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Superjew1
06-26-2009, 01:29 AM
I know next to nothing about this plane other than the last time I flew it was in Janes WWII Fighter and I preferred the P47D heavily over it for mopping up tanks, dogfighting and taking out bombers.

Well seeing how my grandpa's favorite plane is the P38 and Im now building a model plane for him Ive tried flying the P38J in the game.

I put together a Battle of the Bulge mission where I strafe a couple tanks/wirbelwinds and bomb and rocket them in a group of P38J's.

I dont like that it has no airbrakes so I have to make fast swooping dives than slow down and take my time like with a corsair, on the otherhand though I generally dont like using airbrakes because they also expose me to enemy fire longer.

It seems to climb really fast which may be because its a more powerful plane than what Im use to (F4U Corsair).

I dont have very many planes under my belt yet and I havent even tried dogfighting it, Im still learning how to strafe without crashing into the ground, what do you guys think a P38J excels at compared to other planes?

BTW I made one succesful landing with an engine out, I feathered the prop and came back on fire the whole time, it was intense.

Superjew1
06-26-2009, 01:29 AM
I know next to nothing about this plane other than the last time I flew it was in Janes WWII Fighter and I preferred the P47D heavily over it for mopping up tanks, dogfighting and taking out bombers.

Well seeing how my grandpa's favorite plane is the P38 and Im now building a model plane for him Ive tried flying the P38J in the game.

I put together a Battle of the Bulge mission where I strafe a couple tanks/wirbelwinds and bomb and rocket them in a group of P38J's.

I dont like that it has no airbrakes so I have to make fast swooping dives than slow down and take my time like with a corsair, on the otherhand though I generally dont like using airbrakes because they also expose me to enemy fire longer.

It seems to climb really fast which may be because its a more powerful plane than what Im use to (F4U Corsair).

I dont have very many planes under my belt yet and I havent even tried dogfighting it, Im still learning how to strafe without crashing into the ground, what do you guys think a P38J excels at compared to other planes?

BTW I made one succesful landing with an engine out, I feathered the prop and came back on fire the whole time, it was intense.

Gibbage1
06-26-2009, 01:58 AM
Its good at everything, but not the best any anything. Its a jack of all trades, and the true predecessor to modern day aircraft.

WTE_Galway
06-26-2009, 02:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Superjew1:
I know next to nothing about this plane other than the last time I flew it was in Janes WWII Fighter and I preferred the P47D heavily over it for mopping up tanks, dogfighting and taking out bombers.

Well seeing how my grandpa's favorite plane is the P38 and Im now building a model plane for him Ive tried flying the P38J in the game.

I put together a Battle of the Bulge mission where I strafe a couple tanks/wirbelwinds and bomb and rocket them in a group of P38J's.

I dont like that it has no airbrakes so I have to make fast swooping dives than slow down and take my time like with a corsair, on the otherhand though I generally dont like using airbrakes because they also expose me to enemy fire longer.

It seems to climb really fast which may be because its a more powerful plane than what Im use to (F4U Corsair).

I dont have very many planes under my belt yet and I havent even tried dogfighting it, Im still learning how to strafe without crashing into the ground, what do you guys think a P38J excels at compared to other planes?

BTW I made one succesful landing with an engine out, I feathered the prop and came back on fire the whole time, it was intense. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Listen to Gibbage he modeled it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Its an easy plane to fly acceptably and do OK in but a plane you need a LOT of practice in to fly well.

With asymmetric thrust and Fowler flaps it could dogfight if it needed to, but it also has the range and high altitude performance to excel in the escort role and the ROC to work as an interceptor. With the engines rotating the wrong way it was also one of the most stable gun platforms in the US arsenal.

Read what Joe Foss had to say back in '43 (page 5 of the interview) ...

http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Aircraft/VMF-121/

Its not a good online plane mainly because with double the points (two engines) you will get swamped on most servers by points *****s.

It also lacks the proper asymmetric thrust modeling in IL2 (hopefully SOW will model multi's properly) which limits its ability to dogfight well -- even though its not particularly historic most online servers turn into a WWI style furball.

