkels, atleast in my tests are badly bugged. They increase the number of planes spawning which decreases the range you can travel without being spotted.

Someone more tech savvy than I explained the bug to me as the planes detecting you as if you were surfaced with the snorkel up. So your radar profile is quite a bit larger snorkeling than even traveling on the surface.

In late war its much safer, in my experience, to travel on the surface than use snorkel sadly.

deep.sharks
08-08-2010, 01:23 AM
welcome aboard dron22

such has you can see this map have lines .
these lines show you where the merchants sail and were the planes are .
in bad weather , in the night , in smog , in all weathers you see planes in your career mission .

who has said that snorkel does not work ?


http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/croft-kenny/SH3Img8-8-2010_01956_592.jpg

Kaleun1961
08-08-2010, 06:17 PM
Deep Sharks, that map only shows the nominal convoy lanes. The map which shows air cover can be found in Grey Wolves by dragging it down from the top left corner of the screen. I'm also in possession of a paper map which came with the boxed game. I can't say for download copies of SH3, but perhaps there is a map in the help section? I'm sure you could probably find one with a Google Image search.

Kaleun1961
08-08-2010, 06:20 PM
Follow the link below for a map showing Allied air cover:

Allied air cover map (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://florinpoptean.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/sh3-map_1024.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php%3Ftopic%3D18137.0&usg=__rUKDkyTR_PbwEF0198NaEULMQ2M=&h=856&w=1024&sz=691&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=n97x4H2QFF0G8M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=156&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSilent%2BHunter%2B3%2Bair%2Bcover%2Bm ap%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1916%26bih%3D839 %26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1627&vpy=69&dur=2106&hovh=205&hovw=246&tx=180&ty=113&ei=ZUlfTKC5DoOC8gaQ6ty2DQ&oei=ZUlfTKC5DoOC8gaQ6ty2DQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=50&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0)

deep.sharks
08-09-2010, 04:41 AM
yes true .


in bad weather , in the night , in smog , in all weathers you see planes in your career mission . also were the line is

also in Allied air cover map

jajtam
08-12-2010, 06:44 AM
Nothing in this game works properly... when ii put new radar system which must warn me about allied aircrafts it says - radar antenne is out of order... these S.O.B.-s weren't able to create a sinple game which could work.. i have never seen such huge amount of bugs.. ubisoft is P.of Sh.

Kaleun1961
08-12-2010, 01:01 PM
Have you invested any time at all into finding mods or other fixes for some of the issues with this game? Sure, the out of the box experience leaves somewhat to be desired, but the modding community has given this game new life and resolved almost every outstanding issue, to the point that whatever is left over is not a deal breaker. Thousands of people are still playing this game every day.

Max_Schnell
08-12-2010, 03:50 PM
Howdy All,

jajtam, I must agree with Kaleun, there have been so many improvements made with all the mods and options and such that it has totally, TOTALLY changed the game.

I understand your frustration, however, I beg your patience. Try it with GWX and some mods, as long as you have a clean install you should have no problems, and you will end up playing the greatest sim that is available.

Hang in there, it will all be worth the effort.

deep.sharks
08-13-2010, 12:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jajtam:
Nothing in this game works properly... when ii put new radar system which must warn me about allied aircrafts it says - radar antenne is out of order... these S.O.B.-s weren't able to create a sinple game which could work.. i have never seen such huge amount of bugs.. ubisoft is P.of Sh. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">hello jajtam</span>

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">about radar antenne & allied aircrafts </span>

README THREAD - FOR SH-3 http://www.subsim.com/radioroo...wthread.php?t=101815 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=101815)

SH3 Commander 2.7 (20.9 MB) http://www.subsim.com/subsim_f...ches05/SH3Cmdr27.exe (http://www.subsim.com/subsim_files/patches05/SH3Cmdr27.exe) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jajtam
08-21-2010, 06:27 AM
Hi people.. i do understand curse is not a right way of expression but sometimes such a ****ty situation happen ii really feel mad)) 8000 tonn vessel behaves like Schumacher's Ferrari evading torpedoes))) and that's a top of iceberg) it is hard and long to count all the buds.. but believe it maks the game very inattractive... and thanks for the links...