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Airmail109
01-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Not only because they fought for their country.

But because also many of them suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

I have first hand expirience of it, and i can tell you it royally sucks.

Spare a thought for the guys please. I was a little wound up today after seeing someone disrepect a vet.

Not enough is done for veterans coming back with this disorder.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Airmail109
01-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Not only because they fought for their country.

But because also many of them suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

I have first hand expirience of it, and i can tell you it royally sucks.

Spare a thought for the guys please. I was a little wound up today after seeing someone disrepect a vet.

Not enough is done for veterans coming back with this disorder.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-19-2007, 03:20 PM
War really pushes the moral and mental envelope of anyone till unbearable limits. It's easy to have your mind and soul broken by unspeakable terrible experiences like those you have to live every minute, every day, when you're -voluntarily or not- involved in a war, per se, the most extreme of human circumstances.

No one should have to live through that, and those who survive should be treated with care and tact.

Choctaw111
01-19-2007, 06:23 PM
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
01-19-2007, 06:43 PM
I too have the utmost respect for combat veterans.

Choctaw..... My heart goes out to you buddy. They will get it though.... they will just have to get older. Talk to them though. Especially your sons.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MadRuski
01-19-2007, 06:46 PM
Back in the day, having PTSD after a war was seen as embarresing and pathetic and not how a man should act after a war, and all people didnt understand or repsect that illness.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-19-2007, 07:30 PM
you know what really sux is we give so little support to combat vets. i was just thinking about this today. we should force the goverment to entitle all combat vets to the same pention plan as Congress has. that and they should be excluded from paying any income tax for life.

have to dodge 1 bullet or IED = tax exemt forever.
i would vote and support that 100% and i'm NOT a vet. we should do more and damn it I WANT TO DO MORE.
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Esel1964
01-19-2007, 10:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Choctaw,all the best to you and your family,I'm sorry to hear that,I hope things will work out with God's Help.
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RAF74_Raptor
01-19-2007, 10:34 PM
Choctaw I am a Vet as Well if you ever need someone to talk to Im here

The Funny thing is even after Three years Firecrackers still scare the hell out of me

Waldo.Pepper
01-19-2007, 10:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Three years Firecrackers still scare the hell out of me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Rammathorn_
01-19-2007, 11:20 PM
I truly appreciate all of the sacrifices the veterans of my country (US) have taken on my behalf. The fact that a person like me will likely never be able to relate to the pains felt by those in uniform is a testament to their efforts. God bless.

Eagle_361st
01-20-2007, 12:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Choctaw,
If you need a shoulder to lean on I am here brother. I am also a combat vet suffering from this, and I would be more than willing to aid in anyway I can. Although I have been classified as "slight" I understand where you and the rest of us are coming from. It's better to talk about it, despite how hard it may be, you have to find the right outlet for it and get it off your chest. It has helped me leaps and bounds.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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buglord
01-20-2007, 12:58 AM
I myself is not a vet but i agree they dont get enough respect or support. If you ever need to have a chat choc m8 you know im on comms with ya on sundays m8, im there if you need me bud.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-20-2007, 01:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you haven't already, you should check out the vet center. They can really help.

-HH-Quazi
01-20-2007, 01:51 AM
Had an uncle that spent four 18 month tours in Viet-Nam. He got shot across the gut in Kopea with a machine gun. They brought him home to die in Walter Reed. But he didn't. And he healed up enough to finally continue his military career. My mother tells me since that very first incident, he was never the same. And he went to Nam & kept going back in order to get some payback. He served as a Ranger in the jungles of Nam. He wouldn't speak of it years later until he had had a few drinks. After he reached a certain level of being drunk, he would share with me some of the things he said he could never forgive himself for. As a young man who loved his uncle very much, I felt sorry for him, knowing the hell he had to live every day with those memories there to haunt him every second of every day. And all he got was a few medals for a lifetime of mental torture.

