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Chevy350
06-12-2009, 03:31 PM
Ive just started to kinda toy around with the yak family of fighters, never flew them before. Can someone give me a rundown of all the different models from yak 1s to 7 and 3 and 9s i get confused whats what. and maybe some info on how to best fly them, armement that type of stuff? thanks


ALSO is it just me or do russian planes seem like they have alot more torque twisting the plane during flight than others?

Chevy350
06-12-2009, 03:31 PM
Ive just started to kinda toy around with the yak family of fighters, never flew them before. Can someone give me a rundown of all the different models from yak 1s to 7 and 3 and 9s i get confused whats what. and maybe some info on how to best fly them, armement that type of stuff? thanks


ALSO is it just me or do russian planes seem like they have alot more torque twisting the plane during flight than others?

Freiwillige
06-12-2009, 03:41 PM
It is confusing.

Yak-9 most common variants used during the war
Yak-3 Same as Yak-9 but all metal no wood
Yak-1 first version, not allot of power and bad canopy design
Yak 1b New canopy
Yak-7 Total garbage
Yak-9 most common variants used during the war
Yak-3 Same as Yak-9 but all metal no wood
{All above aircraft based on the YAK 1 design.}

Russian planes are torque monsters because they are so small and light.

TinyTim
06-12-2009, 03:41 PM
Yaks are divided into two categories - light and heavy fighters - which were used paralel by eachother in respective time intervals.

Light fighters:

Yak-1 (1941)
Yak-1b (late 1942)
Yak-3 (1944)

Heavy fighters:

Yak-7 (1941)
Yak-9 (late 1942)
Yak-9U (1944)

Don't let numbers confuse you. Yak-3 was one of the best fighters or WW2, and so is in IL-2, despite the small number. Also, Yak-9U is quite different from other Yak-9s, sporting a 1650 HP Klimov VK-107 engine (compared to 1200 HP KV-105PF on other Yak-9s).

Mr_Zooly
06-12-2009, 04:19 PM
Yak 3 was tiny compared to the Yak9 iirc

VW-IceFire
06-12-2009, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freiwillige:
It is confusing.

Yak-9 most common variants used during the war
Yak-3 Same as Yak-9 but all metal no wood
Yak-1 first version, not allot of power and bad canopy design
Yak 1b New canopy
Yak-7 Total garbage
Yak-9 most common variants used during the war
Yak-3 Same as Yak-9 but all metal no wood
{All above aircraft based on the YAK 1 design.}

Russian planes are torque monsters because they are so small and light. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Some errors here.

The Yak-3 is a development from the Yak-1B with substantially revised structure and wings. Its also constructed using the delta wood method and is not all metal.

The Yak-7B 1942 variant is actually only a hair off of the Yak-9 in all performance respects plus it has twin 12.7mm machine guns...so its not really total garbage. Its under appreciated actually.

Also not all aircraft are developed on the Yak-1 design. The Yak-1 design was one direction that Yakolev's team went in. The Yak-7 was developed based on the earlier prototype that spawned both Yak-1 and 7. The Yak-7 was a heavier design originally meant to be a trainer aircraft but was quickly realized to have its own merits and have similar performance to the Yak-1...so it was ordered into production as well.

The Yak-7 was continually revised and became the excellent Yak-9 series. The Yak-1 was also continually revised and culminated in the Yak-3 but these two significantly diverged in a number of ways straight from the original prototype which was neither Yak-1 nor Yak-7.

mandrill7
06-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Yak-1 and Yak-7A are the models used in late '41 and early '42. They are slower than the contemporary 109's (F's), but can outturn them. The 109's have better acceleration, climb and dive and should win most d/f's. The Yak-7B is an upgunned version of the Yak-7A with 12.7 mg's instead of 7.6's.

The Yak-1B is a big improvement and comes about the time of Stalingrad. Comparable speed to 109G-2 and -6. 12.7 mg, instead of twin 7.6's. And bubble canopy. Will still outturn 109, but 109 has better climb and dive. The speed improvement for Yak is the result of the "PF" engine which is only effective to about 4000 meters. Above that, it is crrap. So keep to 3000 meters or lower.

The Yak-7B PF is the Yak-7 equivalent of the Yak-1B. Heavier armament and a little heavier a/c, but much the same performance against 109-G2's and G-6's.

Yak-9 series is a slightly improved version of the Yak-7B PF and was used from '43 on. As mentioned, the exception is the Yak-9U which is really a whole new generation of Yak with a new engine and far better performance. Only used from late '44 onwards.

The Yak-3 is a much improved version of the Yak-1B and was used from early 44 onwards. Similar performance to 109-14, with better turn than 109's and much improved climb. Still wise to keep under 4000 meters.

Ba5tard5word
06-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Good stuff in this thread.

Also the Yak's propeller spins in the opposition direction than almost any other plane (Yak's is counter-clockwise I believe) so its torque makes the plane move in the opposite direction of most other planes.

