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Airmail109
07-04-2007, 12:27 PM
"I have had several members make statements to me saying that this forum has gone to the gutters with all the ridiculous threads that are being started that has nothing to do with IL-2 or aviation of any kind and nothing is being done about them. I would have to agree. It's time to clean it up imo." - Quazi

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2007, 12:31 PM
You really need to just play the game and stop taking things on a message board so personally

Airmail109
07-04-2007, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You really need to just play the game and stop taking things on a message board so personally

Nahhh I'm not, I just thought it would be nice to see how people think the board should be ran!

MEGILE
07-04-2007, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You really need to just play the game and stop taking things on a message board so personally

Coming from you Chuck, that is amusingly ironic.

Besides, Aimail is just asking for clarification on what can be posted.

I chose option 1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2007, 12:37 PM
No democracy here


http://www.ubi.com/US/Info/Info.aspx?tagname=TermsOfUse

Jaws2002
07-04-2007, 12:40 PM
I enjoy reading OT threads as long as theyre not racist, religious, or political. This forums painfully boring without them, the people who coplained are huge bores!

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Airmail109
07-04-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
No democracy here


http://www.ubi.com/US/Info/Info.aspx?tagname=TermsOfUse

Well if the Mods go against what the majority enjoy, they're only doing UBI and the community a disservice.

If thats the case, I'd suggest those people to organise a big move to another forum. Leave the boring people here.

DmdSeeker
07-04-2007, 12:43 PM
How about giving Quazi's response as an option? i.e. stop being such an attention *****.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You really need to just play the game and stop taking things on a message board so personally

Coming from you Chuck, that is amusingly ironic.

Besides, Aimail is just asking for clarification on what can be posted.

I chose option 1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

??

Words on a PC screen do not hurt me. Perhaps others, maybe even you. I do not know (or really care). But I don't get all huffy about things here.

You may be confusing my ability to put people down so badly that THEY get bent out of shape with me personally getting upset, or the fact that I will take the time to tell people why they are wrong, point by point, as me getting mad

That is the common innerweb wisdom:

"ZOMG!!! HE posted two paragraffs! He musted got mad!!!!11!!!lolone one"

Some people may even take this "long winded" reply of mine that way. Those people are the kidz and I really couldn't care less what those dolts think. In fact, since you and I have been here long enough to know who is a flippin idiot and who is not, you can probably relate to the fact that when certain people tell me I'm upset, I can smile to myself and know that I hit the bullseye with them. You're a bit of a button-pusher yourself Megile. Nobody's told you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But you, you're not stupid, either. And you know exactly what's going on here, and what I'm talking about. You just like to stir up trouble, and you're taking the opportunity now. You know how many threads Aimail has started about this just in the last hour, so don't play devil's advocate, at least not with me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
No democracy here


http://www.ubi.com/US/Info/Info.aspx?tagname=TermsOfUse

Well if the Mods go against what the majority enjoy, they're only doing UBI and the community a disservice.

If thats the case, I'd suggest those people to organise a big move to another forum. Leave the boring people here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

'bye

Airmail109
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
How about giving Quazi's response as an option? i.e. stop being such an attention *****.

Sue but it would reset the poll

MEGILE
07-04-2007, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
How about giving Quazi's response as an option? i.e. stop being such an attention *****.

You could have ignored this thread. Yet you chose to post in it.

noob.

msalama
07-04-2007, 12:49 PM
Well a certain amount of stupid c**p is actually very good for your health IMO. Provided that you don't take it too seriously, that is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-04-2007, 12:49 PM
I had a strange dream last night, I was going to make a topic about it, then thought, `Who`s going to care?`

By the way it`s referendum.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2007, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
How about giving Quazi's response as an option? i.e. stop being such an attention *****.

You could have ignored this thread. Yet you chose to post in it.

noob. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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willyvic
07-04-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/catfight.gif

Now that's funny!

WV

MEGILE
07-04-2007, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You really need to just play the game and stop taking things on a message board so personally


Originally posted by Megile:


Coming from you Chuck, that is amusingly ironic.



Originally posted by BBB462cid:

??

Words on a PC screen do not hurt me. Perhaps others, maybe even you. I do not know (or really care). But I don't get all huffy about things here.

You may be confusing my ability to put people down so badly that THEY get bent out of shape with me personally getting upset, or the fact that I will take the time to tell people why they are wrong, point by point, as me getting mad

That is the common innerweb wisdom:

"ZOMG!!! HE posted two paragraffs! He musted got mad!!!!11!!!lolone one"

Some people may even take this "long winded" reply of mine that way. Those people are the kidz and I really couldn't care less what those dolts think. In fact, since you and I have been here long enough to know who is a flippin idiot and who is not, you can probably relate to the fact that when certain people tell me I'm upset, I can smile to myself and know that I hit the bullseye with them. You're a bit of a button-pusher yourself Megile. Nobody's told you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But you, you're not stupid, either. And you know exactly what's going on here, and what I'm talking about. You just like to stir up trouble, and you're taking the opportunity now. You know how many threads Aimail has started about this just in the last hour, so don't play devil's advocate, at least not with me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sorry, you're right... I obviously must have mistook you for someone else.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2007, 12:57 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's my new favorite, Willy

Airmail109
07-04-2007, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I had a strange dream last night, I was going to make a topic about it, then thought, `Who`s going to care?`

By the way it`s referendum.

Doh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I made a few typos in that post! Grrr

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2007, 12:58 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif What's that supposed to mean, Megile? Sometimes you're really no fun

LStarosta
07-04-2007, 01:13 PM
I went with option 1.

De facto democracy in action!

MEGILE
07-04-2007, 01:24 PM
Democracy only works if you agree with it.

Targ
07-04-2007, 01:26 PM
I voted option one,
but with final oversite by they who mod.
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Urufu_Shinjiro
07-04-2007, 02:04 PM
I vote Quazi for President!!!

neural_dream
07-04-2007, 02:07 PM
Mods in this forum are obsolete.

BrotherVoodoo
07-04-2007, 02:12 PM
I think it gets a little overboard on the OT at times. If it has something to relate with aviation, even a little bit, I am interested. All of the other junk can go away IMO.

T_O_A_D
07-04-2007, 02:26 PM
Well we sure aren't going to have a free for all, thats for sure, regardless of the Polls outcome.

I voted option one.

Were a family of like minded enthusiast, there is no real reason not to share personal things and ideas outside the bounds of IL2 and aviation. This is Genreal Discusion after all.

Keep it clean and interesting, and have fun. If you can tie to IL2 or aviation all the better.

Do you actually think the guys we honor by their memory with this venue, sat atound in their tents,barrack etc. talked only about their aircraft and training.

Of course not.

Enjoy each other as they did, and just have good clean fun.

Geeze some people I swear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'm not condoning anyone just post OT all the time, and multiple times all day though.
But in moderation once a week per member would not be going overboard.

han freak solo
07-04-2007, 02:45 PM
"Im moving to CWOS" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

No, really. Option 1.

LStarosta
07-04-2007, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Well we sure aren't going to have a free for all, thats for sure, regardless of the Polls outcome.