Yea, I agree. Veterans of war should be taken very good care of. They should never have to worry where their next meal is coming from. Whether or not they will have a bed to sleep in or a roof over their heads. So many are homeless & destitute, especially in this country. Main stream society treats them as outsiders, lepers of some kind. If I were a rich man, I know I would make it a priority to properly take care of all the war veterans I could possibly afford to. And take care of them the way they deserve to be taken care of. And they need not ever know who their benefactor is. They just need to know that their sacrifice was & is appreciated and they need not every worry or be in need of anything. It is my hope that someone with those kind of resources feels the same and that there are a few lucky veterans being taken care of in such a way. God bless the war veterans of every country!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Worf101
01-20-2007, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you haven't already, you should check out the vet center. They can really help. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unfortunately, spoken like someone who's never been to a V.A. Center. I hope that something tht no-one has to experience. Maybe they've gotten better since I was in the Army lo those many years ago, but I've not been in one in 30 years... the way I was treated, I'd rather die in the gutter..

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Choctaw111
01-20-2007, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you haven't already, you should check out the vet center. They can really help. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the last three years I have gone to the VA 3 times a week for physical therapy and for phsychological therapy as well. They have been a big help for the most part as far as therapy is concerned but they are a bunch of cheap pennypinchers which I will get into later in the post. I was diagnosed with acute chronic PTSD plus Rheumatiod and Osteoarthritis affecting my back, legs and shoulders, not to mention a neurological disorder from a bad head injury, all from the same "incidents". The neurological disorder is one of the biggest troubles as it causes numbness in my legs, hands and face and affects my eyesite. It makes it so hard sometimes to work the controls for IL2 and to spot those tiny dots in the distance sometimes. I just remember what it was like playing this sim years ago before all of this happened. I still enjoy it very much and my oldest son who is now almost 13 is getting quite good at it also. Now if I can only get my wife to try it out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
About getting the government to recognize this as a serious problem I do believe that they are. I was informed last month that I will be collecting full Social Security Disability plus my VA rating should go up as a result of this also. For those vets out there who are suffering badly from PTSD (and maybe other things like me) please file for Social Security Disability. It took me 2 years before I was finally given a fully favorable decision by a judge (who was former Navy which I believe helped). It has been a long road but now in the near future some money will finally be coming in as SSD takes time to get everything finalized. The VA is just an organization who gives the vets as little money as possible for their service. You have to fight for everything you are entitled to. It is a shame that the vets have to do this. For the most part the vets just get discouraged and give up on their disability claims. The government counts on this as this is their way of saving money. It is a very sad truth. You just have to be persistent and fight for everything you have EARNED. I have no quarrel nor feel badly or guilty (nor should any other vet) about collecting money for the rest of my life due to the fact that the severity of my injuries prevents me from ever holding down any gainful employment. That is the price that I have paid for freedom. If the government wants to send soldiers into a combat zone and they come home all banged up they darn well better be ready to pay those soldiers some decent compensation for it! I hope that I do not sound too haughty or proud but that is how I feel at this point after waiting 3 years for the VA and 2 years for Social Security. I have only been collecting a miniscule % from the VA for the past 6 months and they water down the medical findings so much and try to get away with giving you as little money as possible. I owe so much to the Social Security judge for getting to the bottom of this whole VA debacle. The next several months will tell how the VA reacts to the judges decision. I probably should not have shared this as I do not share financial matters here on the forums but I did it to let you vets out there know that this money is out there for you and I am telling you to go after everything you are entitled to.
On a final note I want to thank my wife so much for going out to work everyday when that was once my responsibility. If it wasn't for her I do not know where we as a family would be right now. Heres to you Mrs. Choctaw... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

