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Destroyer110
04-22-2004, 11:57 PM
First it was the Condor and it's stranger gunner AI then strange habit of AI fighters to fly into hills or the ground now I've noticed the target selection AI is off the planet.

I saw one allie fighter target an enemy plane (first of 2 flying in line), totally ignoring the tail end charlie infront of him, flying past this sitting duck only to become a target himself, screaming "Help ME" ???????????

I know this is a multiplayer online fighter game but please for the people who have slow connections, some adequate AI would be nice .. please?

New AI requirements

if (AircraftNo = ISthereAnEnemyInfront()) > 0
{
EnemyTargetAircraft = AircraftNo
etc
etc
}

http://home.iprimus.com.au/hastati/condor.jpg

Destroyer110
04-22-2004, 11:57 PM
First it was the Condor and it's stranger gunner AI then strange habit of AI fighters to fly into hills or the ground now I've noticed the target selection AI is off the planet.

I saw one allie fighter target an enemy plane (first of 2 flying in line), totally ignoring the tail end charlie infront of him, flying past this sitting duck only to become a target himself, screaming "Help ME" ???????????

I know this is a multiplayer online fighter game but please for the people who have slow connections, some adequate AI would be nice .. please?

New AI requirements

if (AircraftNo = ISthereAnEnemyInfront()) > 0
{
EnemyTargetAircraft = AircraftNo
etc
etc
}

http://home.iprimus.com.au/hastati/condor.jpg

WUAF_Badsight
04-23-2004, 12:21 AM
Artificially Intelligent but Realistically Stupid

seriously the AI is a HUGE feild all on its own

some of the worlds brightest cookies are working on AI /..... its not a simple subject

having Wingmen that didnt shoot me would be nice tho : )

clint-ruin
04-23-2004, 12:33 AM
Yup, seen that happen a few times myself. Basically the AI will almost always try to go for the wing leader if possible, and if the lead doesn't evade or try to counter, this often ends up with the wingman/attacker having a near miss but otherwise ignoring each other.

I've found this happens an awful lot less with AEP, generally speaking, the pairs seem to get a great deal more seperation going [quite typically 150-200m during combat rather than 50m]. But especially if the flight leader decides to RTB and go non-combat, they'll form up and sit there as they're shot at.

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ptegomerpyle
04-24-2004, 04:26 PM
I've been quite badly chewed up by my wingman, but sometimes ill see his tracer above me and presume he will stop firing if let myself get tucked in behind the target more.

A button telling ur wingman to cease fire would be good

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VW-IceFire
04-24-2004, 05:08 PM
There are limitations to what you can do with AI. Its not perfect but its not bad.

And its not entirely unrealistic...as Badsight put it, its realistically stupid. I see the same thing online and I wonder if I'm playing with AI or humans http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ptegomerpyle
04-24-2004, 05:37 PM
i used to make simple games at work for people, id program silly arcade games when i had an afternoon free,and the hardest thing was making a game that was beatable, for example the bat and ball games, i made a windows clone of them one day and was impossible too beat, tried too make its ai so it could be realisticliy dumb and that was a struggle

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BM357_TinMan
04-24-2004, 09:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ptegomerpyle:
i used to make simple games at work for people, id program silly arcade games when i had an afternoon free,and the hardest thing was making a game that was beatable, for example the bat and ball games, i made a windows clone of them one day and was impossible too beat, tried too make its ai so it could be realisticliy dumb and that was a struggle

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Good point, I never thought of it that way

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ASH at S-MART
04-24-2004, 10:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
seriously the AI is a HUGE feild all on its own

some of the worlds brightest cookies are working on AI /..... its not a simple subject
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is true.. but the term AI for sims is a bit over stating the fact.. Granted, AI for sims is still no small task.. And I could totally understand and forgive IL2 for all the short commings of it AI... But I cant, in that I saw better AI in flight sims 10+ years ago... IL2's AI is total CRAP! Oleg should be dang happy that the online play is good.. because between the campain lifelessness and AI offline is useless!

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Franzen
04-24-2004, 11:19 PM
You gotta love the AI that fly right into the enemies' flight path and then scream for help. I've been killed so many times trying to save an AI. My AI wingman says he's gonna help but never does. The enemy AI all flock to me since they seem to know my squadron is absolutely no theat with out me. Ha ha ha, my wingman doesn't even make a good decoy, the AI doesn't see him and in fact will avoid shooting him. I'm AI enemy #1. But I did find it's a bit of a challenge to down your own AI wingman. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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icrash
04-25-2004, 01:41 PM
The AI is warped to some extent. Is anyone gonna sit on the runway while the enemy is strafing the field? The first time around only the flight leader got off (#2 exploded) and the rest just sat there (I used the taxi lane to take off). Same mission second time around I was the only plane to get off the ground (first 3 birds were destroyed in place & the rest just sat there) I'm a bad pilot (call sign leadmagnet) but at least if I get chewed up & spat out, I'm gonna make them work for it.