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jayhall0315
08-30-2008, 05:12 AM
Hey guys, I dont own a Track IR yet but am considering buying one to experiment with. I spend about 50% of my time in the more serious servers in Hyperlobby (full real or closed cockpit) and about 50% of my time in the open cockpit fun servers (cause you get to the action faster). How does the Track IR work with open cockpits. If you turn off the cockpit (and there are no windshield struts for centering orientation), how do you know where to turn your head to look back towards the straight ahead position ?

Just curious.

Jay

jayhall0315
08-30-2008, 05:12 AM
Hey guys, I dont own a Track IR yet but am considering buying one to experiment with. I spend about 50% of my time in the more serious servers in Hyperlobby (full real or closed cockpit) and about 50% of my time in the open cockpit fun servers (cause you get to the action faster). How does the Track IR work with open cockpits. If you turn off the cockpit (and there are no windshield struts for centering orientation), how do you know where to turn your head to look back towards the straight ahead position ?

Just curious.

Jay

joeap
08-30-2008, 05:47 AM
Set a key to snap forward view I think.

arthursmedley
08-30-2008, 06:47 AM
Get Track Ir Jay, you'll love it. It takes this sim to another level and with mods on you get 6DoF-fantastic.

You'll also find that you spend a lot less time on open pit servers as you'll want to enjoy your new toy so much.

You see, trackir dosn't work that well in open cockpit. As you've worked out, without a cockpit for reference it becomes disorientating. Stick with the hat switch and those big blue and red arrows in open pit servers.

Dgirth
08-30-2008, 07:59 AM
Hi jay.

I only just got TrackIR 2 days ago and has every one has said it is. ITS BLOODY FANTASTIC!. Took me a few hours to mess about with and set up. the hardest part was making a profile for IL-2 im not very technical type of guy when it comes to setting up things like TrackIR so i downloaded some IL-2 profiles from here http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/04-community/community-profiles.html

The two that i have used work just damn dandy! and i have had no issues with open cockpits. I do tend to fly closed only though.

Pablo_uk
08-31-2008, 06:32 AM
Finally given into temptation eh Jay? lol I seem to recall you saying TIR was a cheat lol welcome to the club, its the best upgrade you can buy.

S!

AFJ_rsm
08-31-2008, 09:24 AM
In no cockpit mode, you have the virtual aircraft/plane diagram for reference at the bottom of the screen



or just do what i do when i fly pit off. use your neck as reference. Center the TIR when you launch the game to what you consider your normal looking forward stance, after a bit it becomes so second nature that you won't have to think a lot if you're looking forward or not, your neck will tell you.

jayhall0315
08-31-2008, 09:33 AM
Hey Pablo,
I am getting weak man, what can I say. As you know I usually hate all this mod and Track IR crap, cause the new guys and casual simmers cant compete against that, and easily get blow away when they do run across folks with all the toys. I remember the very first combat encounter with a guy who had the Track IR and he told me that he could look around 180 degrees in the cockpit and see me even if I was on his six. Needless to say, I did not last long. ... and, well, I love technology gizmos, and want to play more on full real servers, so I figure with all these veterans raving over the Track IR, maybe I should try it out.

....oh, and you should have Bengal download the latest version of the list. If he liked it before, he is going to love it now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

See you in the skies Pablo,
Jay

jayhall0315
08-31-2008, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:
In no cockpit mode, you have the virtual aircraft/plane diagram for reference at the bottom of the screen



or just do what i do when i fly pit off. use your neck as reference. Center the TIR when you launch the game to what you consider your normal looking forward stance, after a bit it becomes so second nature that you won't have to think a lot if you're looking forward or not, your neck will tell you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks RSM - That is what I would have guessed I needed to do. By the way, I dont know if the guys in your squad are nice or not, but they sure can fight well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jay

stalkervision
08-31-2008, 10:04 AM
ahhh your all a bunch of cheaters you and your huge moniters and track r. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

They should put you all in track R only servers amd have your planes porked right out at the same time. That would fix you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

jayhall0315
08-31-2008, 10:22 AM
I like guys with a sense of humor !

Seriously though, just like when you log onto a Hyperlobby server and can view the difficulty settings, I would favor a setting in IL2 that allows or dis-allows users with the Track IR when they join a server. That way, when you log onto a particular server that for example dis-allows the Track IR, you can be sure everyone is on the same playing field.

I dont have the Track yet, but everyone I talk to says it is either amazing or an 'unfair upgrade' that puts those without it in jeopardy of being shot down. ... it will be interesting to see how it works.

Jay

stalkervision
08-31-2008, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jayhall0315:
I like guys with a sense of humor !

