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flyby_99th
02-13-2008, 11:45 AM
Just curious about the British 2nd Tactical AF during WW2. What is a good book to read (that's still available)?
Flyby out

flyby_99th
02-13-2008, 11:45 AM
Just curious about the British 2nd Tactical AF during WW2. What is a good book to read (that's still available)?
Flyby out

stathem
02-13-2008, 12:07 PM
Amazon search (I already knew about the first three so knew where to look)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_?url=search-ali...&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2nd+Tactical&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go)

flyby_99th
02-13-2008, 02:26 PM
S~ stathem,
I should have mentioned that I'd done a search and got several Amazon hits on several editions (but) they were all in the U.K. I'm in the U.S. I'll search a bit more, of course. I think it would be great to have a sim about 2nd TAF. IL2 has just about enough planes where it would be a great lonline campaign, imho. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Flyby out

crucislancer
02-13-2008, 02:57 PM
Those first three books aren't cheap. $35 in the states each for those. I'd love to read up on the 2nd TAF as well. I'd jump up and down with glee if someone made an online or offline campaign about it.

Kurfurst__
02-13-2008, 03:14 PM
I believe the volumes of Christopher Shores are considered the standard work on the 2nd TAF, and Norman Franks on Figher Command..?

Though I`ve seen the Shores book, and I must say I`ve expected a bit more.. its an exhausting (and quite boring..) accounting of the day-by-day claims and losses, but very little other information (OOBs, background information, strenghts etc.) is presented.

WOLFMondo
02-13-2008, 03:36 PM
Thos three are quite good if a little tedious as they cover the entire 2nd TAF and document all victories, losses and other trivia. One thing you'll soon learn from reading them is the Spitfire was more extensivly used as a bomb truck than any other type on the continent!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flyby_99th:
I think it would be great to have a sim about 2nd TAF. IL2 has just about enough planes where it would be a great lonline campaign, imho. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Flyby out </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You already have, its IL2 46http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif All were really missing is the Typhoon, P51A ,late model Mosquitos and the Spifire XIV.

The 2nd TAF was a big airforce with 1700+ planes at its peak so there is allot to choose from, its the RAF's equivilent of the 9th AF. The 44 onwards campaigns that came with IL246 for the RAF (excluding pacific stuff from PF) are all pretty much 2nd TAF . On the map of northern france you can match up all the airfields used by the 2nd TAF too i.e. all of them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Icefire did a couple of campaigns called Storm Clouds where you fly a Tempest on the NW Europe map which is pretty good and the map is 100% accurate for Tempest 2nd TAF operations. I think theres a number of campaigns that came with IL46 and the last few patches that all 2nd TAF.

Basically if its flying RAF on the continent from 44 onwards its going to be a 2nd TAF campaign. Given the constant scenarios on Warclouds server, your always going to be flying 2nd TAF there unless you fly a US type, assuming you pick red that is.

Xiolablu3
02-13-2008, 03:39 PM
Those books look really nice..

The Typhoon is really missed in this sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JSG72
02-13-2008, 04:06 PM
MMmmm.. Think? I have enough of Luftwaffe Publications.(After 40 years http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif)

2nd TAF is now of my interest.

I believe "Classic" publications do a "Cracking" Set.

flyby_99th
02-13-2008, 06:05 PM
Well guys it looks as if I'll have to get that new system built and re-enter Warclouds when I'm not flying with the squadron. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifSo somebody tell me, what came before the 2nd TAF? After reading Donald Caldwell's "JG26" (a great book!)many times over, I really came to appreciate the British efforts at harrassing the St. Omer boys and the Abbeville Kids. That pre-2nd TAF action was was some serious fighting too. Taking the fight to the Luftwaffe in Spit-Vs, and running into the Antons and Freidrichs was hard going. The Uber planes came later for both sides, but 2nd TAF work must have been fascinating in it's own right.
Then there was the American fighter effort with the Thunderbolts and the Lightnings (mainly the Thunderbolts) bringing it to the already harried Luftwaffe. A desperate air war no matter how you cut it. Fascinating.
Flyby out

VW-IceFire
02-13-2008, 08:16 PM
I have all three volumes of Christopher Shores 2nd Tactical Air Force and this really is the book you want if you want to know every little bit of detail about the 2nd TAF.

As to your question about the formation of the 2nd TAF...essentially it was a wielding together of light units from Bomber Command and specific squadrons and wings from Fighter Command. The organization was based on the 1st Tactical Air Force that was involved in the fighting in North Africa and Tunisia. They knew invasion was likely a year away and they needed an organized close support unit.

By the end of the war the 2nd TAF was a spearhead drawing in large numbers of squadrons previously assigned to ADGB (Air Defense Great Britain). Some of the key types were Spitfire IXs, Spitfire XVIs (Packard built Merlin 266s) and Typhoons along with the slightly more exotic Tempests and Spitfire XIVs. Also saw the service of Bostons and Mitchells which were pulled from Bomber Command.

The 2nd TAF was equipped to handle multiple roles including air superiority as not all of their units were strictly engaged in close air support with bombs or rockets. Most of the Tempest and Spitfire XIV groups were employed as tactical fighters usually on free hunts. They would look for enemy aircraft first and if they found nothing would turn their attention to ground targets as well. Almost anything was a target.

WOLFMondo
02-14-2008, 02:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flyby_99th:
Well guys it looks as if I'll have to get that new system built and re-enter Warclouds when I'm not flying with the squadron. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifSo somebody tell me, what came before the 2nd TAF? After reading Donald Caldwell's "JG26" (a great book!)many times over, I really came to appreciate the British efforts at harrassing the St. Omer boys and the Abbeville Kids. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you've not already read Pierre Clostermans 'Big Show' as half the book is fighting JG2 and JG26 and the other half is fighting in the 2nd TAF.

flyby_99th
02-14-2008, 05:44 AM
thanks Icefire and Wolf,
I think I'll look further into 2nd TAF. Perhaps I'll find another action-packed book like Clostermann's, which I've owned for twenty years or more. Nice read by the way. As a side note, it's interesting that pilots of JG26 described the 109k as "swimming" at high altitude, and hard to fly formation with at height. They seemed fine with the G10, and of course the Dora.
Flyby out

JG52Uther
02-14-2008, 08:09 AM
Don't forget this one:
2nd TAF Spitfire:The Story Of Spitfire ML407 by Hugh Smallwood

This is the Grace Spitfire currently based at,and flying out of, Duxford UK

The ISDN is 0 9511390 2 9.

I have checked the Grace Spitfire website and it is still available from them at a very reasonable 12-99 plus P & P. I have attached the web address

http://www.ml407.co.uk/pages/main.html

WOLFMondo
02-14-2008, 08:21 AM
Roland Beaumont also wrote several books. He was one of the pioneers of the Typhoon and Tempest before being shot down.

The 2nd TAF's contribution to the effort is often overlooked compared to other airforces or battles but in reality along with the 9th AF were the leading force in getting into Germany so the more people who read up on them the better!

flyby_99th
02-14-2008, 05:54 PM
thanks for the link, Uther. It won't hurt me to check local book stores either.
Wolf, I rememer reading just a bit about Roland Beaumont. Maybe I can track his book down too.
thanks again guys,
Flyby out