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mean_mango
09-12-2008, 06:40 AM
It's a very capable and tough bird, but I just can't seem to get the better of german fighters when I'm flying this thing.

Especially the 109, it's faster, has a better climb, and seems more maneuverable. I just can't get into a good firing position.

I'm sure the P-39 has some unique, magnificent qualities that I could capitalize on. Does anyone have any suggestions? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

mean_mango
09-12-2008, 06:40 AM
It's a very capable and tough bird, but I just can't seem to get the better of german fighters when I'm flying this thing.

Especially the 109, it's faster, has a better climb, and seems more maneuverable. I just can't get into a good firing position.

I'm sure the P-39 has some unique, magnificent qualities that I could capitalize on. Does anyone have any suggestions? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

P.FunkAdelic
09-12-2008, 06:47 AM
I haven't read this yet but I found it on Mission4Today. Most stuff there is helpful. This should be a start at least.

P-39 Guide (http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=286)

X32Wright
09-12-2008, 06:57 AM
It plainly means ur turning and slowing down. Don't follow a 109 on a climb and this is a good idea even for spits!

The trick with the p-39 is to TURN WITH SPEED. yes you read that's right ONLY DO HIGH SPEED turns with it above 340kph since the 109 won't be able to follow. Always use ur speed advantage and learn energy management. This means a well TRIMMED plane, proper mixture, coordinated flying (ruder and throttle and stick combo when turning) etc. If you have to climb only do high speed shallow climbs.

mean_mango
09-12-2008, 08:55 AM
That's gold. Thanks, gentlemen! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Marcel_Albert
09-12-2008, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mean_mango:
It's a very capable and tough bird, but I just can't seem to get the better of german fighters when I'm flying this thing.

Especially the 109, it's faster, has a better climb, and seems more maneuverable. I just can't get into a good firing position.

I'm sure the P-39 has some unique, magnificent qualities that I could capitalize on. Does anyone have any suggestions? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only way with P-39 is to use its ability to keep energy and speed thx to its excellent aerodynamics .

X32Wright is spot on IMO , he said it all , last thing to do with a P-39 is to get lured into low speed fighting (below 300 km/h or 185 mph ) because at this speed , you'll risk to spin if you are too brutal in your manoeuvres , most 109 will outturn and outroll you at such low speeds .

Best tactic is probably "boom and zoom" , fight at medium speed the 109 , between 300 and 500 km/h (185 to 300 mph ) , use frontal attacks everytime you can against 109's , against 190 it is different , don't bleed too much energy in fights because 109 will lose speed quicker than you during sustained turning fights , usually will try to outclimb you in spiral , so don't forget to close your rad and follow him in vertical manoeuvres only if you have more energy than him , and yes trimming (rudder trim , ball in the centre ) and good use of prop pitch (to maintain high speeds longer) is important , cheers m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

X32Wright
09-12-2008, 09:20 AM
BTW you can use this same tactics on the P-63C which is a BEAST of a plane!

Vinnie_Gumbat
09-12-2008, 12:22 PM
USAAF tactics were to get at least 5,000 feet of altitude.
Chop power, roll left a tad over 90 degrees.
Open that damn door and hit the silk......

Vinnie

PanzerAce
09-12-2008, 01:09 PM
What I generally do is focus on jumping multi engine planes. The nose cannon can be difficult to hit the fast stuff with, but other than the P-38 (and only then if they are smart), basically any twin/four engine plane is going to go down in just a few hits. I once jumped a B-17 that was undamaged, and took it out completely in about 5 seconds.

X32Wright
09-12-2008, 01:18 PM
with practice u can hit fighters very nicely with the P-39/63. I have been known to do this wiht my 500 meters convergeance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif yes people actually are surprised that they got hit from that far and got shot down and died http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Juyst ametter of knowing WHEN to shoot and how high declination to compensate during deflection shooting.

Always damage with the machine guns and KILL with the cannons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif This works even with the 109s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aaron_GT
09-12-2008, 01:18 PM
I do find the car door affair very odd.

PanzerAce
09-12-2008, 01:22 PM
X32, the issue I find with that is that it's rare to find a bogey on their own. Generally they are in groups or chasing someone, so I usually just shoot them up with the MGs to get them off a buddies back, and then MAYBE run them down depending on how badly they are hit (cut cables, damaged engine, holes in wing, etc)

stalkervision
09-12-2008, 01:42 PM
I always loved the p-39. Down low it can't be beat. You just have to handle her with kid loves is all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8341/grab0004ja9.jpg

Marcel_Albert
09-12-2008, 02:12 PM
Once you get used after months of intensive practice , you can hit anything at any angle with nose cannon Panzerace , P-39 is just one of those planes that really needs a lot of training and team tactics to be succesful with .

Usually on Eastern front realistic missions , it's rather useless to fly above 5000 meters for red side , and P-39 is a decent plane at low alt and makes for a good fighter-bomber machine , my fav hobby with it is to hunt tanks by behind and various vessels on Leningrad map

My greatest gripe about it is the simplified damage model of Il-2 , the engine is way too vulnerable at anything that hits the fuselage , engine starts to smoke easily which can be annoying .

I've read about some USAAF pilots hating the first Airacobra I models because of poor high altitude performances and tendency to spin . it's perhaps because P-39 was not as easy to fly as the P-40's , combat took place higher in the Pacific , P-40's had more range , ballistics was easier on P-40's and more importantly , US pilots had the choice to like or not like the a/c and complain about it , whereas in Soviet Union , the choice was not there , their land was invaded ,they just flew what was available to the maximum of its capabilities and whatever the difficulty it took to master it , and it worked quite well there , they ended the war with several aces with it . In an ideal world , a P-39 with WEP + 2 stage supercharger would have been great and probably liked by US pilot perhaps

In game , P-39 is inferior to opposition like 109's and 190's in pure performances (speed , climbrate mainly ) , but the difference is not great at the relevant altitudes , that's a pity we don't have a version with some of the armour taken out and retrieved machine guns like Soviet pilots used to do , it would make it more agile at low speed and with better acceleration to combat speed , anyhow , the difference of performances is nothing like Lagg-3 series4 vs 109F or IJN planes vs US Navy , if you don't make mistakes , fly at the altitude where you got the best speed and spot your ennemy first , P-39 is a decent plane in 42,43 early 44 (Q10) really , the main problem of the P-39's is that it sucks at high speed (awful rollrate and elevator authority ) and especially its climbrate is poor compared to 109 which is really a handicap , that's why you need advanced tactics with pairs at different altitudes separated by about 10km and great complementarity between pairs to make up for these flaws , and you also need to train a lot in frontal attacks (can be useful against plane diving on you , if you pull up at the right moment ) and ballistics in general , with that cannon and .50 cal , you can generally hit farther than your opponents and since your engine is not in front of you , it's less risky in head-ons , although i'd not advise to do frontal passes against 190 .

DKoor
09-12-2008, 02:52 PM
I was amazed at the time when I realized just how good the P-39 is in energy retention, doing just loops... however 109 itself is not bad in this either.

Tooz_69GIAP
09-12-2008, 03:34 PM
If you haven't seen this already, then I highly recommend taking a look at Attack of the Airacobra (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Attack-Airacobras-American-Against-Germany/dp/0700611401/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221255059&sr=1-8). A great read covering the P-39s service on the Russian Front, with particular focus on Pokryshkin's use of the aircraft, and the tactics he employed in the Caucasus and Crimea air battles.