I voted option one.

Were a family of like minded enthusiast, there is no real reason not to share personal things and ideas outside the bounds of IL2 and aviation. This is Genreal Discusion after all.

Keep it clean and interesting, and have fun. If you can tie to IL2 or aviation all the better.

Do you actually think the guys we honor by their memory with this venue, sat atound in their tents,barrack etc. talked only about their aircraft and training.

Of course not.

Enjoy each other as they did, and just have good clean fun.

Geeze some people I swear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'm not condoning anyone just post OT all the time, and multiple times all day though.
But in moderation once a week per member would not be going overboard.

Nice way of putting it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

slipBall
07-04-2007, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Well we sure aren't going to have a free for all, thats for sure, regardless of the Polls outcome.

I voted option one.

Were a family of like minded enthusiast, there is no real reason not to share personal things and ideas outside the bounds of IL2 and aviation. This is Genreal Discusion after all.

Keep it clean and interesting, and have fun. If you can tie to IL2 or aviation all the better.

Do you actually think the guys we honor by their memory with this venue, sat atound in their tents,barrack etc. talked only about their aircraft and training.

Of course not.

Enjoy each other as they did, and just have good clean fun.

Geeze some people I swear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'm not condoning anyone just post OT all the time, and multiple times all day though.
But in moderation once a week per member would not be going overboard.

Nice way of putting it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif


Luke, why Long Island in your sig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

han freak solo
07-04-2007, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:

Luke, why Long Island in your sig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

It seems to have drifted out to sea.

LStarosta
07-04-2007, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Well we sure aren't going to have a free for all, thats for sure, regardless of the Polls outcome.

I voted option one.

Were a family of like minded enthusiast, there is no real reason not to share personal things and ideas outside the bounds of IL2 and aviation. This is Genreal Discusion after all.

Keep it clean and interesting, and have fun. If you can tie to IL2 or aviation all the better.

Do you actually think the guys we honor by their memory with this venue, sat atound in their tents,barrack etc. talked only about their aircraft and training.

Of course not.

Enjoy each other as they did, and just have good clean fun.

Geeze some people I swear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'm not condoning anyone just post OT all the time, and multiple times all day though.
But in moderation once a week per member would not be going overboard.

Nice way of putting it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif


Luke, why Long Island in your sig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cause I'm a Lawn Guylander, albeit currently landlocked by 90 miles from the nearest beach in Michigan.

Funny how you never miss the place or think of yourself as an Islander until you move away.

slipBall
07-04-2007, 04:28 PM
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Luke, why Long Island in your sig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif[/QUOTE]

Cause I'm a Lawn Guylander, albeit currently landlocked by 90 miles from the nearest beach in Michigan.

Funny how you never miss the place or think of yourself as an Islander until you move away.[/QUOTE]



Well I'm still on the island, most likely will die here too.....could you try to re-attach it the the city with a bridge or 2 please! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LStarosta
07-04-2007, 04:52 PM
Why the hell would you wanna go to New York Sh*ty anyway? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

As soon as I get out of the Air Force, I want to buy a shack by the beach somewhere in east Suffolk and live the rest of my days there.

slipBall
07-04-2007, 05:09 PM
It's funny I felt the same way when I moved to Grand Rapids, Mi for awhile. Could not wait to get back here...home on the island. I live on the east end in a shack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif, nows the time to buy, homes are droping in value quite abit here

LStarosta
07-04-2007, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
It's funny I felt the same way when I moved to Grand Rapids, Mi for awhile. Could not wait to get back here...home on the island. I live on the east end in a shack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif, nows the time to buy, homes are droping in value quite abit here

Damn, I wont be able to move back for another 8 years or so. By then, the Island will probably turn into a landfill of people where an RV trailer lot will cost like 300 grand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

A relative bought a 1.3 acre lot of South Hampton land in the 80's for about 20 grand, built three tiny houses on it and sold it a couple years back for close to a million before taxes. Friggin insane.

Alloy007P
07-04-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I enjoy reading OT threads as long as theyre not racist, religious, or political. This forums painfully boring without them, the people who coplained are huge bores!

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-HH-Quazi
07-04-2007, 10:13 PM
If OT threads could be kept on topic & discussed in an acceptable manner without breaking the rules of these forums, then great. And I am not saying that all OT threads break the rules that myself & everyone here agreed to abide by. I have throughly enjoyed some of the OT threads I have even posted in several of them stating so. But this is an example of what shouldn't happen:

On June 30th, there was an awful attempt to take innocent lives in Glasgow, Scotland. Xiolablu felt the need to inform the community here about this terrible event and that is understandable. And then before we ever got through the first page there were already remarks about Muslims that put all Muslims in a bad light.

Under the Rules of Conduct we all agreed to it states.....

.....you will violate the Terms of Use if you in Ubi's sole discretion (or others using your Account) do any of the following:

Post content or send Communications of any form impugning someone's race, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, political beliefs, or ethnic heritage.


And then it started....

"Yeah, I bet the Americans would have been pissed If we rounded all the Irish up and had them shot or sent them packing
Thats not a surprise though considering the IRA was funded by the US"


Now the above post introduced what turned out to be the main focus of this thread that was supposed to be about a failed bombing attempt in Glasgow, Scotland. Not only that but it was a degrading comment towards Americans in general.

Now on page two, the topic of the thread should have been renamed to "IRA\British - The Definitive History". But still yet there were post bashing peoples religion, & ethnic heritage, like this one....

"I agree, because skin color is unreliable, and I personally don't see color. Maybe they should do pH tests on saliva because Muslims have acidic saliva because they have no souls because they don't believe in God, but rather some guy named Allan or however you spell it. Then we can expel all the baddies."


And then this one:

"IM sure its Japanese people who have no souls."


Then while still on page 2 there was a m8 that posted this plea:

"Guys, speaking as someone who lives in Glasgow, todays incident had NOTHING to do with Ireland, the IRA or a guy called Allan. I am genuinely interested to hear what other Glaswegians and Brits think of the attack, so please lets try NOT to get this thread locked. Thank you."


The m8 that posted the above wanted to continue with the topic of the thread. I believe it was because he realized the seriousness of what had happened. Shoot, he lives in Glasgow. But was his plea heard or adhered too, nope.

From here on out there were a few attempts at trying to bring the thread back on topic, but it wasn't to be. But there was one m8 that seen it for what it was. Uther posted...

"In these dark times,this is the best thread here.I will keep right out of the British/PIRA debate.It has no place in this thread."


The thread couldn't stop there, no. There had to be a post like the following...

"+1 this thread is for Muslim bashing, not Catholic/Protestant bashing.
Please stay on topic."


And a m8 took offense at that post & asked this question....

"Any mods out here?"


And guess what, he got some support....

"I agree. we should stop this Muslim bashing. We should stop this Catholic bashing. We should stop this Protestant bashing...and start some serious mods bashing!"