Gibbage1
06-26-2009, 02:36 AM
Ya. There are some problems with IL2's limitations that keep the P-38 from performing to her true capabilities, but there is still a few members that can fly rings around other single engine fighters. Its a good aircraft. The best multi-roll aircraft in game bar none, but dont expect to out-turn a Zero in it. Keep her fast, keep her high, and keep her out of the enemy's gun sights.

DKoor
06-26-2009, 03:04 AM
Haha... P-38 may be the jack of all trades, but is also among IL-2 champions of unlucky FM/DM modeling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .
Just about anything impacts this plane, things like compressibility, it is on par with 109 hi-speed locking controls, one 7,62mm in one rudder will take out both rudders, tail which falls off a bit too much when hit...

I wonder how come it didn't had some bar modeled to obstruct the gunsight... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JtD
06-26-2009, 03:04 AM
Basically it can dogfight anything it can't outrun.

I usually take it as a fighter bomber online and with it I stand a good chance to make it home. It carries 2000lbs of bombs which is a very decent load. I climb to a good altitude and enter a dive near the dive limit, trim up, drop bombs, pull out, enter shallow climb, have half a dozen 109s on my six, level out, keep running, they give up, I go home.

If there's a 190 in the mix, it may catch up with me, then I dogfight and shoot it down.

Gibbage1
06-26-2009, 03:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
Haha... P-38 may be the jack of all trades, but is also among IL-2 champions of unlucky FM/DM modeling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .
Just about anything impacts this plane, things like compressibility, it is on par with 109 hi-speed locking controls, one 7,62mm in one rudder will take out both rudders, tail which falls off a bit too much when hit...

I wonder how come it didn't had some bar modeled to obstruct the gunsight... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Add this too your DM problems. The nose only had 1 ammo box DM. I was recently doing modifications for early E-G models, and found it that there is only 1 ammo box, and its the size of a VW. That means 1 hit into that ammo box, and ALL your guns are gone. Ever wonder why your guns get shot out real EZ? It will be fixed for the early models, but I cant do anything to the late models except make a J-25-LO

JtD
06-26-2009, 03:40 AM
You mean all 0.50 guns? I wouldn't bet on it but would say I've been using a limited number of them after some got shot out by hits. I know that the cannon is separate.

ROXunreal
06-26-2009, 04:01 AM
It's also good at being one of the most beautiful planes of WW2. Personal second best looking plane, and IMO the only US plane with character.

AllorNothing117
06-26-2009, 04:28 AM
What is good about the P-38?

- It looks fantastic
- Speed
- "Climbs like a homesick Angel"
- "Can out turn what it can't outrun"
- Excelent range
- Excelent High altitude performance
- Excelent bomb load (sometimes up to 6000lbs IRL)
- Nose mounted guns (highly underated IMO)
- Versitile
- Can operate elevators and rudder with one cable blown out
- Can land with one engine
- Stable gun platform
- Forgiving interms of stalling
- Engines can run for a long time befor overheating
- Was feared by the Japanees (nick-named "fork tailed devil")

Thats the tip of the iceberg and it's only my opinion so some people may dissagree. The main disadvantage is that it's undermodeled in this sim IMO. In practice I find that it can be highly effective against historical oponants, expecialy Japaneese. You will often find you are flying above your opponant 21,000 feet roughly for optimum performance whereas japanees planes were almost half that (correct me if I'm wrong) and you can either swoop down on then enemy, or let them come up to your level where they are not at their optimum performance. Remember it was a Bomber escort allot of the time. So the objective was to protect the bombers, not kill as many enemies as possible. I got frustrated when I first flew the P-38 cos I was playing quick missions at about 3000 meters against Zeros and trying to dogfight them. It's worth setting up historicaly acurate missions to apretiate why it was so sucessful IRL, I recomend the Richard Ira Bong campaign./ Realisticaly you should have a massive hight advantage and be fighting, generaly, slower enemies. If you want a more challanging experience fly against some 109's/FW190's, that way you may find you are not able to outrun the enemy and will have to outmanouver them!

All in all it's a fantastic plane! It's my absolute favorite by a long way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My one bit of advice is this... Play online, offline the AI becomes tedious. I don't want to go into it as I will spark heated debate I'm sure and I bring it up too often! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif But take from someone who is in love with the 38, fly her online, go smash those point *****s. XD

DKoor
06-26-2009, 04:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
Haha... P-38 may be the jack of all trades, but is also among IL-2 champions of unlucky FM/DM modeling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .
Just about anything impacts this plane, things like compressibility, it is on par with 109 hi-speed locking controls, one 7,62mm in one rudder will take out both rudders, tail which falls off a bit too much when hit...

