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Vassilon
03-18-2004, 08:19 PM
Hi, i´m newbie and i don´t know what is the best way to shoot down an enemy plane. at the moment i can´t do it, far target, close distance, etc i can´t. please teach me some way to do it.

Vassilon
03-18-2004, 08:19 PM
Hi, i´m newbie and i don´t know what is the best way to shoot down an enemy plane. at the moment i can´t do it, far target, close distance, etc i can´t. please teach me some way to do it.

Menthol_moose
03-18-2004, 08:24 PM
Everyone here would tell you there were terrible at first, its damm hard to shoot down something as a noob, especially online

In the FB manual.. it says create a mission with large aircraft as target drones and get to work on them and its a pretty good idea.

Then gradually decrease the size and work to smaller and faster planes. It takes a while to learn deflection shooting.

Just practise and then more practise, spend time doing quick missions and then gradually making the options harder. You'll get there !

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PBNA-Boosher
03-18-2004, 08:24 PM
use time compression to your advantage, and fly against the big bombers first, like a friendly Pe8. Once you're able to accurately hit that, move on to smaller targets. When you feel confident with your accuracy, then try it agianst enemy bombers shooting back at you, and gradually move down to fighters...

Udidtoo
03-18-2004, 08:31 PM
Start out with something that gives a nice steady ride like the Hurri.

Go into the Qmb and set yourself as lone plane in No. 1 flight.

Set up 1 or more big slow bombers in the next friendly flight slots. doesn't matter which ones as they will not return fire, just say mean things about you and your family,lol

Some will say set unlimeted ammo but I think this gives you to much incentive to develope bad habits such as spray and pray.

Practice coming in from all different angles and speeds.

Save your traks and review them in slow mo. Also from the targets view. In short order you should begin to develope an idea of where your bullets are going.

Practice practice practice........good hunting

P.S. make sure your convergence distance is set to somrthing like 250 or 275 anything more and the 303's are like bb's

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TgD Thunderbolt56
03-18-2004, 08:41 PM
Hit them repeatedly with your bullets?



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UncleVanya2001
03-18-2004, 08:43 PM
I was just about to say: Hit him repeatedly with bullets? But thunderbolt beat me to it!

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VW-IceFire
03-18-2004, 08:46 PM
Use the QMB (quick mission) and try a few planes (I suggest you practice in a Bf 109 or a La-5 to start). Don't give yourself wingmen yet. Now setup a bunch of C-47's or Ju-55's and practice targeting against them. The C-47's have no armament and the Ju-55's have only a small number of turrets to defend with. This is where you should learn how to use the reticle for aiming, learn the proper distances to open fire at and consistently score hits, and watch how cannons and machine guns will drop after a few hundred meters (they don't travel in a straight line forever).

Then move onto rookie fighters and work your way up. Average WWII fighter pilots generally scored 5% hit accuracy...so don't be ashamed to miss alot.

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
03-18-2004, 08:47 PM
Practice, practice, practice. I am new to online as well, I started about a week and a half ago and already I am starting to see imporvment on my part. I still have trouble shaking a bandit but with due time I will get better. I couldn't hit any aircraft if he let me, but after enough practice I am getting better and better. So keep on it and don't give up. ~S~

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TgD Thunderbolt56
03-18-2004, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UncleVanya2001:
I was just about to say: Hit him repeatedly with bullets? But thunderbolt beat me to it!

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HangerQueen
03-18-2004, 08:59 PM
Set your convergance to 150-200m for attacking fighters, further out for bombers. You'll have to experiment to see what works best for you. Oh, don't forget gunsight toggle (shift+F1?).

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TFS_tomahawk
03-18-2004, 09:22 PM
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ucanfly
03-18-2004, 10:28 PM
Don't spray the guns around like a waterhose (like I do)! Get a "stable" and preferably constant tracking solution and give concentrated fire. Adjust visually with tracers and try not to over correct in pitch. Good joystick and/or playing around with joystick profile in game helps with overcorrecting.

Zeus-cat
03-18-2004, 10:31 PM
I was horrible at gunnery when I first started. I mean really, really bad. Now I am a pretty good shot. I still have trouble with certain high angle shots.

The only advice I can give is practice, practice, practice.