So as much as I enjoy reading some of the great OT threads, it is OT threads that opens the door to the kind of dialogue above. And we, as moderators, have a responsibility not only to enforce the Rules of Conduct, but to make sure our forum here is a place where thirteen yr old kids can visit & participate. And Ubi Soft's forums are full of young kids and they have access to this forum as well as any other Ubi Soft forum.



So I am going to leave you all with this....

Continue with your OT threads. But know this, at any given time I read a thread of any kind whether it is OT or not and there is even a hint of any dialogue like that of the Glasgow thread, or if in any thread there is a Rules of Conduct violation, here is what is going to happen:

You will receive a warning. You will have a note placed on your account that you have received a warning & it will be dated. And the offending thread\post will be kept up with.

If you receive another warning your account will be suspended for one week. A note will be placed on your account & the offending thread\post will be kept up with.

If you receive another warning your account will be suspended for two weeks & this two week suspension will be considered a final warning. A note will be placed on your account & the offending thread\post will be kept up with.

If you receive another warning it will result in a permanent ban. Warnings will be made known to offending members via PM.



So I ask, please keep this in mind when participating in any thread or making a post. All in all we have a fantastic group of people here. Let's keep it that way.

Old_Canuck
07-04-2007, 10:28 PM
Post 'em all. Let Mod sort 'em out.

BTW, I had the same yukky feeling about the attempts to make a joke out of the fumbled Glaskow bombings. Outside our living room window we can see a very large propane tank that would take out a few of our condos and go up like a rocket and then take out a few more when it comes back down if some nutcase decides to blow it up. You wouldn't hear anyone in our neighborhood joking if that happened.

Cheers, Glaskow, glad it turned out ok for you.

LStarosta
07-04-2007, 10:31 PM
But still yet there were post bashing peoples religion, & ethnic heritage, like this one....

LMFAO Quazi, you mean to tell me that you actually thought I was serious? Have you heard of sarcasm before? You SERIOUSLY thought that someone can think that you can measure someone's saliva pH level and determine they have a soul or not? LMFAO

Why didn't you post the example of the seemingly racist post that my post was referring to. Let me remind you now, that the post referred to "watching out" because not all Muslims were "dark skinned" anymore along with something to the effect of suggesting different profiling methods. Or did that go over your head?

Christ.... I mean, seriously now. A 3rd grader would have gotten the point. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif You wanna get worked up over things, then fine. But honestly, there are way more serious things to get worked up over than some blatantly obvious ******ed tongue-in-cheek sarcastic post.

For you, however, I will put a http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif smilie at the end of every sarcastic post I make, just so you get it and I don't have to get a "warning". Deal?

P.S. http://www.african-angler.co.uk/tim_nile_perch.jpg

Old_Canuck
07-04-2007, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Post 'em all. Let Mod sort 'em out.

BTW, I had the same yukky feeling about the attempts to make a joke out of the fumbled Glasgow bombings. Outside our living room window we can see a very large propane tank that would take out a few of our condos and go up like a rocket and then take out a few more when it comes back down if some nutcase decides to blow it up. You wouldn't hear anyone in our neighborhood joking if that happened.

Cheers, Glasgow, glad it turned out ok for you.

oops .. mispelled Glasgow.

Crash_Moses
07-04-2007, 10:41 PM
I'd vote #1 with one minor change.

"I enjoy reading OT threads as long as theyre not racist, religious, political, or inane..."

Posting BS out of boredom is sometimes more aggravating than entertaining. Interesting topics disappear fast enough as it is. I hate hunting for them between missions.

Not that I've never participated... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

heywooood
07-05-2007, 12:52 AM
Crash_Moses is new judge advocate general of the inane

Lstarosta got put on single secret probation and took umbrage...and a partially torn copy of Gigantic Boobies from behind the counter - hey the clerk was distracted...

Personally - if it ain't got no personalities in it - a forum becomes just another dry wasteland to be avoided. This one is lively and remarkably well moderated (bet you didn't see that one coming) all in all...

And you can warn me if I cross the line or ban me if you like - I can take it...sorta...

-HH-Quazi
07-05-2007, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But still yet there were post bashing peoples religion, & ethnic heritage, like this one....

LMFAO Quazi, you mean to tell me that you actually thought I was serious? Have you heard of sarcasm before? You SERIOUSLY thought that someone can think that you can measure someone's saliva pH level and determine they have a soul or not? LMFAO

Why didn't you post the example of the seemingly racist post that my post was referring to. Let me remind you now, that the post referred to "watching out" because not all Muslims were "dark skinned" anymore along with something to the effect of suggesting different profiling methods. Or did that go over your head?

Christ.... I mean, seriously now. A 3rd grader would have gotten the point. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif You wanna get worked up over things, then fine. But honestly, there are way more serious things to get worked up over than some blatantly obvious ******ed tongue-in-cheek sarcastic post.

For you, however, I will put a http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif smilie at the end of every sarcastic post I make, just so you get it and I don't have to get a "warning". Deal?

P.S. http://www.african-angler.co.uk/tim_nile_perch.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not at all LaStarosta. I have read you for a long time. Shoot, I have read you for such a long time you wouldn't even have to put your name beside a post for me to know who posted it. Of course I knew you were cuttin' up (spamming). But that doesn't make a difference. It was two things. First it was the content. All joking aside, not a good idea to even attempt to cut up with that subject matter. Secondly, it was totally inappropriate for the seriousness of the subject matter and I am sure it wasn't appreciated by the m8s who quite possibly could have lost loved ones\friends if that bomb would have detonated. Surely you can see that.

neural_dream
07-05-2007, 02:40 AM
What a conservative bunch of forumers.

EURO_Snoopy
07-05-2007, 03:38 AM
It's probably time to rename the Pacific Fighters Forum to IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 or similar and leave general Discussion for ummm,,,, let me see.... General discussion?

It is a mistake leaving the PF forum as the only unique IL-2 Forum.

-HH-Quazi
07-05-2007, 06:39 AM
I agree Euro_Snoopy. Have all the IL-2\aviation discussion in the PF and allow General Discussion to be just that. But, whatever topics are discussed, they should abide by Ubi Softs' Rules of Conduct.

After the Glasgow bombing thread, it is more than evident that this is what needs to be done. Everyone here is more than capable of keeping discussions & posts within the boundaries of these rules & guidelines. And if there were ever a thread that gives evidence of that, just pull up the thread that was intently discussed in this forum last month on gun control. It was an awesome discussion for such a controversial topic & the m8s here were outstanding, getting their points across & being accepting of the others views no matter what part of the world they hailed from.

MEGILE
07-05-2007, 06:52 AM
I love Forum. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 07:14 AM
Judge Advocate General of the Inane...I like it. Where's Toad?

T_O_A_D
07-05-2007, 07:41 AM
I'm right here CM, Community Manger, **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif I mean Crash_Moses http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

SlayingZero
07-05-2007, 07:50 AM
There should have been another option to, 'Bring back the Pilots Lounge.' That's where the junk used to go IIRC. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 08:02 AM
Judge Advocate General of the Inane...Community Manager...same thing, right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by SlayingZero:
There should have been another option to, 'Bring back the Pilots Lounge.' That's where the junk used to go IIRC. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Combine that with EURO_Snoopy's suggestion. Rename GD "Pilot's Lounge" (ya know...to keep with the theme) and then rename the PF forum...