I wonder how come it didn't had some bar modeled to obstruct the gunsight... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Add this too your DM problems. The nose only had 1 ammo box DM. I was recently doing modifications for early E-G models, and found it that there is only 1 ammo box, and its the size of a VW. That means 1 hit into that ammo box, and ALL your guns are gone. Ever wonder why your guns get shot out real EZ? It will be fixed for the early models, but I cant do anything to the late models except make a J-25-LO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I've noticed gun jamming yes, when I get the message it usually isn't one gun but more guns at once... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

BTW looking forward to more detailed (read = better, nicer to fly) P-38's from your factory in the future http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif .

edit.
J-25 model introduced aileron boosters, no?

JG53Frankyboy
06-26-2009, 05:01 AM
in the old and gone times of VOW online war the MED missions with P-38J vs Bf109G-6 (without MK108!) were very interesting fights and had alwasy an "open" end !

in the PTO, the P-38 is just a pure killer against the Zeros, Oscars, Tonies and japanese bombers.
that was a tough time for the Axis players http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TinyTim
06-26-2009, 05:26 AM
Apart from the things other guys already mentioned, I really, really like its guns combined with its stability as a gun platform.

4 fifties packed close together in the nose with no convergence issues (convergence is "everywhere") offer an incredible punch already, add a 20mm hispano and nearly unlimited ammosupply (500 rpg for the .50s)... just awesome. On top of this, P-38 has contrarotating propellers, which make it very stable and easy to aim with. This all enables you to shoot accurately from point blank out to 500 or 600 meters with all of your guns on target.

Kettenhunde
06-26-2009, 05:37 AM
It should be good for killing other airplanes, which is what Lockheed intended it to do!

The armament setup is ideal and the lack of propeller effects should make it an extremely good gun platform with the performance to dogfight with any of its design contemporaries.

All the best,

Crumpp

VW-IceFire
06-26-2009, 07:39 AM
I love flying the P-38 as part of a strike package. Get 4 guys together and fly to a target and absolutely take that target apart. Once the bombs and rockets are gone you're now essentially transformed into fighter mode and you can mutually support your fellow pilots as you leave the target area and head home.

It undeniably has some DM/FM modelling issues but I have so much fun with this plane that I tend to try and ignore those as much as possible. You can pull some funky aerobatic stunts and if you practise really hard you can give single engine fighters a real run for their money. I know I myself have surprised more than a few 109s who thought they could out dogfight me in the 38...much to their surprise I was able to out turn and out accelerate them and cut them up. The 38 is not an easy plane to master and I still don't think I'm anywhere close...but its a great plane to fly no matter what.

I also should point out that historically the P-38 was the ONLY heavy fighter concept that actually worked as a heavy fighter. The rest of them turned into very good attack or fighter-bomber types at best...the P-38 is a true fighter.

ROXunreal
06-26-2009, 08:00 AM
P-38 would be a lot better to me if I figured out how to map the separate engines on separate throttle levers on my Saitek Aviator

BillSwagger
06-26-2009, 08:38 AM
Its a fast plane, but other than that its good for shooting at... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


If piloted well, this plane is a formidable foe.

Gammelpreusse
06-26-2009, 08:54 AM
What it is good for?

well, easy...shooting others down!

Really, the 38, if handled right, is a great plane. Someone stated it's the allied 109 in it's flight characteristics, and I have to agree. It's a bit more wobbly though when it comes to shooting. Nevertheless, flown right, it has some marvelous capabilitites, The L version especially as its air brakes coupled with it's great acceleration make for great maneuvering possibilitites.

It's my fav allied ride, really.

RegRag1977
06-26-2009, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
It should be good for killing other airplanes, which is what Lockheed intended it to do!

The armament setup is ideal and the lack of propeller effects should make it an extremely good gun platform with the performance to dogfight with any of its design contemporaries.

All the best,

Crumpp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is exactly like that in game.