Seriously though, just like when you log onto a Hyperlobby server and can view the difficulty settings, I would favor a setting in IL2 that allows or dis-allows users with the Track IR when they join a server. That way, when you log onto a particular server that for example dis-allows the Track IR, you can be sure everyone is on the same playing field.

I dont have the Track yet, but everyone I talk to says it is either amazing or an 'unfair upgrade' that puts those without it in jeopardy of being shot down. ... it will be interesting to see how it works.

Jay </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a nice idea wouldn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

dam-n cheaters.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

all *****in about the mods and the fw-190 bar removal being a cheat and they have the cheatenness device ever made for on-line play strapped to their heads.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

WTE_Galway
08-31-2008, 11:22 PM
A lot of people give up wonder woman servers once they have trackIR.

Of course its the biggest cheat to hit online combat sims since the joystick.

Naturally back when I used to fly online I would turn the trackIR off and unplug the joystick and fly with the keyboard just so I did not get an unfair advantage.

jayhall0315
09-01-2008, 02:20 AM
LOL Galway, - ....all I am saying is that some guys dont have the moolah to afford all the toys although their skill set is equal. I always dislike seeing guys go down when they have adequate combat skills but no Track IR or knowledge of mods. Almost everyone can buy a lower end Logitech stick on Ebay for $30, but the Track IR is breaking the barrier on what some can spend.

....that does not mean that I did not like your answer though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jay

gdfo
09-01-2008, 04:31 AM
trk IR is a cheat and a creation of evil from the spawns of hell. It is the major cause of the hurricanes in the gulf coast of the USA.

It also is the reason that people from foriegn countries cannot understand each others languages.

Bearcat99
09-01-2008, 07:51 AM
IMO TIR & rudder pedals are a must... (I know you can fly without both... but they both add so much to the flight sim experience).

x6BL_Brando
09-01-2008, 08:17 AM
You don't have to have mods to enjoy TrackIR - and the possibility of using a 180 degree look-back was eliminated by Oleg, many patches ago.

Sure, you can have servers that ban TrackIR - I'm sure someone at the Allaircraftarcade could bend yet another piece of code for that - and sit in there and simmer in your own jealousy. Those of us sensible enough to save up to afford TrackIR won't want to be there anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

B

Sirrith
09-01-2008, 08:23 AM
Having anything more than the bare minimum required to play IL2 is a cheat. Thats right, all of you with anything better than a pentium 3 or AMD athlon 1ghz are cheaters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

*please ignore my sig*

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-01-2008, 02:41 PM
In my experience trackIR in open pit is very disorienting until you are thoroughly used to the profile you have set up. Once the trackir is second nature then open pit is no problem, it just takes some time is all.

AFJ_rsm
09-01-2008, 03:09 PM
TrackIR does NOT give any type of advantage. It's just more for immersion.


The same stuff you can accomplish with a TrackIR, you can accomplish without one by using newview or fbviewplus and the hatswitch on your joystick.

EDIT: That, of course, only applies to games such as this one where there isn't 6DoF. On those games then of course TrackIr lets you do stuff you wouldn't normally be able to with other means of view control

WOLFPLAYER2007
09-07-2008, 03:28 PM
I use the mouse to look and i use the mouse like a Hotas, i set trottle to the mouse wheel and any other funcions to the buttons, there is one button by the way that the game doesnt recognize...i think that mouse works well because you can look faster and move the "head" a bit faster too, i use the virtual airplane diagram to reference, but im so hooked in this that i use my peripherical vision to see it, "i look without look" and it works great, especially in turn and burn servers which i play only when im bored.

Like the guy said above, Trackir is just for immersion, at least for me.

joejoemonkey
09-07-2008, 03:54 PM
the first time you plug it in and try to fly with it, your going to notice just how much your head moves around without you being aware of it. as you are now, w/o tir you'll turn your whole head to look at the pretty clouds, other planes, buildings as you pass by, when you have tir your going to start to keep your head still and look with just your eyes. to me that was the biggest challenge to overcome. but it only took a day or two. as far as cheating, it doesn't really let you do anything that you cant already do. either with a hat switch or as wolfplayer says, using your mouse in mouselook mode.

if you have ever seen the movie "tin cup" with kevin costner, (the golf movie) tir and rudder pedals equate to the scene where rene russo's character goes for her first swinging lesson and shows up with all these gadgets on, a pendulum attached to a hat, some framework to limit her swing and arch her knees, its really a funny scene. now with all those things she cant swing for crap. but kevin's character walks up with only his golf club and hits the ball really far. that illustrates that no matter what advantages you think you might have that are granted artificially, someone who has skill naturally is going to overcome. and the artificial would be more of a hindrance to the talentless.