Another option would be to make a sticky in GD..."All Stupid !@#$%# here".

carguy_
07-05-2007, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
LMFAO Quazi, you mean to tell me that you actually thought I was serious? Have you heard of sarcasm before? You SERIOUSLY thought that someone can think that you can measure someone's saliva pH level and determine they have a soul or not? LMFAO

(...)

For you, however, I will put a http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif smilie at the end of every sarcastic post I make, just so you get it and I don't have to get a "warning". Deal?


There was no smilie at the end of your post where you called my cat a rapist.

Besides,sarcasm is a typical attitude of life loosers if you know what I mean.

I voted option one ofcourse.On a sidenote Aimail might aswell STFU if he wants to talk about cats.

LStarosta
07-05-2007, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Besides,sarcasm is a typical attitude of life loosers if you know what I mean.


Only for those who don't get it.


And cats are rapists. They invite you with their cute purring and then they proceed to exfoliate your flesh from your arm as you try to pet them, and at the end when you die, they will probably hump your leg.

Bearcat99
07-05-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
I'd vote #1 with one minor change.

"I enjoy reading OT threads as long as theyre not racist, religious, political, or inane..."

Posting BS out of boredom is sometimes more aggravating than entertaining. Interesting topics disappear fast enough as it is. I hate hunting for them between missions.

Not that I've never participated... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Yeah BS little fishing threads (note I said threads.. not posts Moses..) like this one. It is what it is..and frankly I think that the mods here do a decent job of keeping things straight considering that we dont get paid, we have lives, jobs,wives and other responsibilities that are more important than policing a bunch of grown men who should know better that to say some of the stupid BS that they do on public forums ad nauseum after repeated warnings, bannings and requests to not do so. I can think of at least 7 folks off the top of my head.... names you will all recognize.. who have been repeatedly sent on vacation to the point where some have had to change their IP. We do our jobs as best we can, and sometimes we make mistakes. Many of the biggest offenders on these boards who constantly turn potentially interesting threads into personal debates or outright flame fests are not "noobs" they arent kids.. they are just opinionated grown men who think that their opinions are more importantthan the need of the rest of this community for interesting dialog.

Strictly IL2 topics dont work. Period. It has been tried several times before and since I became a mod here.. and it doesnt work. The links between what we do here -the history- and facts of today are too finely drawn to just cut them off at some gray line. It would be nice though if some of the same people who constantly turn interesting discussions into nation bashing, personal debates with other posters in the thread with absolutely NO REGARD WHATSOEVER for the thread starter or other posters in the thread who may actaully be learningsomething or enjoying the interaction with people that they otherwise would never haveeven had the ability to talk to would be more mature and considerate and put their brains in gear before they try to put their virtual mouths in motion.

This place is one of the best run and mnost freindly places on the internet. Perhaps people who still onsist on calling it a Zoo... or complaining constantly about things that they often contribute to bring the place down should find somewhereelse that is more to their liking.

I voted 1... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


It's probably time to rename the Pacific Fighters Forum to IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 or similar and leave general Discussion for ummm,,,, let me see.... General discussion?

It is a mistake leaving the PF forum as the only unique IL-2 Forum.


I agree.... But I do think thatthe GD forum is mostly IL2 related...

As for the pilots lounge... it will never happen IMO. Look at what you are asking? This is the GD forum... and guys cant even think enough before they post to not be insulting.. even if they are being "sarcastic" or "joking" etc.... Dont even start with the numbtards who try to be intentionally provocative. A PL would give those same people the idea that anything goes..... and they would at the very least do the same thing that they do here.......

Airmail109
07-05-2007, 09:37 AM
This isn't a fishing thread Bearcat. This is an attempt to bring some measure of democracy to these forums, and find out what the majority really want from the forums.

I was actually genuinely hacked off that my thread, which wasn't even worthy of a lock was deleted.

I mean I think its great that I can bash COMMIES or the BRITISH on here, and have the thread run in to the dozens of pages. But man, If I post something celebrating the release of a Journalist who's a Palestinian sympathizer, quick DELETE it!!!! However, I did not mention he was a Palestinian sympathizer, so there was NO politics or religion in the thread WHATSOEVER .

I like to think it highlights the integrity of some of the characters on here.

Monty_Thrud
07-05-2007, 10:13 AM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//TranspWebForumLogo.gif

Airmail109
07-05-2007, 10:15 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

That looks like a Monty Python cartoon! Is it?

EDIT: Ahhhh Its a film! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Never seen it!

LStarosta
07-05-2007, 10:17 AM
Let's just bash the Anaheim Ducks and Chris Pronger a little bit.

And no I'm not being sarcastic.

Bearcat99
07-05-2007, 10:21 AM
You can bash "commies" or Brits here...? Since when... As for the thread you mention.. I didn't get into it... I have been away from my PC and I am on my laptop now... I have a funeral to go to.. my cousin was murdered by car on the Southern State pkwy on L.I. Monday night... but who here doesn't know that current events politics are always going to be hot topics...... yet people still post them here.. and some people still refuse to do their part to try to keep things civil... and we mods try to keep the place interesting... and let people talk about meaningful adult stuff. When that goes south and mods start to just lock all current event topics then we get this "democracy" stuff.... The PL was great.. but it was community members... who just refused to get it who are the reason why there is no PL anymore. Is that what you want here?

Airmail109
07-05-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
You can bash "commies" or Brits here...? Since when... As for the thread you mention.. I didn't get into it... I have been away from my PC and I am on my laptop now... I have a funeral to go to.. my cousin was murdered by car on the Southern State pkwy on L.I. Monday night... but who here doesn't know that current events politics are always going to be hot topics...... yet people still post them here.. and some people still refuse to do their part to try to keep things civil... and we mods try to keep the place interesting... and let people talk about meaningful adult stuff. When that goes south and mods start to just lock all current event topics then we get this "democracy" stuff.... The PL was great.. but it was community members... who just refused to get it who are the reason why there is no PL anymore. Is that what you want here?

Good points bear! No I'm not asking for a Pilots Lounge, it would be nice but....well you know!

Yeah most of the mods to a great job on here!

I'm sorry to here about the car incident Bearcat ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Hope things go alright!

Bearcat99
07-05-2007, 10:46 AM
TY...

We need to police ourselves more here. The oldtimers who know the drill can be just as helpful in keeping things straight by informing mods of potentially bad posts.. and also letting the newcomers know when they cross those lines.... The mods can only do so much.. but if everyone did their part we could have a bigger piece of cake... so we could eat more.

LStarosta
07-05-2007, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
The oldtimers who know the drill can be just as helpful in keeping things straight by informing mods of potentially bad posts.. and also letting the newcomers know when they cross those lines....

Okay, Bearcat, I got your back.

http://www.spscriptorium.com/SPMedia/1010_hall_monitor_cartman.jpg

Go with Christ, brah. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

That looks like a Monty Python cartoon! Is it?

EDIT: Ahhhh Its a film! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Never seen it!