RegRag1977
06-26-2009, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I love flying the P-38 as part of a strike package. Get 4 guys together and fly to a target and absolutely take that target apart. Once the bombs and rockets are gone you're now essentially transformed into fighter mode and you can mutually support your fellow pilots as you leave the target area and head home.

It undeniably has some DM/FM modelling issues but I have so much fun with this plane that I tend to try and ignore those as much as possible. You can pull some funky aerobatic stunts and if you practise really hard you can give single engine fighters a real run for their money. I know I myself have surprised more than a few 109s who thought they could out dogfight me in the 38...much to their surprise I was able to out turn and out accelerate them and cut them up. The 38 is not an easy plane to master and I still don't think I'm anywhere close...but its a great plane to fly no matter what.

I also should point out that historically the P-38 was the ONLY heavy fighter concept that actually worked as a heavy fighter. The rest of them turned into very good attack or fighter-bomber types at best...the P-38 is a true fighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to forget the nice cockpit repaint by JAMF:

http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll457/RegRag77/il2fb2009-06-2618-04-22-85.jpg

http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll457/RegRag77/il2fb2009-06-2618-04-12-28.jpg

http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll457/RegRag77/il2fb2009-06-2618-04-02-62.jpg

http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll457/RegRag77/il2fb2009-06-2618-03-48-17.jpg

Yes this bird is sensational http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Trefle
06-26-2009, 10:17 AM
P-38 is a very good plane , yesterday i was flying briefly in Spitvs109 server , the planeset was meant to put the P-38 in evidence , Axis could only fly 109F4Trop , 109G6 and MC.202's against P-38 and Spitfires .

We managed without radio (allied were almost all on comms ) to destroy a few Spits with our 109 trop , but P-38 were really in another league in term of speed , someone called JG7_Max or something got a P-38 with head on attack as i saw in the ntrk , but overall when P-38 were flown by good pilots, keeping their speed up and helping each other with radio comms , there was little we could do as their had the initiative of engagement and could disengage at will by diving .

Looking at the ntrk track i don't know if they changed something in FM in the AAA UI 1.1 mod or 4.09 , but P-38 defintely was a beast of speed , seemed noticeably faster than what i'm used to see in 4.08 servers

SILVERFISH1992
06-26-2009, 10:23 AM
Why would they get rid of somthing so special?
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt138/SILVERFISH1992/graveyard.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

idonno
06-26-2009, 10:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SILVERFISH1992:
Why would they get rid of somthing so special?
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt138/SILVERFISH1992/graveyard.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just wrong.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Gammelpreusse
06-26-2009, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by idonno:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SILVERFISH1992:
Why would they get rid of somthing so special?
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt138/SILVERFISH1992/graveyard.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just wrong.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nah, that's economy. It's even worse today.

robtek1957
06-26-2009, 11:24 AM
The biggest plague of our time:
leading men (women) with calculators instead of hearts!

J_Weaver
06-26-2009, 11:25 AM
Another P-38 fan checkig in!

Initially, I hated the P-38 along with the P-47 and FW-190. I didn't understand how to fly them.

They are all 3 energy fighters, not dogfighters. Getting low, slow and trying to turn and burn means you're dead meat. Once I figured out the concept of Altitude = Speed = Enerngy = Life, everything changed. I now prefer these aircraft over the more nimble fighters.

The P-38 is dominant in the PTO. In the ETO/MTO, 109's and 190's make the fight a bit more even, but a P-38 in the hands of a skilled pilot is still a match for most anything. The speed and power of the P-38 means you fight on your terms. You can engage and disengage at will. Your opponent can only hope you run out of ammo or get bored and leave!

As someone else mentioned, against its historical opponents the P-38 is superb. It wasn't called the fork tailed devil for nothing! Once you figure out how to "boom and zoom" and deflection shooting, the P-38 and similar aircraft are a joy to fly and fight with.

idonno
06-26-2009, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gammelpreusse:

nah, that's economy. It's even worse today.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's wrong.

And now you're wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

It's wrong, and you're wrong, because it's wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

staticline1
06-26-2009, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor: J-25 model introduced aileron boosters, no? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep you got it. I for some reason kept thinkng it was the J-30 but looked it up but its the J-25.

BillSwagger
06-26-2009, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by idonno:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gammelpreusse:

nah, that's economy. It's even worse today.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's wrong.

