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Asgeir_Strips
12-01-2004, 10:30 AM
One thing i dont understand, many people here seems to have problems landing on a carriar, (In the beginning at least). I've been doing traps on CFS2 all along until i Got PF. (Yes i have upgraded it with 3.01) Its brilliant also.
Many folks here chrashed on the deck, or crashed in the "drink" many times, the first thing i did after installing PF, was to take a carrier landing mission with the Seafire. I landed on My first attempt , a perfect three point landing with just a little tad of bounce. Same with the Wildcat.. Just very 'kin easy. (I flew with complex engine management, full realistic) The zero i had two bolters, but on the third try i made it. I find carrier takeoff and landing pretty easy on this game. (I have made at least severeal "thousand" traps in cfs2, that may have helped).

The thing i Do when i land on the carrier is to make the carrier break to the left. (To the right with japs carriers with the island superstructure on the left hand side) after the break i extend gear flaps and tailhook and adjust my power settings. When i break into "final" i break just after i reached the stern of the carrier, maybe a little bit earlier. I maintain a steady curved approach so i can see the "LSO" (I know that there are no lso, but it gives me a reference of my altitude) and right before i reach the stern of the carrier i chop the trottle and yank the stick a little back so the tailhook engages the wire as early as possible. From the las break into final approach, it takes only about 3-4 seconds before i touch the deck, not 15 seconds like in the instructional videos, where it's practically impossible to see the carrier... (In WW2 the final approach to the carrier lasted only about 5 seconds or so ) I want to upload a track, but im not really sure about how to do it. Help Anyone? and how do i convert them so i can play/let others download it in a media player/real player version?? email me at richard_hoey@hotmail.com

Chuck_Older
12-01-2004, 10:35 AM
landing on a carrier in a sim should be much easier than in real life.

For you, you have a lot of sim experience with what you need to do to get it right. The sims may be different, but the principles certainly carry over

In real life, the pilots train and train and train to get carrier landings right.

You basically have undertaken carrier landing trining in the sim world, and the pay off is that you get it right every time

I hadn't done a carrier landing in a sim for a few years (CFS2). I bolted my first Wildcat attempt, caught a 3 wire on the go-around. I haven't crashed a Wildcat yet on a carrier landing

I've had the F4U drop out of my hands a time or two, though

cueceleches
12-01-2004, 10:50 AM
I´ve always heard that carrier landings (specially at night) are the most dangerous and difficult job in the world...

Asgeir_Strips
12-01-2004, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Chuck_Older


landing on a carrier in a sim should be much easier than in real life.

For you, you have a lot of sim experience with what you need to do to get it right. The sims may be different, but the principles certainly carry over

In real life, the pilots train and train and train to get carrier landings right.

You basically have undertaken carrier landing trining in the sim world, and the pay off is that you get it right every time

I hadn't done a carrier landing in a sim for a few years (CFS2). I bolted my first Wildcat attempt, caught a 3 wire on the go-around. I haven't crashed a Wildcat yet on a carrier landing

I've had the F4U drop out of my hands a time or two, though <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, i must state that im a total n00b on the il2 series. I just started playing it after the summer vacation (august) i bought it in june but i thought it was to "weird" (FB and AEP) because i was spoiled on CFS3. But now i realize how crappy CFS3 is in comparison! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif I hadn't adjusted to the more advanced flight Model made by the maestro Oleg Maddox (CFS3 is a coaster now) But im a total n00b at landings on firm land still. Im bouncin all over the place and dipping the wing, (Especially the P40) but i'm practicing. I've just learned the complex engine management thing, so i feel kinda proud http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But i guess that im just used to carrier landings from CFS2 , I Practiced almost every day until i got PF (Yesterday, I played it, and you should have seen the big grin on my face, absolutely brilliant game, allthough there were bugs, but i dont care really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) Today or tommorrow im going to try to land the corsair and hellcat, the hellcat is easy, i hope, but the corsair could be more challenging... So now i have made successfull landings on a Illustrious carrier, lexington class carrier, akagi class carrier and the casablanca class cve (i think) gotta luv the game! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LilHorse
12-01-2004, 11:21 AM
I've actually been pretty successful with carrier landings as well. I've only dropped one into the drink so far. But again, it's certainly easy in a sim.

The craziest carrier story I've ever read involves Gunther Rall when he was a NATO general. There was one of these cross service good will visits going on (Rall flying for the Bundes LW) and he and some other officers were visiting aboard a U.S. carrier in the Med. in the early 70s. Basically, one of the U.S. Navy commanders asked Rall if he wanted to take a Phantom up for a flight. So, Rall says: "Sure". So they launch him! No problems. He flys around a while and then, of course, comes the hard part; putting it down on the deck. Unbelievably, he traps on the first try!

I know that he had experiance flying F-84s, F-86s and F-104s. I'm not sure how much time, if any, he had in a F-4. Incredible piloting skills.

Asgeir_Strips
12-01-2004, 11:44 AM
Do anybody of you know of a virtual squadron that operates from europe? Let me rephrase it, do you know of a squadron playing PF that the majority of members is from europe? Easier for me to join because i live in norway, not so huge time difference...

Or is it possible for me to join a squadron that "comes" from america?

Thanks for your help!

Ps. I,ve now made 10 traps and takeoffs with the corsair without problems in a row. I think im ready to try the campaign now. (Practiced a lot on carrier ops so i dont screw up on the campaign and online)

IAF_Phantom
12-01-2004, 01:31 PM
I think RCAF.com was looking for ppl. check their site and server

RAF_Hollywood
12-01-2004, 01:38 PM
Asgeir, the RAF662 is worldwide squad. Check us out at RAF662 (http://www.raf662.com)

Also, we do many carrier operations which include (dogfight mode) that has stationary carriers that are much harder to land on than the (co-op mode) moving carriers. We also try "hookless" planes to sharpen our skills like in the pic below. Stop by the RAF662.


http://www.wildwilly.com/images/remote/p51_lexington.jpg

Asgeir_Strips
12-01-2004, 01:46 PM
Thanks RAF_Hollywood allthough my name isn't Asgeir really, its just a joke between me and a buddy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif My Real name is Richard, much more "universal" haha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've been thinking of joining a squadron though, but i will practice a little bit mor offline first, navigation and complex engine management over long flights online where u cant "fast forward" the time...

swingman
12-01-2004, 02:09 PM
The only plane that's somewhat difficult to land on a carrier is the Corsair. Well... it was before the patch. Now it's easy. I think the landings are pretty much dumbed down, since realistic landings would make far far far too few buyers happy.
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/Bjorn.

RocketDog
12-01-2004, 02:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by swingman:
Now it's easy. I think the landings are pretty much dumbed down, since realistic landings would make far far far too few buyers happy.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Remember, many players will have more hours "flying" in IL-2/PF than real-life pilots had when they were flying for real from cariers in WWII.

More difficult does not necesarily mean more realistic!

Regards,

RocketDog.

Asgeir_Strips
12-01-2004, 03:21 PM
i've yet to try a night trap.
but how do you config, so that you can use antoher plane than the standard for a specified mission? (talking about the takeoff and landing missions from either nationality)
do i have to make a mission with the FMB or is it possible with the QMB also?