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ROXunreal
06-29-2009, 01:49 PM
Ok, so I got into dive bombing with fighters but the thing is, what the hell do I need to sink a carrier? I hit it with 2x1000lbs bombs and nothing happened? Is there any fighter-bomber that can carry the needed payload to sink a carrier. i don't want to fly something too big.

Also if someone knows specifically what kinds of bombs and how many are needed to sink different ships, please tell me. Do rockets do any damage whatsoever to ships?

And while I'm here, what are the AB bombs for? (at least I think it's "AB", don't remember, yellow with a black line on them, don't explode at all.)

ROXunreal
06-29-2009, 01:49 PM
Ok, so I got into dive bombing with fighters but the thing is, what the hell do I need to sink a carrier? I hit it with 2x1000lbs bombs and nothing happened? Is there any fighter-bomber that can carry the needed payload to sink a carrier. i don't want to fly something too big.

Also if someone knows specifically what kinds of bombs and how many are needed to sink different ships, please tell me. Do rockets do any damage whatsoever to ships?

And while I'm here, what are the AB bombs for? (at least I think it's "AB", don't remember, yellow with a black line on them, don't explode at all.)

Trefle
06-29-2009, 02:00 PM
Sinking a carrier is a team effort , i dive-bomb a lot (with SBD and Stuka ) and usually , it takes at least 2 of us to land a direct hit with 3X500 lb bombs to sink it , last time i sank one , i was the first to hit with three 500lb bombs , then 2 AI teammates in a SBD Dauntless finished the job . Most difficult is to dive bomb destroyers IMHO (and tanks in motion of course since they are small )

Rockets do damage to ships , u can sink smaller ships with it (i do this with the Jug , you can test it in the QMB , crimea map with AAA enabled , there is a warship and a few vessels sailing not far from spawning point ) , but nothing replaces bombs IMHO ( more powerful and you feel proud of it when you hit cause it requires practice , whereas firing rockets is very easy ) .

You can also sink carriers with the fearsome Tiny Tims with the F4U Corsair , it's quite effective

AB bombs are meant to inflict heavy casualties to troops and stuffs not heavily armoured if i remember well , the AB bomb contains lots of smaller fragmentation bombs .

SILVERFISH1992
06-29-2009, 02:07 PM
Napalm works great! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Blindman-
06-29-2009, 02:09 PM
The later Corsairs can carrie 4,000 Lb in bombs, and if droped one after the other (so the second volley lands in the same hole) a carrier (or battle ship) can easily be taken down with one plane.

[I just love the Corsair for ground/ship pounding.]

SILVERFISH1992
06-29-2009, 02:12 PM
I cant imagine what a 21 kilotons Atomic Bomb would do to a Aircraft carrier http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif.......I'm going to try it!
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt138/SILVERFISH1992/atomic.jpg

DKoor
06-29-2009, 02:16 PM
Try Heinkel loaded with torps...
Or better yet a schwarm of He-111's loaded with torps.

I think you will need at most two hits (two Heinkel that hit carrier).

If you want dive bombing or skip bombing use Ju-88 with 2xSC2000 for tests.

Anything less you need to hit carrier several times.

I think hitting the same spot on carrier helps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

DKoor
06-29-2009, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blindman-:
The later Corsairs can carrie 4,000 Lb in bombs, and if droped one after the other (so the second volley lands in the same hole) a carrier (or battle ship) can easily be taken down with one plane.

[I just love the Corsair for ground/ship pounding.] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah F4U rocks.
I think it is possible to do it with Tiny Tim + 1000lb loadout. I presume 2x1000lb + 1x2000lb works just nice too.

Don't know which one is more effective tho.

Trefle
06-29-2009, 02:46 PM
I have a question , were there any active IJN carrier left by the time the Corsairs arrived in numbers on the frontline ?

I have another question , when did the Ju-87 D5 first saw combat service ? i want the year and season if possible (or month , would be cool )

I aks this because i plan to do some historical missions , thank you for answers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TinyTim
06-29-2009, 02:47 PM
Ship DM is simple - it's divided into multiple sections. When one section receives critical damage, ship sinks. Which means - always try to hit the ship into the same spot, don't spread hits all over the ship.

Two TinyTims and a bit of luck should suffice for a Japanese carrier.

JtD
06-29-2009, 02:49 PM
2xTinyTim will sink a carrier, we've tested that a while ago online. Practice target was an Essex class carrier.

The F4U is easily the most capable fighter bomber in game and with the full loadout it looks cool to no end.

Trefle
06-29-2009, 03:44 PM
So nobody here has an idea to answer my questions ?

Ok nevermind , i'll try to look harder on the web but did not find yet , i think i'll use destroyers instead of carriers in this pacific 1944 mission then , and for the Stuka early 1943 campaign , i guess i'll use the D3

VW-IceFire
06-29-2009, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trefle:
So nobody here has an idea to answer my questions ?