And now you're wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

It's wrong, and you're wrong, because it's wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


dam...

since he's wrong, then that makes them wrong,
and if they're wrong, then i'm right.

and if i'm right, then you are wrong.



Energy fighting is the way to go.
P-38, P-47, P-51 as well as many German designs do it well.
To say an energy fighter couldn't also turn and burn isn't always true. Generally a good energy fighter pilot can use both BnZ, and TnB tactics while flying.

I personally steer towards the P-47, but the P-38 is just as effective at these tactics, I just happen to think the 38 is a larger target, and prone to damage.



Anyone use separate engine throttles on the 38, and use them to do crazy maneuvers??? Like dropping the throttle on one side to help swing around in a turn.

slipBall
06-26-2009, 05:03 PM
Major John W. Mitchell leader of Yamamoto Mission would tell you its a fine aircraft.

RPMcMurphy
06-26-2009, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RPMcMurphy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SILVERFISH1992:
Why would they get rid of somthing so special?
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt138/SILVERFISH1992/graveyard.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Death destruction and tragedy = War fatigue.
Without giving a ratsass about who may care about these planes in the distant future and it is somewhat understandable for economic reasons too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gibbage1
06-27-2009, 02:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SILVERFISH1992:
Why would they get rid of somthing so special?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There were similar piles of just about every other front-line fighter after the end of the war. It would of cost them more to ship it back to the states then to just plow them over. There are similar stories of hundreds of 109's buried under runways after the war. Also lots of Navy aircraft were simply pushed off the deck.

FatCat_99
06-27-2009, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Add this too your DM problems. The nose only had 1 ammo box DM. I was recently doing modifications for early E-G models, and found it that there is only 1 ammo box, and its the size of a VW. That means 1 hit into that ammo box, and ALL your guns are gone. Ever wonder why your guns get shot out real EZ? It will be fixed for the early models, but I cant do anything to the late models except make a J-25-LO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wrong again, single hit will not disable all of your MG.

Answer to OP is, P-38 is good for everything and excellent in ground pounding role. For a capable pilot Dora is only serious opposition.

Plane have undeserved bad reputation in Il2 just because it is often used for ground pounding and its pilots than found themself in disadvantageous position when enemy show up.

If you want to T'n'B in late war American plane than P-38 is perfect choice.

FC

JtD
06-27-2009, 03:22 AM
Fatcat, I think Gibbage is right with what he says. A hit to a gun will disable only the gun, but a hit to the ammo box will render all guns useless.

Friendly_flyer
06-27-2009, 03:30 AM
I personally enjoy groundwork more than dogfighting, and I fund the Lightning a very pleasant plane to work with. It has a very useful loadout and flies well. In a way it can be compared to the Hurricane, an excellent ground-pounder and a decent fighter if you know how to use it.

DKoor
06-27-2009, 03:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatCat_99:
Plane have undeserved bad reputation in Il2 just because it is often used for ground pounding and its pilots than found themself in disadvantageous position when enemy show up.

If you want to T'n'B in late war American plane than P-38 is perfect choice.

FC </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1

FatCat_99
06-27-2009, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Fatcat, I think Gibbage is right with what he says. A hit to a gun will disable only the gun, but a hit to the ammo box will render all guns useless. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Java code says something else but I'll leave open possibility that there is a bug somewhere. Plane was nor made with intention that single bullet in ammo box will disable all of the MG's.

I'll check this precisely later today, it shouldn't be that hard to hit that ammo box.

FC

Gammelpreusse
06-27-2009, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by idonno:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gammelpreusse:

nah, that's economy. It's even worse today.

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No, it's wrong.

And now you're wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

It's wrong, and you're wrong, because it's wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

dang, now I am confused http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
06-28-2009, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
P-38 would be a lot better to me if I figured out how to map the separate engines on separate throttle levers on my Saitek Aviator </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUST SEARCH THE FORUMS!!!

DKoor
06-28-2009, 09:12 AM
That hard to explain? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
06-28-2009, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
P-38 would be a lot better to me if I figured out how to map the separate engines on separate throttle levers on my Saitek Aviator </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUST SEARCH THE FORUMS!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
That hard to explain? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Topic: Someone already uses DUAL throttle controls CH??? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/156103744?r=1121049526#1121049526):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I have found a way to use my homemade quadrant!
It is not PLAYSKOOL-easy, but it can be done by anyone with 1hour to spare. It's done through a Programmable Input Emulator (which creates an IMAGE JOYSTICK as "ALchohol120%" does for CDROMs.)
Then, u can map this virtual joystick to press SELECT_ENGINE#1 when u move the throttles for engine#1" and SELECT_ENGINE#2 when u move the throttles for engine#2.