It began as a play. We did it in High School...had a blast.


Originally posted by Bearcat99:
It would be nice though if some of the same people who constantly turn interesting discussions into nation bashing, personal debates with other posters in the thread with absolutely NO REGARD WHATSOEVER for the thread starter or other posters in the thread who may actaully be learningsomething or enjoying the interaction with people that they otherwise would never haveeven had the ability to talk to would be more mature and considerate and put their brains in gear before they try to put their virtual mouths in motion.

Case in point: I've been chit-chatting with a couple of elderly (sorry, guys...couldn't resist :-) ) former bush pilots in PF. I encouraged them to post in GD as I thought what they had to say was interesting but they were very hesitant because...

"Hey guys....I'm not sure I want to post in GD, I just went in to look around,I don't know if it's my dumb luck or theres no mod or rules, every thing I opened was like being at a porno forum, I have nothing against porno, but I'm on my first cup of coffee, and I'm not really intersted in listening to young studs dueling, and boasting!"

Pretty telling, eh?

Bearcat99
07-05-2007, 11:25 AM
In this GD? Where....?

BrotherVoodoo
07-05-2007, 11:43 AM
Maybe a lame idea, how about a dedicated OT room?

LStarosta
07-05-2007, 11:43 AM
Hey man, I invite you to go to any bar or airport lounge and listen in on the conversations going on there. It's maybe 70% bullsh*t and 30% aviation. It does not surprise me that people go off topic all the time, especially with how old this sim is.

leitmotiv
07-05-2007, 11:47 AM
LS went right to the heart of the matter, sorry guys, the audience is bored stiff. Time for BOB.

faustnik
07-05-2007, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
Maybe a lame idea, how about a dedicated OT room?

BrotherVoodoo,

You missed out on a lot of forum history. The "Pilot's Lounge" was an OT forum here that was cut because of controversial topics.

Tolwyn and others were kind enough to host it here:
http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/modules.php?name=Forums

It's not a place for the weak-hearted however. Enter at your own risk. If you have a thin skin, prepare to have it painfully pealed off in short order.

There is another IL-2 forum there. It's very laid back and not too serious. There are also the Fw190, P-38, and Hawker forums which are too serious and pretty much like watching paint dry if you don't have specific interest in technical details.

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
In this GD? Where....?

Dunno...and I'm sure there's a little hyperbole there...point is he was skittish about posting in GD.

Bearcat99
07-05-2007, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
Maybe a lame idea, how about a dedicated OT room?

There was one.. called The Pilot's Lounge.. it was shut down when Iraqui Freedom was launched because the level of commentary directly related to that event was so vitriolic and so out of control that UBI decided to shut down the OTforum. We havent had one since.. and I doubtwe will again. If you want to get an idea of why it was closed check out the link that faustnik posted..... I visit CWOS from time to time.... but there is no way that a company like UBI or anyone else that is in business canhost a forum like CWOS.. and have it be good for business.


Originally posted by LStarosta:
Hey man, I invite you to go to any bar or airport lounge and listen in on the conversations going on there. It's maybe 70% bullsh*t and 30% aviation. It does not surprise me that people go off topic all the time, especially with how old this sim is.

I agree with part of that and thats why we dont try to just lock any and every thread that goes even remotely OT... however you cant compare a real world airport to these boards.

buzzsaw1939
07-05-2007, 12:23 PM
Bearcat... I'm the one that Moses was talking about. It turns out it (was) my dumb luck to look in on a thread that wasn't my cup of tea! I'm not the typ to point fingers, so I'll leave it alone, I've got one going in here now, and am haveing a lot of fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MEGILE
07-05-2007, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:

There was no smilie at the end of your post where you called my cat a rapist.


LMAO

MEGILE
07-05-2007, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
You can bash "commies" or Brits here...?


TBH they both deserve it.

MEGILE
07-05-2007, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:


"Hey guys....I'm not sure I want to post in GD, I just went in to look around,I don't know if it's my dumb luck or theres no mod or rules, every thing I opened was like being at a porno forum, I have nothing against porno, but I'm on my first cup of coffee, and I'm not really intersted in listening to young studs dueling, and boasting!"

Pretty telling, eh?

Yeah, sounds a hell of a place http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


I Like UBI... its split into 3 areas.

Chart Monkeys, Funnay, and Forum-Nazis.

The chart monkeys are inane and like to talk about their charts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

The funnay are cool, and try to lighten threads up.. but if you don't get the joke don't blame me or starosta.

And the Forum-nazis, just love to spread their political opinion in every thread.

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Bearcat... I'm the one that Moses was talking about. It turns out it (was) my dumb luck to look in on a thread that wasn't my cup of tea! I'm not the typ to point fingers, so I'll leave it alone, I've got one going in here now, and am haveing a lot of fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Glad to hear it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-05-2007, 12:54 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 12:55 PM
lol...

ploughman
07-05-2007, 01:04 PM
The dog on the float story. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

-HH-Quazi
07-05-2007, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
This isn't a fishing thread Bearcat. This is an attempt to bring some measure of democracy to these forums, and find out what the majority really want from the forums.

I was actually genuinely hacked off that my thread, which wasn't even worthy of a lock was deleted.

I mean I think its great that I can bash COMMIES or the BRITISH on here, and have the thread run in to the dozens of pages. But man, If I post something celebrating the release of a Journalist who's a Palestinian sympathizer, quick DELETE it!!!! However, I did not mention he was a Palestinian sympathizer, so there was NO politics or religion in the thread WHATSOEVER .

I like to think it highlights the integrity of some of the characters on here. I believe this is the biggest misconception, not only for these forums but for any forum(s). There is no such thing as a democracy when it comes to forums. And I think you all know this. Now there's nothing wrong with finding out what the majority would like to have, but if the owner of the forum don't agree then it doesn't make a hill of beans what the majority wants. And sometimes I think you guys feel that the buck stops with the mods. Well, it doesn't. It stops with UbiSoft & UbiSoft has given that power to our CM's. They say what goes & what doesn't. All we do is try to enforce their rules.

I remember last year our CM only wanted IL-2 & related topics to be discussed in the GD. So threads started disappearing & you guys were not liking it. And I think BC was taking the brunt of this GD communities' anger & all he was doing was what was the job he agreed to do when he accepted a position as a moderator. Well, I believe one of us went to bat for you guys & spoke to the CM & threads stopped disappearing.

I shared that with you all to show you & say this. We are the middle men between you guys (our communities members) & the CM. We do represent the CM & UbiSoft and do their bidding, but we always have you guys interest at heart. Let's let the past be the past and from here on out if you happen to see a thread missing, or locked, just know that we had reason to do so. And there is nothing wrong with inviting all the mods to a PM and asking what was so wrong about it. There is no need to do this publically, besides, you'll come closer to getting an answer through using the PM than you would asking publically.

As far as bashing other nationalities? I have run into a couple threads that this was happening in over the past year or so. But I could tell it was being done from both sides & no one was taking it seriously. It was more like having fun & poking at one another. So I let it go. I don't believe I will be letting it go any longer though.