Ok nevermind , i'll try to look harder on the web but did not find yet , i think i'll use destroyers instead of carriers in this pacific 1944 mission then , and for the Stuka early 1943 campaign , i guess i'll use the D3 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its more complex then you're asking except that just one fighter-bomber will not likely sink a destroyer except with a pair of Tiny Tim Rockets as JtD mentioned in the previous post. Even then it has to be a good hit or the carrier may stay afloat.

The best strategy for dealing with carriers several of us have discovered is a flat out sea level strike by a flight of Corsairs armed with 4000lbs of bombs (2x1000lb and 1x2000lb). Given possible losses...two Corsairs should be all thats needed.

Trefle
06-29-2009, 05:35 PM
Thanks Icefire for answer, that is kind of you mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Although my question was more about history , i wanted to know if in real life , US Navy Corsairs sank or attacked a Japanese carrier , i want to know that cause i want to build a historical mission and don't know if it's correct to replace Dauntless by Corsairs and if IJN still had active carriers after battle of Marianas

I also wanted to know when did the Stuka D5 first saw combat action historically , cause i'm building a Sevastopol campaign and i would like to know if it's an historical innacuracy if i put the Ju-87 D5 (the one with 20mm , in game it says 1942 but i'm not sure it saw action in 42) ) , i searched the web without result , thanks mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ROXunreal
06-29-2009, 07:07 PM
Well, today I threw a 2000lbs bomb and 2 tiny tims onto the midsection of a carrier, got it smoking, and returned with an SBD and its 1600bomb finished the job

THEN on the next map, a carrier withstood THREE torpedoes and an SC 500 and 4 SC idontknowhowmuch from an FW190, didn't even smoke like the last one did when it was damaged. Weird.

Trefle
06-29-2009, 08:04 PM
I was toying a bit on the QMB and attacking ships with various dive bombers , then i discovered Pe-2 is quite nice to dive bomb as well , i never really gave it a serious attention until now , i'll fly that one more from now on although it's a bit fragile when there's heavy flak

I agree that the Corsair is the real deal for bombing , really tough and with a great bomb load plus an airbrake and good manoeuvrability , i prefer it to the P-38 and P-47 for ground pounding now although it's a bit unstable during the dive when you dive bomb compared to specialized dive bombers like Stuka or Dauntless

JtD
06-29-2009, 09:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trefle:
I have a question , were there any active IJN carrier left by the time the Corsairs arrived in numbers on the frontline ?

I have another question , when did the Ju-87 D5 first saw combat service ? i want the year and season if possible (or month , would be cool )

I aks this because i plan to do some historical missions , thank you for answers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Corsair was introduced in 1943, by the end of the year a considerable number was on the frontline. At that point, the Japanese had lost 5 of their 7 largest fleet carriers (only Shokaku and Zuikaku left) and during the war they only commissioned 1 more (Taiho). There also was a handful of smaller carriers around. The Japanese completed some more carriers, which never got to see fleet duties, but were attacked nonetheless. Most famous of those is the Shinano.

Afaik, the Ju-87D5 was first used by III/StG 2 in the battle of Kursk July 1943.

Trefle
06-29-2009, 10:07 PM
Thanks a Lot JtD for answer , very much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

too bad there is no karma system in this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tully__
07-01-2009, 01:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trefle:
too bad there is no karma system in this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There is but it's turned off.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
Well, today I threw a 2000lbs bomb and 2 tiny tims onto the midsection of a carrier, got it smoking, and returned with an SBD and its 1600bomb finished the job

THEN on the next map, a carrier withstood THREE torpedoes and an SC 500 and 4 SC idontknowhowmuch from an FW190, didn't even smoke like the last one did when it was damaged. Weird. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As someone has already mentioned, the game divides a ship into three sections. If a particular ship requires 3500lbs high explosive to sink, you need to get at least that much explosive to hit one section of the ship for a result.

Also, if the aircraft delivering the bombs/torpedos is shot down before the weapon hits the ship the weapon does no damage.

Aviar
07-01-2009, 03:25 AM
Some of the answers here were correct and some were , let's say, misleading.

However, keep one thing in mind when discussing the ship DM. In some cases, you need to be specific about the particular ship. In other words, you shouldn't just say 'carrier', because different carriers have different DM's.

For instance, an escort carrier is easier to destroy than a full-sized carrier. Also, I believe the large Japanese carriers are easier to destroy than the large American carriers.

This also goes for destroyers. Some smaller ones can indeed be destroyed with rockets alone.

Aviar

ROXunreal
07-01-2009, 05:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tully__:
Also, if the aircraft delivering the bombs/torpedos is shot down before the weapon hits the ship the weapon does no damage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ooh, well that's it then, since I double torped a carrier but the torps hit after I was shot down

TS_Sancho
07-01-2009, 06:00 AM
1 Ju88 W/2 SC1800 on 4 second delay delivered at the water line will sink anything that floats in IL2.

I assume an equivalant ordanance delivered by any other aircraft in the same way will be equally effective.

You just have to make it through the AA first http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Blutarski2004
07-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Short of setting off really catastrophic secondary events aboard the target ship [hangar or avgas or ammunition fires for example] there is no way that two Tiny Tims should be capable of sinking a 30,000 ton ship.