Yak 7's and Yak 1 are pretty slow compared to their opponents but typical for 1940/41, Yak 1B is pretty good for 1942, Yak 9 is good too, Yak-3 is a real screamer, very fast.

Check out Hardball's Aircraft Viewer or other spec charts to compare their different speeds and armaments to get a feel for their strengths.

TinyTim
06-12-2009, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The Yak-7B 1942 variant is actually only a hair off of the Yak-9 in all performance respects plus it has twin 12.7mm machine guns...so its not really total garbage. Its under appreciated actually.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's sooo true. Many people don't realize that there are two versions of Yak-7B in game (besides a Yak-7A!), 1941 and 1942 one, although they share the designation - and they are miles apart performance wise. I've been accused more than once of cheating after winning a dogfight versus a 109F, as the "Yak-7 surely isn't capable of something like that!" Blue 109F and 190A4 fliers often get really cocky when they meet one and consider it as a meat on a plate.

One 20mm ShVAK complemented with two UBS guns with 400 rounds total ammo, all packed close to centerline makes a tremendous punch.

Its biggest drawback IMO is a very low dive speed. A bit more than 620 or 630kph, and it starts disintegrating.

Freiwillige
06-12-2009, 05:36 PM
@ VW-ICE-fire, Thank you for the corrections as I am no expert on Yaks.

What I do know is that Russian aircraft the first half of the war had a tendency to fall apart hence the slow dive speeds. I have read countless stories of Laggs and Yaks pulling high G's only to lose a wing or some other major section.

Using wood was a blessing and a hindrance to the VVS

na85
06-12-2009, 05:48 PM
The yakovlev series are definitely my favorite aircraft in game and combat in them can be extremely rewarding. Flying the Yak successfully requires some patience while you learn though. Don't get discouraged.

The guns can be hard to hit with, especially if you're used to the german weapons which have a much lower muzzle velocity.

The key is practice practice practice your gunnery until you get confident taking snapshots.

Very very short bursts, like a quarter of a second. Don't spray and pray, you have a very small ammo load. Fortunately the weaponry is very potent.

In terms of tactics, you need to keep the yaks in a narrow range of speeds. Get outside of that range on either side and your performance will quickly suffer. I try to stay between 350 and 550 kph, only exceeding 550 if I'm diving on an extending bandit or trying to run away.

Basically just use any move you can to get in real close.

Against 109s I was surprised to find out that a rolling scissors works quite well to force an overshoot. Use your speed and keep the fight fast. The 109 has the advantage at stall speeds but the yak enjoys a turn rate advantage above 330-350 kph.

Against 190s you can out-climb, out-accelerate, out-turn them, and your roll rate is almost as good, depending on the model you're flying. The yak3 and yak9 series eat FW190s for breakfast if you fly to your strengths, especially with a wingman.

In all yaks you need to keep the fight low in the thicker air (4500m or less. In the yak9U you can go higher, maybe up to 6500? not sure)

In all yaks you MUST keep the ball centered. The triangular wings have a tendency to cause you to depart when pulling G's, so you need to always be aware and precise in your rudder inputs. Rudder pedals really give you an edge here over a twisty stick.

That's all the general advice I can think of but if you have any specific advice please ask, there are lots of knowledgeable folks on the forums.

na85
06-12-2009, 06:50 PM
Some relevant threads, usefullness may vary.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...3110283/m/7501046356 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7501046356)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...3110283/m/3071044495 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3071044495)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...3110283/m/4301046655 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4301046655)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...3110283/m/8511005007 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8511005007)

mandrill7
06-12-2009, 09:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TinyTim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The Yak-7B 1942 variant is actually only a hair off of the Yak-9 in all performance respects plus it has twin 12.7mm machine guns...so its not really total garbage. Its under appreciated actually.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's sooo true. Many people don't realize that there are two versions of Yak-7B in game (besides a Yak-7A!), 1941 and 1942 one, although they share the designation - and they are miles apart performance wise. I've been accused more than once of cheating after winning a dogfight versus a 109F, as the "Yak-7 surely isn't capable of something like that!" Blue 109F and 190A4 fliers often get really cocky when they meet one and consider it as a meat on a plate.

One 20mm ShVAK complemented with two UBS guns with 400 rounds total ammo, all packed close to centerline makes a tremendous punch.

Its biggest drawback IMO is a very low dive speed. A bit more than 620 or 630kph, and it starts disintegrating. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In offline, Yak-7B AI tend to get eaten by 109G AI with depressing regularity. I started a campaign for
"Operatsia Mars" (the grinding fighting around the Rzhev Salient in winter 43) using the default Yak-7BPF and liked flying it, apart from the tendency to nose over in landing. And yes Komrade, I LOVED the 12 on 12's using my twin 12.7 UBS's against G-2's with 7.92's. But my wingmen got wiped out almost all the time. The 109 AI climbed as soon as they spotted us and took the fight vertical while the Russian AI sort of floundered uselessly and got picked off.