Maj_Death
03-18-2004, 10:43 PM
Gunnery is something that is very difficult and believe it or not but 5% accuracy is average for a veteran player. Only the "snipers" get more than 15%.

All the advice I can give is practice, practice, practice. Practice on big targets first that don't shoot back such as friendly bombers. Once you get that down move to enemy bombers. Gradually work down to smaller and smaller bombers and eventually switch to fighters. Also, it helps if you stick to one type of plane at first. Learning to shoot is hard enough, learning to shoot 50 different types of guns on 100 different types of planes makes things a whole lot tougher than they need to be initially.

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Piaggio108
03-19-2004, 07:37 AM
Once you start on fighters, fly against rookys in inferior planes (Yak-3 vs. bf.109E-4), and learn to hit them from directly behind at 150m. then work on deflection shooting against them in equal aircraft.

Piaggio108
03-19-2004, 07:38 AM
Once you start on fighters, fly against rookys in inferior planes (Yak-3 vs. bf.109E-4), and learn to hit them from directly behind at 150m. then work on deflection shooting against them in equal aircraft. that will teach you when to fire.

maxim26
03-19-2004, 07:56 AM
Averybody here said the right things. I just want to add. Practice only with realistic gunnery and cockpit on.

I did this mistake with original IL2. Remember me shooting down the plains from distance like 1-2 km. lol. And i remember my disapointment when i switched realistic gunnery on... The same story about no cockpit view.

MO_JOJO
03-19-2004, 09:17 AM
Deflection Gunnery? Is there any info on this?

Newby here, and I am getting a lot better against the bombers in QMB, but can never shake the AI fighters. I end up in a flat spin or in flames. Is it possible to out-maneuver an AI fighter, usually some kind of BF109, and what basic moves to practice?

Vassilon...I find the HE-111 (all versions) the easiest bomber to kill, even in the IL-2 at &gt;500M. Avoid the Russian ones as opponents for a little while, I find that they bite back real hard. Conserve your cannon until you get close, and be patient for a good shot. I give them some small arms fire to keep their heads down, but I save the cannon for the kill. Once you see that sucker explode, yer hooked.

blakesleewaffe
03-19-2004, 09:33 AM
To Vassilon:
The way I figured out deflection shooting was to get about 250 - 500 M away from the target, and fire some 1 second bursts. At that point press P on your keyboard to pause the game. Press F1 to get your outside view. Once you have paused the game, use your mouse to scan in and out and to rotate your view. Look close up to your target and see where your tracer bullets are going. At first, you will probably see that your shots are falling behind the target. So next step is to resume the chase and try firing a bit more ahead of the target. Then pause and repeat the process until you gain hits. Also, try not to shake your joystick while firing as you need to concentrate your point of aim.
Good luck!
Blakesleewaffe

BM357_Raven
03-19-2004, 11:04 AM
During WWII, it was realized that shots were more likely and devistating at ranges between 250 and 300 meters. I recommend starting with friendly docile planes that wont run. Set your convergence to 250 and just work on destroying the friendlies.

Once you feel thoroughly depressed about shooting your friendlies, put some slower enemy rookie planes in there and work on them. Start with the slower, bigger, more docile planes w/o rear gunners and then work you way up to small, nimble ace bandits..

At 250-300 meters, you should be right behind them. You can even work your way closer. Although being directly on their 6 offers the smallest profile of an enemy plane, it also offers the most direct shot.

Use unlimited ammo and fuel and even record your tracks to watch later. I agree the Hurc is a good starter. I recommend the C, cause the tracers are very obvious, but pick your own poison.

Just try not to be giving any-extra input to the stick while you are lined up. Squeeze, don't jerk or pull..

Deflection:

If the bandit turns right you must aim ahead to the right. If he goes down, you generally are lowering your aim (and depending on range) you are firing below him. If he goes up, you will fire above him so he effectively "meets" your rounds and collides with them at a point in the 'future'... If that makes any sense..

If he moves up and to the left, aim ahead of him to the left and up. The general rule of thumb is that the angle is usually more than what you think.

Turn off any settings that are getting in your way, like clouds, etc.. Just keep it simple, so you can acheive your goal of improving your gunnery..

I agree with maxim26 on realistic gunnery. In terms of cockpit on, that depends if you will eventually end up flying with the pit on. If you do, then I agree with him that you should probably start with the pit on... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, blake has a good recommendation about hitting pause...

