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Athosd
11-10-2004, 05:44 AM
The Beaufighter isn't terribly easy to spin - however once you are into that situation there appears to be no escape.
I've spun the Beau down from 5000m a few times now (for testing purposes) and nothing avails the least in getting the nose down.
Initially I tried simply opposite rudder and idle throttle (neutral stick), then tried adding down elevator, then lowered full flap and dropped the gear, even turned off the spinward engine and ran full power to the counter spin engine. No result at all. I recall seeing somewhere that the Beau might hav been fitted with a stall chute to help in this situation, I'd be very interested to see more info on that (if true).

Also noticed that the unrecoverable spin seems to be back for the Ta152-H1. In 2.04 it was possible to escape the death spiral by quickly alternately the throttle between full and idle (in addition to the normal spin recovery routine). Not sure if its any easier to enter the spin - as I was deliberating stalling out to check the recovery.

Any proven tricks for saving either of these types in v3.00?

Salute

Athos

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-10-2004, 05:52 AM
EEK! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

My advice then would be to NOT get these crates into a spin. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Bearcat99
11-10-2004, 06:50 AM
The P-39 is the best I have seen. I like it better than the IL2 P-39... it isnt quite as tough.. but the stalls are definitely back and you have to watch your step. It doesnt climb like it used to in FB 2.XX either. I think its great.

Athosd
11-10-2004, 07:23 AM
Just had a poke around with the Ta152 in several dogfights - though I was right on the stall buffet a number of times I only stalled out once (was throwing it around a bit harder then usual to see what would happen). The spin was nasty but I managed to get out of it (wasn't a flat spin) - took about 1000m.

I've never giving the P39 much time in this sim - though I've dreaded seeing the things online. Must have a look.

Cheers

Athos

Wakner
11-10-2004, 08:25 AM
Yes - I have put both Beaufighter and Seafire into unrecoverable flat spins : ralistic or not? No idea!

DuxCorvan
11-10-2004, 10:39 AM
The I-16 in FB is also a unforgiving plane to have spins in... and it was eeeeasy to spin. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

BTW, Athosd, sorry for the triffle in that other thread. You know I have nothing against any person or country. It's only that guy recreating the whole Light Brigade Charge over me what has made me look a bit antipathetic...

Sorry! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Now, back to topic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Daiichidoku
11-10-2004, 12:34 PM
I find I usually spin at the top of loops of hammerheads, when i have no airspeed...at that point, if you use rudder or ailerons you will spin...

if you leave the controls, it is usually pretty forgiving and will end up taking a nose down attitude, then just wait for a bit of airspeed then youre on your way

I cant rememeber exactly what was going on at the time, but i have recovered from a spin in the Beau only once...I only held stick down funny, and she recovered

any other time I have entered a spin in the Beau, nothing works...including simply pushing forward on the stick

Now i simply aviosd spins by never using roll or yaw at low speed

Cmte. Carvalho
11-10-2004, 01:44 PM
When you enter in a unrecoverable spin, just try to turn on your autopilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
It works to me...

Bearcat99
11-10-2004, 02:24 PM
LMAO!!!! I can see it now.... "Oleg you have to do something about the autopilot spin recovery cheat!!!".....LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Shadow1706
11-10-2004, 03:08 PM
Spins are fun. Got myself into a nasty spin in 190-d9 couple of weeks ago. I was trying to avoid a mustang when I pulled the stick a little too tight. The spin started at about 5000 meters. I tried the standard recovery technique: throttle idle, push nose down, apply anti-spin rudder. Nothing seemed to work. At 2000m I desperately pushed the stick spinwards, crossing the controls. To my surprise the plane stopped spinning at 1000m and I managed to level off at 100 meters. A bit too close for my taste.

TX-EcoDragon
11-10-2004, 04:01 PM
many of the aircraft switch between expected spin recoveries, and a strange spiral that is not a true spiral in that the aircraft surfaces clearly are not "flying." This visual representation of a spiral while the physics are that of a spin is pretty goofy, and it seems that all planes that exhibit this behaviour are the same ones that fail to recover from spins (normally) even though the aircraft's attitude is that of one that should be flying. It almost seems like the spirals are scripted, as they more or less ignore pilot inputs and physics at that point. I call it it a bug as I hope to see it fixed in subsequent patches. Some aircraft laodings will lead to unrecoverable spins, but not in the manner in which they happen in the sim, and not under normal loadings.