You guys have been given allot of leeway whether you realize it or not. The mods here that have been doing the majority of policing have put their necks out on the line allowing you all to be able to be the m8s you are. How you are asking? By allowing some borderline discussion topics to go uninterupted. And many discussions to continue that actually went a bit over the line.

So keep this in mind the next time you are involved in a thread & are fixing to make a post that you know will put the mods in an uncomfortable position. I am sure you can confer the same meaning in that post by using\choosing your words a little more carefully.

Let's work together here guys. Yes?

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 01:52 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/salute.gif

MB_Avro_UK
07-05-2007, 03:13 PM
Hi all,

I feel like I'm going through my divorce again..why so much animosity?

(But at least it's a bit cheaper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif)

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

raaaid
07-05-2007, 03:25 PM
i got banned once and message said i was on vacation so i could find somewhere else to post ot, later i couldnt even browse the forum

i tried to post in lfs ot section but they arenot very wellcoming, people divides into thos who disliked me and those who liked me

i like posting here and reading other posts becasue i made a lot of friends but i often wonder how can you make 5000 posts exclusively on aviation, without counting that no ot makes forums boring

and i liked to post ot i cant comment to people on my normal life how shinny clothes have become fashionable resembling atlantis or how the nazis developed a time bell

but i cant because posting ot meant being banned once again and i dont wanna lose contact with my friends here

so i have to bite my tongue in my normal life and so here, i miss the old times

LStarosta
07-05-2007, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
i got banned once and message said i was on vacation so i could find somewhere else to post ot, later i couldnt even browse the forum

i tried to post in lfs ot section but they arenot very wellcoming, people divides into thos who disliked me and those who liked me

i like posting here and reading other posts becasue i made a lot of friends but i often wonder how can you make 5000 posts exclusively on aviation, without counting that no ot makes forums boring

and i liked to post ot i cant comment to people on my normal life how shinny clothes have become fashionable resembling atlantis or how the nazis developed a time bell

but i cant because posting ot meant being banned once again and i dont wanna lose contact with my friends here

so i have to bite my tongue in my normal life and so here, i miss the old times

It's called de facto democracy, Raaaid. You can still post OT. They tried to shut down all things OT so many times before, but they never can because the populace of this forum will not abide by such a decree.

Post on, Raid, post on!

Airmail109
07-05-2007, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
This isn't a fishing thread Bearcat. This is an attempt to bring some measure of democracy to these forums, and find out what the majority really want from the forums.

I was actually genuinely hacked off that my thread, which wasn't even worthy of a lock was deleted.

I mean I think its great that I can bash COMMIES or the BRITISH on here, and have the thread run in to the dozens of pages. But man, If I post something celebrating the release of a Journalist who's a Palestinian sympathizer, quick DELETE it!!!! However, I did not mention he was a Palestinian sympathizer, so there was NO politics or religion in the thread WHATSOEVER .

I like to think it highlights the integrity of some of the characters on here. I believe this is the biggest misconception, not only for these forums but for any forum(s). There is no such thing as a democracy when it comes to forums. And I think you all know this. Now there's nothing wrong with finding out what the majority would like to have, but if the owner of the forum don't agree then it doesn't make a hill of beans what the majority wants. And sometimes I think you guys feel that the buck stops with the mods. Well, it doesn't. It stops with UbiSoft & UbiSoft has given that power to our CM's. They say what goes & what doesn't. All we do is try to enforce their rules.

I remember last year our CM only wanted IL-2 & related topics to be discussed in the GD. So threads started disappearing & you guys were not liking it. And I think BC was taking the brunt of this GD communities' anger & all he was doing was what was the job he agreed to do when he accepted a position as a moderator. Well, I believe one of us went to bat for you guys & spoke to the CM & threads stopped disappearing.

I shared that with you all to show you & say this. We are the middle men between you guys (our communities members) & the CM. We do represent the CM & UbiSoft and do their bidding, but we always have you guys interest at heart. Let's let the past be the past and from here on out if you happen to see a thread missing, or locked, just know that we had reason to do so. And there is nothing wrong with inviting all the mods to a PM and asking what was so wrong about it. There is no need to do this publically, besides, you'll come closer to getting an answer through using the PM than you would asking publically.

As far as bashing other nationalities? I have run into a couple threads that this was happening in over the past year or so. But I could tell it was being done from both sides & no one was taking it seriously. It was more like having fun & poking at one another. So I let it go. I don't believe I will be letting it go any longer though.

You guys have been given allot of leeway whether you realize it or not. The mods here that have been doing the majority of policing have put their necks out on the line allowing you all to be able to be the m8s you are. How you are asking? By allowing some borderline discussion topics to go uninterupted. And many discussions to continue that actually went a bit over the line.

So keep this in mind the next time you are involved in a thread & are fixing to make a post that you know will put the mods in an uncomfortable position. I am sure you can confer the same meaning in that post by using\choosing your words a little more carefully.

Let's work together here guys. Yes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your just dodging questions

So many OT threads, and yet mine which was unpolitical and not religious was deleted.

If you expect us to abide by rules and not bring political agendas into the forums, then you the MODS should not either. Even if this isn't a democracy, in failing to listen to the people of the forums your damaging the community.

Your DELETION of a thread without explanation, whilst allowing others to continue can be construed as a political agenda. Did you lock it because Alan Johnston's a Palestinian sympathizer? Had you just locked the thread with an explanation, things would have been less fishy.

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 05:03 PM
I don't think it was the topic itself that got it deleted but some of the posts...or at least the direction it was heading (correct me if I'm wrong).

So you're thinking maybe offending posts should be deleted rather than the topic itself so those who are behaving properly can continue a relevant discussion? That sounds like a fair compromise...although it sounds like a lot more work for the mods.

Airmail109
07-05-2007, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
I don't think it was the topic itself that got it deleted but some of the posts...or at least the direction it was heading (correct me if I'm wrong).

So you're thinking maybe offending posts should be deleted rather than the topic itself so those who are behaving properly can continue a relevant discussion? That sounds like a fair compromise...although it sounds like a lot more work for the mods.

Yeah definitely!

I didn't even get a chance to read my thread! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Daiichidoku
07-05-2007, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
Sorry, you're right... I obviously must have mistook you for someone else.


Megile...you're out of your league, pard

Bearcat99
07-05-2007, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
I don't think it was the topic itself that got it deleted but some of the posts...or at least the direction it was heading (correct me if I'm wrong).

So you're thinking maybe offending posts should be deleted rather than the topic itself so those who are behaving properly can continue a relevant discussion? That sounds like a fair compromise...although it sounds like a lot more work for the mods.

Yeah definitely!

I didn't even get a chance to read my thread! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I am not the one who deleted your thread I ant tell you how manytimes I have seen threads ruined and taken in an entirely different negative direction by one or two posts.. very often the second or third posts in the thread. I also cant tell you how many times I have let threads go on and regretted it... Deleting posts within athread doesnt work either.... very often you wind up having to delete half the thread after all the quotes are taken into consideration. The bottom line is if people cant control themselves and take beefs to PMs... then this will always happen....