Last, dont expect immediate results. Sometimes it's one step forward, two steps back, two steps forward one step back. If you are determined to get better and have the time and patience to suffer through it you will prevail. Otherwise, you will just be frustrated and allergic to online fighting, especially..


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TheCrux
03-19-2004, 11:34 AM
Good idea about the pause thing...never thought of that.

Another suggestion: In my theory of "train hard - fight easy" learning curve is to learn gunnery ( especially against fighters ) by fighting with lightly armed nose-concentrated guns A/C like the 109 F2 and MiG-3. You'll feel like you're shooting blanks at first but then gradually start getting better. You'll get to the point of getting good solid hits even in deflection shooting, even if you don't tear the target apart with a 2 second burst. Fly theat way for a few weeks every day.

After you feel good about your gunnery, switch to more heavily armed A/C, whether cannon-equipped versions of the above listed A/C or others, and you'll be tearing up A/C on the 1st burst so good you'll feel like some smug hotshot...especially if you try heavily armed wing-gunned planes with their bigger dispersal. It really works, and the challenge is fun ( if not a bit frustrating ) along the way.

BpGemini
03-19-2004, 11:38 AM
I disagree with the start easy advice.

Grab a plane you like, one you might choose for your main ride.
Use Limited Ammo.
Practice with Full Real Difficulty.
Try to shoot small fast targets.

Practicing in harder conditions makes easier conditions that much more doable.

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03-19-2004, 01:47 PM
As someone who has had the game for only 10 days, allow me to add a few tips, and repeat some that others ahve given already.

First, choose a plane that you find to be comfortable to fly. Try several planes, and then choose one. For initial target practice, use friendly Me-323. Do not put them on hostile just yet, as they can be pretty dangerous. This plane is so big that it's really hard to miss (but it's also hard to bring down). Practicing while flying lightly armed planes is good for accuracy, but if you feel too frustrated by not bringing anything down, switch to something like P-38L from time to time to enjoy the explosions.

As far as situational awareness is concerned, use external views to see what's happening around you. I find it to be the best way to go about it, but first try to guess where the enemy is from your cockpit, and then pause and use f2 to see whether you were correct. You will be able to see that your judgement improves over time, and you'll find yourself less and less reliant on this crutch. Pause is also a useful crutch in general to bring your act together when things get hectic.

Reducing game speed for targeting is useful to a degree, but I find it to be a double-edged sword. Yes, things are happening much more slowly so you have more time to aim, but with reduced speed the maneuvers become more erratic in fact, as it's hard to judge how much you're pulling on the stick. Since I practiced flying on normal speed, this creates as many problems as it solves, because the plane behaves differently and I'm less efficient in flying it, and stall more often from inappropriate handling. In combat, things still happen way too quickly on normal for me to be able to react or let alone target, but I think I'm going nowhere with flying on one speed and firing on the other, so I'm practicing how to do it at normal speed now. Likewise with the close-up (narrow) gunsight view. It's easier to see the target and to aim, but I tend to lose all sight of my plane's postion in space, and end up stalling because I don't know where I am or how I'm flying without seeing some reference points or instruments.

Another good thing is to adjust you joystick settings to something less erratic than the default settings. There was a good thread very recently on this forum on joystick settings which you might find useful.

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flyingskid2
03-19-2004, 01:53 PM
easy.

fly at least 2 hour 5 nights a week.
do this for 6 months.

you will then be an excellent shooter.

gates123
03-19-2004, 03:58 PM
Learn to use prop pitch to its full potential, then go online and shoot ppl down who fly Ki's and La-7's and watch them start 5 Page threads about certain planes being overmodeled.

icrash
03-19-2004, 08:38 PM
Unlimited ammo good & bad. I got into the bad habit of spray & pray. I'm currently working on getting rid of this & learning to fly with cockpit on. (I ran out of ammo trying to break s&p and had to leave the fight early on several occasions.) The bright side is ua lets you work on gunnery longer. As for getting somebody off your 6, lot harder. Learn your fighter's strenths & use 'em. Try & get idea of other plane's weaknesses & exploit them. You are never going to ditch everyone all the time and never fall into a pattern (well against human opponent anyway).