Aviaskins has a nice mod of a Yak7B bubbletop for mid to late '43 which doesn't need a button, as it uses the default FM.

VW-IceFire
06-13-2009, 01:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freiwillige:
@ VW-ICE-fire, Thank you for the corrections as I am no expert on Yaks.

What I do know is that Russian aircraft the first half of the war had a tendency to fall apart hence the slow dive speeds. I have read countless stories of Laggs and Yaks pulling high G's only to lose a wing or some other major section.

Using wood was a blessing and a hindrance to the VVS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wings were peeling off even up through 1943. From what I've read the problem was that some factories used whatever paints were available and some of the mixes would cause the glue to separate....and then that would make the wing weaker and a few turns and off came the wing. Definitely a combined problem. Once standards came up using the wood was a pretty good thing as it provided decent structural strength (although it was very heavy compared to what the Germans could do in terms of strength for much lighter weights).

Ba5tard5word
06-13-2009, 02:10 AM
In the game once I had a 1943 LaGG-3's wings break off at something like 580kph in a shallow dive.

Erkki_M
06-13-2009, 03:05 AM
"Jaks" are my favourites to fly. Heres a short comparison of them against typical opponents:

Jak-1: comparable with 109E; inferior above medium alts and slightly slower at lower alts as well. Get him low & slow and you've had him. Against 109F, being beaten in every way, you have to be a better pilot.

Jak-7A = Jak-1. Jak-7B = Jak-1 with better guns. Jak-7BPF = Jak-1 but faster(almost as fast as 109F4 at lower altitudes).

Jak-1B: excellent low-alt plane. Faster than 109F below 2500m and as fast as G2 below 1000m. Bubble canopy and improved armament(1 shvak + 1 ubs) over Jak-1. Also turns better, retaining the same meneuverability. You can dogfight 109s, yet going slow is not recommended(making the G2 a real problem).

Jak-9: very light, very well turning(can almost match G2 at low speeds), very responsive, with 1B's armament and cockpit visibility. Improved performance at high alts; faster than 1B above 2000m. Performance starts falling at 5500m instead of 1B's 3500m... Against FWs use your energy retention, turn and climb; against 109s use high-speed turning and scissors.

Jak-9D: an escort version of the 9. Improved aerodynamics and a larger fuel tank; maneuverability about on par with the 1B.

Jak-9T: a heavy Jak-9 with the massive 37mm cannon. 9D's stability and maneuverability.

Jak-9M: comparable to 9: different engine, slightly worse in maneuverability but considerably faster. Option to use either 20mm or 37mm cannon. Not as good a dogfighter as the 9, but faster.

Jak-9U: all-metal Jak-9 with improved engine. Very fast, fairly good high-alt performance as well. A ubs mg added to the armament. Catches most 109s in speed at low to medium alts. Greatly improved max diving speed.

Jak-3: low alt killing machine says it all. Yet, avoid fighting 109s at low speeds...

Kocur_
06-13-2009, 05:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erkki_M:
Jak-9U: all-metal Jak-9 with improved engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that is Oleg's fantasy. The very first all-metal Yak-9 was the post-war P version.

Kocur_
06-14-2009, 04:09 AM
Oh, I was reminded today: at least Yak-3 uses gas that doesn't burn. Mg hits will sooner cut the wing off, than light leaking gas.

VW-IceFire
06-14-2009, 08:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
Oh, I was reminded today: at least Yak-3 uses gas that doesn't burn. Mg hits will sooner cut the wing off, than light leaking gas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Old damage model unfortunately. It is possible but extremely rare.

I can't wait to return to the Eastern Front in Storm of War with everything properly updated.

crucislancer
06-14-2009, 09:05 AM
It's nice to see all this interest in the Yak lately. I think there are three recent threads about it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DKoor
06-14-2009, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
Oh, I was reminded today: at least Yak-3 uses gas that doesn't burn. Mg hits will sooner cut the wing off, than light leaking gas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Old damage model unfortunately. It is possible but extremely rare.

I can't wait to return to the Eastern Front in Storm of War with everything properly updated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1

mandrill7
06-14-2009, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
Oh, I was reminded today: at least Yak-3 uses gas that doesn't burn. Mg hits will sooner cut the wing off, than light leaking gas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Old damage model unfortunately. It is possible but extremely rare. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LAGG-3 is also unusually invulnerable. Wonder if these could be modded and updated a little.

DrHerb
06-14-2009, 05:04 PM
Heres a Yak for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/VMF-214_Prop/Picture006.jpg

VW-IceFire
06-14-2009, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mandrill7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
Oh, I was reminded today: at least Yak-3 uses gas that doesn't burn. Mg hits will sooner cut the wing off, than light leaking gas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Old damage model unfortunately. It is possible but extremely rare. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LAGG-3 is also unusually invulnerable. Wonder if these could be modded and updated a little. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It burns more than the Yak now...I forget which patch changed the LaGG-3 DM but it went from the pure flying concrete DM to something that would loose parts and light on fire more often.