-HH-Quazi
07-05-2007, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
This isn't a fishing thread Bearcat. This is an attempt to bring some measure of democracy to these forums, and find out what the majority really want from the forums.

I was actually genuinely hacked off that my thread, which wasn't even worthy of a lock was deleted.

I mean I think its great that I can bash COMMIES or the BRITISH on here, and have the thread run in to the dozens of pages. But man, If I post something celebrating the release of a Journalist who's a Palestinian sympathizer, quick DELETE it!!!! However, I did not mention he was a Palestinian sympathizer, so there was NO politics or religion in the thread WHATSOEVER .

I like to think it highlights the integrity of some of the characters on here. I believe this is the biggest misconception, not only for these forums but for any forum(s). There is no such thing as a democracy when it comes to forums. And I think you all know this. Now there's nothing wrong with finding out what the majority would like to have, but if the owner of the forum don't agree then it doesn't make a hill of beans what the majority wants. And sometimes I think you guys feel that the buck stops with the mods. Well, it doesn't. It stops with UbiSoft & UbiSoft has given that power to our CM's. They say what goes & what doesn't. All we do is try to enforce their rules.

I remember last year our CM only wanted IL-2 & related topics to be discussed in the GD. So threads started disappearing & you guys were not liking it. And I think BC was taking the brunt of this GD communities' anger & all he was doing was what was the job he agreed to do when he accepted a position as a moderator. Well, I believe one of us went to bat for you guys & spoke to the CM & threads stopped disappearing.

I shared that with you all to show you & say this. We are the middle men between you guys (our communities members) & the CM. We do represent the CM & UbiSoft and do their bidding, but we always have you guys interest at heart. Let's let the past be the past and from here on out if you happen to see a thread missing, or locked, just know that we had reason to do so. And there is nothing wrong with inviting all the mods to a PM and asking what was so wrong about it. There is no need to do this publically, besides, you'll come closer to getting an answer through using the PM than you would asking publically.

As far as bashing other nationalities? I have run into a couple threads that this was happening in over the past year or so. But I could tell it was being done from both sides & no one was taking it seriously. It was more like having fun & poking at one another. So I let it go. I don't believe I will be letting it go any longer though.

You guys have been given allot of leeway whether you realize it or not. The mods here that have been doing the majority of policing have put their necks out on the line allowing you all to be able to be the m8s you are. How you are asking? By allowing some borderline discussion topics to go uninterupted. And many discussions to continue that actually went a bit over the line.

So keep this in mind the next time you are involved in a thread & are fixing to make a post that you know will put the mods in an uncomfortable position. I am sure you can confer the same meaning in that post by using\choosing your words a little more carefully.

Let's work together here guys. Yes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your just dodging questions

So many OT threads, and yet mine which was unpolitical and not religious was deleted.

If you expect us to abide by rules and not bring political agendas into the forums, then you the MODS should not either. Even if this isn't a democracy, in failing to listen to the people of the forums your damaging the community.

Your DELETION of a thread without explanation, whilst allowing others to continue can be construed as a political agenda. Did you lock it because Alan Johnston's a Palestinian sympathizer? Had you just locked the thread with an explanation, things would have been less fishy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have no idea about any thread of yours that was either moved or deleted. I really could care less. The fact that it no longer exists tell me all I need to know about it.

And I have stated where I stand on OT threads. I have no issues with OT threads. But there are members of this community that do have issues with OT threads & would rather not see them posted in this forum. They have just as much right to advocate against OT threads as you do to advocate for OT threads. But allot of these members no longer frequent this forum because of OT threads.

Speaking only for myself I have never discussed or made a comment or post in any thread concerning political agendas or anything political for that matter. For that matter you will hardly ever see me post in any thread in the General Discussion forum. If I do it is to thank the participants for an interesting read. My job is to moderate, not participate. That is how I choose to moderate. But people are different. Too each their own with my full support.

If & when I lock, move, or delete any thread I owe no one an explanation. Now I bet that just gets your gord eh?.

And yes, I expect us all to abide by the rules.

luftluuver
07-05-2007, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
If & when I lock, move, or delete any thread I owe no one an explanation. It would be still nice to know the reason why. Without a reason given, ppl will have no clue why and will not learn.

LStarosta
07-05-2007, 08:13 PM
Geeze, Quazi, you are being quite the shoe clerk on here.

I get on these forums because I get enough of the shoeing going on in my line of work from POC/CTA's and O's. Look like it's followed me here.
I mean, Ivan bans me all the time, but he's never a d*ck about it and doesn't sit on his high chair singing Lynyrd Skynyrd's Don't Ask Me No Questions.

For the record, you just made me an alcoholic.

han freak solo
07-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Ivan ftw. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Daiichidoku
07-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Ivan bans me all the time, but he's never a d*ck about it

almost sig worthy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

-HH-Quazi
07-05-2007, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
If & when I lock, move, or delete any thread I owe no one an explanation. It would be still nice to know the reason why. Without a reason given, ppl will have no clue why and will not learn. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And I don't blame you. If it were me I would want an explanation. Just because I said I would owe no explanation isn't saying that I wouldn't give an explanation. If I move or delete a thread in the future the thread starter will probably get a PM from me letting him know why. It is only fair to do so imo. But up until now over the least two years, I have probably only moved a few to the mod forum. I've never deleted a thread

I spend the majority of my time in the Community Help forum answering questions & trying to help old hands & new hands alike get this sim and\or their rigs running well. When things are quiet over there, I make rounds in all the forums. This forum already has three very active mods that I know of. I am pretty sure these guys all have days jobs & have to sleep at night. That is when it gets quiet in the Community Help forum and when I make it over here. (I don't sleep very much) Not necessarily looking for problems. Mainly looking for some good reads. But that Glasgow thread really got my attention. I've posted more here in a day or two than I have in two years I bet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Airmail109
07-06-2007, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
This isn't a fishing thread Bearcat. This is an attempt to bring some measure of democracy to these forums, and find out what the majority really want from the forums.

I was actually genuinely hacked off that my thread, which wasn't even worthy of a lock was deleted.

I mean I think its great that I can bash COMMIES or the BRITISH on here, and have the thread run in to the dozens of pages. But man, If I post something celebrating the release of a Journalist who's a Palestinian sympathizer, quick DELETE it!!!! However, I did not mention he was a Palestinian sympathizer, so there was NO politics or religion in the thread WHATSOEVER .

I like to think it highlights the integrity of some of the characters on here. I believe this is the biggest misconception, not only for these forums but for any forum(s). There is no such thing as a democracy when it comes to forums. And I think you all know this. Now there's nothing wrong with finding out what the majority would like to have, but if the owner of the forum don't agree then it doesn't make a hill of beans what the majority wants. And sometimes I think you guys feel that the buck stops with the mods. Well, it doesn't. It stops with UbiSoft & UbiSoft has given that power to our CM's. They say what goes & what doesn't. All we do is try to enforce their rules.