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Choctaw111
01-20-2007, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you haven't already, you should check out the vet center. They can really help. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the last three years I have gone to the VA 3 times a week for physical therapy and for phsychological therapy as well. They have been a big help for the most part as far as therapy is concerned but they are a bunch of cheap pennypinchers which I will get into later in the post. I was diagnosed with acute chronic PTSD plus Rheumatiod and Osteoarthritis affecting my back, legs and shoulders, not to mention a neurological disorder from a bad head injury, all from the same "incidents". The neurological disorder is one of the biggest troubles as it causes numbness in my legs, hands and face and affects my eyesite. It makes it so hard sometimes to work the controls for IL2 and to spot those tiny dots in the distance sometimes. I just remember what it was like playing this sim years ago before all of this happened. I still enjoy it very much and my oldest son who is now almost 13 is getting quite good at it also. Now if I can only get my wife to try it out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
About getting the government to recognize this as a serious problem I do believe that they are. I was informed last month that I will be collecting full Social Security Disability plus my VA rating should go up as a result of this also. For those vets out there who are suffering badly from PTSD (and maybe other things like me) please file for Social Security Disability. It took me 2 years before I was finally given a fully favorable decision by a judge (who was former Navy which I believe helped). It has been a long road but now in the near future some money will finally be coming in as SSD takes time to get everything finalized. The VA is just an organization who gives the vets as little money as possible for their service. You have to fight for everything you are entitled to. It is a shame that the vets have to do this. For the most part the vets just get discouraged and give up on their disability claims. The government counts on this as this is their way of saving money. It is a very sad truth. You just have to be persistent and fight for everything you have EARNED. I have no quarrel nor feel badly or guilty (nor should any other vet) about collecting money for the rest of my life due to the fact that the severity of my injuries prevents me from ever holding down any gainful employment. That is the price that I have paid for freedom. If the government wants to send soldiers into a combat zone and they come home all banged up they darn well better be ready to pay those soldiers some decent compensation for it! I hope that I do not sound too haughty or proud but that is how I feel at this point after waiting 3 years for the VA and 2 years for Social Security. I have only been collecting a miniscule % from the VA for the past 6 months and they water down the medical findings so much and try to get away with giving you as little money as possible. I owe so much to the Social Security judge for getting to the bottom of this whole VA debacle. The next several months will tell how the VA reacts to the judges decision. I probably should not have shared this as I do not share financial matters here on the forums but I did it to let you vets out there know that this money is out there for you and I am telling you to go after everything you are entitled to.
On a final note I want to thank my wife so much for going out to work everyday when that was once my responsibility. If it wasn't for her I do not know where we as a family would be right now. Heres to you Mrs. Choctaw... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I also fly with a very good bunch of guys in the 23rd and 33rd squadrons. We have a lot of fun together and we have a very tight knit group. Please check out our website. We are always looking for other good pilots to share our great experiences with. http://raf23sqn.dogfighters.net/<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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wayno7777
01-20-2007, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
you know what really sux is we give so little support to combat vets. i was just thinking about this today. we should force the goverment to entitle all combat vets to the same pention plan as Congress has. that and they should be excluded from paying any income tax for life.

have to dodge 1 bullet or IED = tax exemt forever.
i would vote and support that 100% and i'm NOT a vet. we should do more and damn it I WANT TO DO MORE.
better stop i'm getting pissed just thinking about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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huggy87
01-20-2007, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Man, that is so strange you bring that up today. My therapist just told me today that I need to find a way to tell my sons what PTSD is so that they can better understand what is going on in my head and how they can maybe help me out or at least avoid certain situations. They can understand my physical disabilities just fine but not the PTSD. All they know is that I am much different than I was before I went away. They have told me that they want their "old" dad back. Hearing things like that from my kids breaks my heart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you haven't already, you should check out the vet center. They can really help. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unfortunately, spoken like someone who's never been to a V.A. Center. I hope that something tht no-one has to experience. Maybe they've gotten better since I was in the Army lo those many years ago, but I've not been in one in 30 years... the way I was treated, I'd rather die in the gutter..

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The VA really did the vietnam generation wrong. They have acknowledged that, and gone to great lengths to rectify that with the latest generation. The VA hospitals here in California (so I'm told, I'm still in) are actually better than most other hospitals. The vet centers are separate from the VA, they are more for moral support, help in the community, or just a place to talk.