Instructions:
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1) Download Carl Kenner's GLovePIE and install it. It helps u control almost any INPUT your PC can have (joysticks, gamepads, mice, keyboards, MIDI input devices, HMDs, Wiimotes, voicecommands, trackers (IRtrack), and of course, Virtual Reality gloves)

2) Download and install PPJoy so as to be able to create a virtual Parallel Port Joystick. You will use this "PPjoy1" to send strings of commands to IL2. TheRiddler has uploaded videoTutorials for GLOVEPIE (mainly for wiimotes but they are helpful, SO DONT FORGET TO THANK HIM).

3) Make sure u have installed PPJOY and GLOVEPIE. Then go create a virtual PPJoystick from PPJOY. Make sure u choose a joystick that has as many axis and buttons as u need, or just create a custom one.
-If u r running WINBLOWS XP then u will be asked whether or not u want to install UNSIGNED DRIVERS. These are the drivers for your virtualPPJOY, just say "CONTINUE ANYWAY" whenever u r asked.
-Next, make sure there is a new joystick installed through windows control panel/game controllers. You should be able to see a "PPJOY VIRTUAL JOYSTICK 1".

4)Run GlovePIE. It is a program that allows u to assign whatever INPUT you can imagine to a key or keycombination of your virtual PPjoystick. THE POTENTIAL OF THIS SOFTWARE IS NEAR TO INFINITE. Go to glovePIE's HELP/preliminary documentation to see a command-list. FROM here on you can free your mind and create.

THIS IS WHAT I COME UP WITH:
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IT DOES NOT WORK 100% ** THERE R BUGS ** THE EFFORT TO PERFECT IT IS STILL
IN ITS INFANCY, LEts hELP EACH OTHER MAKE IT BETTER ** EVEN PROGRAMS ON SALE
CANNOT DEAL WITH IL2'S LUCK OF DUAL/QUADRANT-THROTTLES-SUPPORT WITHOUT BUGS ** THE CODE IS
HERE TO GIVE U IDEAS, IT CANNOT SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS **************************
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ppjoy1.analog0 = joy2.x //my left throttle = 1rst axis of ppjoy1.Analog0. ppjoy1.Analog0 will be set as POWER in IL2'
if delta(joy2.x) &gt;&lt; 0 then //if motion is detected on the left throttle
ppjoy1.digital0 = true //press the SELECT_ENGINE1 button ( =ppjoy1.digital0)
wait(3 ms) //wait for 3 ms (*experiment on this before setting it*)
ppjoy1.digital0 = false //UNpress the SELECT_ENGINE1 button
endif

ppjoy1.analog0 = joy2.y //my right throttle = 1rst axis of ppjoy1, same as the left. the ppjoy1.analog0 will be set as POWER in IL2
if delta(joy2.y) &gt;&lt; 0 then //if motion is detected on the right throttle
ppjoy1.digital1 = true //press the SELECT_ENGINE2 button ( =ppjoy1.digital1)
wait(3 ms) //wait for 3 ms (*experiment on this before setting it*)
ppjoy1.digital1 = false //UNpress the SELECT_ENGINE2 button
endif



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THEN CLICK RUN TO TEST IT! go to glovepIE's "CP-settings/Joystick" and use your quADrant/dual throttle and see if it works.

5) If everything works, go to wherever u have installed il2 and find a folder named Users. Inside it u will find another folder named DOE which carries your settings (default: C:\program files\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946\Users\doe\settings.ini). BACK UP THE "settings.ini" FILE!! I REPEAT:*****BACK UP THE "settings.ini" FILE******.