I remember last year our CM only wanted IL-2 & related topics to be discussed in the GD. So threads started disappearing & you guys were not liking it. And I think BC was taking the brunt of this GD communities' anger & all he was doing was what was the job he agreed to do when he accepted a position as a moderator. Well, I believe one of us went to bat for you guys & spoke to the CM & threads stopped disappearing.

I shared that with you all to show you & say this. We are the middle men between you guys (our communities members) & the CM. We do represent the CM & UbiSoft and do their bidding, but we always have you guys interest at heart. Let's let the past be the past and from here on out if you happen to see a thread missing, or locked, just know that we had reason to do so. And there is nothing wrong with inviting all the mods to a PM and asking what was so wrong about it. There is no need to do this publically, besides, you'll come closer to getting an answer through using the PM than you would asking publically.

As far as bashing other nationalities? I have run into a couple threads that this was happening in over the past year or so. But I could tell it was being done from both sides & no one was taking it seriously. It was more like having fun & poking at one another. So I let it go. I don't believe I will be letting it go any longer though.

You guys have been given allot of leeway whether you realize it or not. The mods here that have been doing the majority of policing have put their necks out on the line allowing you all to be able to be the m8s you are. How you are asking? By allowing some borderline discussion topics to go uninterupted. And many discussions to continue that actually went a bit over the line.

So keep this in mind the next time you are involved in a thread & are fixing to make a post that you know will put the mods in an uncomfortable position. I am sure you can confer the same meaning in that post by using\choosing your words a little more carefully.

Let's work together here guys. Yes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your just dodging questions

So many OT threads, and yet mine which was unpolitical and not religious was deleted.

If you expect us to abide by rules and not bring political agendas into the forums, then you the MODS should not either. Even if this isn't a democracy, in failing to listen to the people of the forums your damaging the community.

Your DELETION of a thread without explanation, whilst allowing others to continue can be construed as a political agenda. Did you lock it because Alan Johnston's a Palestinian sympathizer? Had you just locked the thread with an explanation, things would have been less fishy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have no idea about any thread of yours that was either moved or deleted. I really could care less. The fact that it no longer exists tell me all I need to know about it.

And I have stated where I stand on OT threads. I have no issues with OT threads. But there are members of this community that do have issues with OT threads & would rather not see them posted in this forum. They have just as much right to advocate against OT threads as you do to advocate for OT threads. But allot of these members no longer frequent this forum because of OT threads.

Speaking only for myself I have never discussed or made a comment or post in any thread concerning political agendas or anything political for that matter. For that matter you will hardly ever see me post in any thread in the General Discussion forum. If I do it is to thank the participants for an interesting read. My job is to moderate, not participate. That is how I choose to moderate. But people are different. Too each their own with my full support.

If & when I lock, move, or delete any thread I owe no one an explanation. Now I bet that just gets your gord eh?.

And yes, I expect us all to abide by the rules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bull****!

And know what? The thread was perfectly fine. I can post the contents here if you want.

-HH-Quazi
07-06-2007, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
This isn't a fishing thread Bearcat. This is an attempt to bring some measure of democracy to these forums, and find out what the majority really want from the forums.

I was actually genuinely hacked off that my thread, which wasn't even worthy of a lock was deleted.

I mean I think its great that I can bash COMMIES or the BRITISH on here, and have the thread run in to the dozens of pages. But man, If I post something celebrating the release of a Journalist who's a Palestinian sympathizer, quick DELETE it!!!! However, I did not mention he was a Palestinian sympathizer, so there was NO politics or religion in the thread WHATSOEVER .

I like to think it highlights the integrity of some of the characters on here. I believe this is the biggest misconception, not only for these forums but for any forum(s). There is no such thing as a democracy when it comes to forums. And I think you all know this. Now there's nothing wrong with finding out what the majority would like to have, but if the owner of the forum don't agree then it doesn't make a hill of beans what the majority wants. And sometimes I think you guys feel that the buck stops with the mods. Well, it doesn't. It stops with UbiSoft & UbiSoft has given that power to our CM's. They say what goes & what doesn't. All we do is try to enforce their rules.

I remember last year our CM only wanted IL-2 & related topics to be discussed in the GD. So threads started disappearing & you guys were not liking it. And I think BC was taking the brunt of this GD communities' anger & all he was doing was what was the job he agreed to do when he accepted a position as a moderator. Well, I believe one of us went to bat for you guys & spoke to the CM & threads stopped disappearing.

I shared that with you all to show you & say this. We are the middle men between you guys (our communities members) & the CM. We do represent the CM & UbiSoft and do their bidding, but we always have you guys interest at heart. Let's let the past be the past and from here on out if you happen to see a thread missing, or locked, just know that we had reason to do so. And there is nothing wrong with inviting all the mods to a PM and asking what was so wrong about it. There is no need to do this publically, besides, you'll come closer to getting an answer through using the PM than you would asking publically.

As far as bashing other nationalities? I have run into a couple threads that this was happening in over the past year or so. But I could tell it was being done from both sides & no one was taking it seriously. It was more like having fun & poking at one another. So I let it go. I don't believe I will be letting it go any longer though.

You guys have been given allot of leeway whether you realize it or not. The mods here that have been doing the majority of policing have put their necks out on the line allowing you all to be able to be the m8s you are. How you are asking? By allowing some borderline discussion topics to go uninterupted. And many discussions to continue that actually went a bit over the line.

So keep this in mind the next time you are involved in a thread & are fixing to make a post that you know will put the mods in an uncomfortable position. I am sure you can confer the same meaning in that post by using\choosing your words a little more carefully.

Let's work together here guys. Yes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your just dodging questions

So many OT threads, and yet mine which was unpolitical and not religious was deleted.

If you expect us to abide by rules and not bring political agendas into the forums, then you the MODS should not either. Even if this isn't a democracy, in failing to listen to the people of the forums your damaging the community.

Your DELETION of a thread without explanation, whilst allowing others to continue can be construed as a political agenda. Did you lock it because Alan Johnston's a Palestinian sympathizer? Had you just locked the thread with an explanation, things would have been less fishy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have no idea about any thread of yours that was either moved or deleted. I really could care less. The fact that it no longer exists tell me all I need to know about it.

And I have stated where I stand on OT threads. I have no issues with OT threads. But there are members of this community that do have issues with OT threads & would rather not see them posted in this forum. They have just as much right to advocate against OT threads as you do to advocate for OT threads. But allot of these members no longer frequent this forum because of OT threads.

Speaking only for myself I have never discussed or made a comment or post in any thread concerning political agendas or anything political for that matter. For that matter you will hardly ever see me post in any thread in the General Discussion forum. If I do it is to thank the participants for an interesting read. My job is to moderate, not participate. That is how I choose to moderate. But people are different. Too each their own with my full support.

If & when I lock, move, or delete any thread I owe no one an explanation. Now I bet that just gets your gord eh?.

And yes, I expect us all to abide by the rules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bull****!

And know what? The thread was perfectly fine. I can post the contents here if you want. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What is BS? And I still don't know what thread you are referring too. I believe you need a timeout. Anything further from you directed towards me needs to be communicated via PM Aimail. But I am telling you. You are directing your anger towards the wrong person. But that is ok. I have broad shoulders.