OPEN settings.ini and find the "engineSelect1"(use Ctrl+F) so as to assign a "select engine1 button" from your PPJOYvirtualJOYSTICK
example:

Joystick0 JoystickDevice2=EngineSelect1


which means "1rst button(0) of the 3rd joystick device (2) = select engine 1"
that is because IL2 starts counting buttons/joystick from 0! because of this:
joystickdevice0 = 1rst joystick
joystickdevice1 = 2nd joystick
joystickdevice2 = 3rd joystick etc...
Joystick0 JoystickDevice2 = 1rst button of 3rd joystick
joystick3 joystickdevice0 = 4th button of 1rst joystick etc..

Do the same for "EngineSelect2" and "EngineSelectAll"

YOU CAN get my WORKING Configuration IF you just add this under [HotKey pilot] line:

Joystick0 JoystickDevice2=EngineSelect1
Joystick1 JoystickDevice2=EngineSelect2



and this under [HotKey move]line in the setting.ini

AXE_X JoystickDevice2=-power


THIS COVERS ONLY ENGINE#1 and ENGINE#2 control.

SAve changes for settings.ini and exit.

6) NOW FOR THE TEST.
Make sure glovePIE is runing with the commands u want to use. if not, click RUN.
Cross fingers and RUN IL2...

7) If everything fails, just write your own code and send it back to me to make me understand any mistakes i have made.
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Topic Multiple engine control, brakes+parkbrakes control from settings.ini hack (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3651074467?r=3651074467#3651074467)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I was able to use multiple engine control and brakes+parkbrakes control from a simple hack in "IL-2 Sturmovik 1946\Users\doe\settings.ini" file.

AXE_RX JoystickDevice3=-power
AXE_Z JoystickDevice3=-power
AXE_RZ JoystickDevice3=trimrudder
AXE_U JoystickDevice3=trimaileron
AXE_U JoystickDevice1=brakes
AXE_RZ JoystickDevice2=brakes
AXE_U JoystickDevice2=brakes
AXE_V JoystickDevice3=-trimelevator
AXE_X JoystickDevice3=flaps
AXE_X JoystickDevice2=-rudder
AXE_X JoystickDevice1=aileron
AXE_Y JoystickDevice3=-pitch
AXE_Y JoystickDevice1=elevator



As you can see BRAKES and POWER is assigned simultaneously to many different axes. The game will read input from ALL assigned axes.

Multiple Engine Control
I use GlovePIE to press "select engine 1" if i move the left-engine throttle, and "select engine 2 if i move the right-engine throttle. Thus, i am able to control both engines individually.

Brakes and Parkbrakes
I have assigned brakes to both my 2 pedals and an unused slider on my joystick. By doing this i am able to control brakes with my feet AND keep them locked/braked from my slider.


This hack will STOP WORKING when you access the "CONTROLS" menu inside the game. If you open the CONTROLS menu, the game will only keep 1 axis assigned to every action. You will have to reset it from "settings.ini".

Hope this will be of some help to anyone..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Topic Sim Pit Builder/Stick Modder Thread - Part 2 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/5271012437?r=2061024567#2061024567):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> quote:
Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by m_gansler:
How did you map the two sliders to left and right throttle? I haven't seen anything in IL2 to do that. I have seen the buttons to select enginers individually, but not a way to permanently assign engines to each slider.

Thanks,

Mike



This can be done through many different ways.


* Through Shinjiro's way

* Through a simple hack in settings.ini of your installation. You assign both axes to control "POWER", and then create a program/script that presses "select engine #1"/"select engine #2" when you move one of the throttles.
Read more here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...651074467#3651074467

* Through GLOVEPIE. You create a script in GLOVEPIE in which you assign POWER to both axes. Whenever you move one axis, the program presses "select engine #1"/"select engine #2". You can read very detailed instructions and find working scripts here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...921049526#2921049526
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Blindman-
06-28-2009, 02:51 PM
Superjew1, I'm not sure if you are aware that the J version of the P-38 has problems with compressibility (the controls lock up at high speeds, such as in a dive). I recommend the P-38 L late '44 to get around this problem (while retaining most of the performance of the P-38 J).

DKoor
06-28-2009, 02:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Sorry mate, but forum search doesn't work completely, plus it isn't clear what he has to search... I know because I couldn't find some of my own threads until I found "view all post by user..." as Tully pointed me to. Thanks for posting the full answer!

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NuMcA_of_CS
06-28-2009, 03:58 PM
You r welcome! http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/th_pilotfly.gif (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/?action=view&current=pilotfly.gif)