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totalspoon
05-19-2006, 01:42 AM
In the lead up to the battle of britain, Miles and Boulton-Paul both offered the RAF, single seat 'Emergency' figher versions of aircraft they were already producing. The Miles M.20 (derived from the Miles Master Advanced Trainer) and the Boulton Paul P94 (derived from the Defiant)

The RAF decided (correctly) to fight with the tried designs it already had and did not put them in production but noted that should the Spitfire or Hurricane production facilties be heavily damaged, it would take almost nothing to begin producing these new types though pilot training would be a problem.

The RAF never had a problem with lack of planes (just pilots) but it always had the option if did. Could we Please have this option too. If the Luftwaffee had seriously slowed the English aircraft production, the RAF would probably have producted 'emergency' fighters to fill the wholes. Give us the chance to do this or just take the BOB in a different direction for the British and see how it goes...

totalspoon
05-19-2006, 01:42 AM
In the lead up to the battle of britain, Miles and Boulton-Paul both offered the RAF, single seat 'Emergency' figher versions of aircraft they were already producing. The Miles M.20 (derived from the Miles Master Advanced Trainer) and the Boulton Paul P94 (derived from the Defiant)

The RAF decided (correctly) to fight with the tried designs it already had and did not put them in production but noted that should the Spitfire or Hurricane production facilties be heavily damaged, it would take almost nothing to begin producing these new types though pilot training would be a problem.

The RAF never had a problem with lack of planes (just pilots) but it always had the option if did. Could we Please have this option too. If the Luftwaffee had seriously slowed the English aircraft production, the RAF would probably have producted 'emergency' fighters to fill the wholes. Give us the chance to do this or just take the BOB in a different direction for the British and see how it goes...

AWL_Spinner
05-19-2006, 02:09 AM
Learn something new every day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

(although having said that I only managed to locate the Miles M.20 (http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/M20.html) on Google. Got any pics of the P94?

totalspoon
05-19-2006, 07:35 AM
I've got two photo's of the P94 on my PC. How do I post them...
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/miles%20m20.jpg

Miles M20

totalspoon
05-19-2006, 07:39 AM
http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/ca/f6/08_2.JPG

Boulton Paul P94 Fighter

Details:

Manufacturers: Boulton Paul Aircraft Ltd., Wolverhampton

Purpose: Single seat fighter

Origin & Development: was intended as a stop gap if low producton of the Spitfire and Hurricane ocurred.

Power Plant: One Rolls Royce Merlin XX. Maximum power, 1145 H.P. at 3000 rpm at 16,250 ft. Cruising Power, 990 H.P. at 2600 rpm at 12,000 ft.

Construction: Wings - all metal, with flush riveted stressed skin covering. Split trailing edge flaps. Fuselage - All metal monocoque with flush riveted stressed skin covering. Tail Unit - Framework all metal with stressed skin covering. Undercarriage - inward retracting oleo-pneumatic sprung type.

Dimensions: Span 39 ft. 6 in. Length 35 ft. Height 12 ft. Wing area 250 sq. ft.

Armament: Twelve .303 Browning machine guns, six per wing.

History: With fighter production seen to be critically low in the near future Boulton Paul proposed a single seat version of the Defiant, with forward firing guns, as a stop gap addition to the Hurricane and Spitire. The prototype Defiant K8310, now a MKII, was re-converted to it's original single seat layout. By 16th August 1940 flight tests had indicated that a Merlin XX powered version with twelve 0.303" guns would have a top speed of 364 mph at 23,500 ft.

This version was given the project number P94 and more radically armed alternatives were envisaged. One proposal saw it armed with four 0.303" guns and four 20mm canons, the latter being able to aimed downward by 17 degrees whilst in flight to aid ground straffing.

The P94 shared many components with the P82 Defiant and could have been assembled on the same production lines. However in the end production of the Hurricane and Spitfire was always able to keep up with the losses and there was no need for the P94 or indeed the Miles M20.

Troll2k
05-19-2006, 08:31 AM
So you want a fantasy scenario like the 4.07 addon.

totalspoon
05-19-2006, 08:45 AM
I see your point, but if your going to have the abilitiy to decide how the caimpaign goes (Rowan's BOB style) as well as just fly the missions, then we should have all the options available.

The Germans stuffed it up but you'll get all the options so you can do it right and win. The British did it right and won, but please give us some options to do it wrong and loose - or at least make it different.

Total Spoon

by the way
Ta183's over dover would look nice....lol

totalspoon
05-19-2006, 08:54 AM
Anyway...

It couldn't be any more fantasy than getting shot down in your spitty by a flock of these...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1820/su26m93qi.jpg

Destroyer110
05-19-2006, 11:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by totalspoon:
In the lead up to the battle of britain, Miles and Boulton-Paul both offered the RAF, single seat 'Emergency' figher versions of aircraft they were already producing. The Miles M.20 (derived from the Miles Master Advanced Trainer) and the Boulton Paul P94 (derived from the Defiant)

The RAF decided (correctly) to fight with the tried designs it already had and did not put them in production but noted that should the Spitfire or Hurricane production facilties be heavily damaged, it would take almost nothing to begin producing these new types though pilot training would be a problem.

The RAF never had a problem with lack of planes (just pilots) but it always had the option if did. Could we Please have this option too. If the Luftwaffee had seriously slowed the English aircraft production, the RAF would probably have producted 'emergency' fighters to fill the wholes. Give us the chance to do this or just take the BOB in a different direction for the British and see how it goes... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Excellent point, and add to those the German what-ifs

(1) He-177 Grief bomber with 4 engines (imagine a sky full of these flying over britain) instead of the He111.
(2) Dornier P59 instead of the Bf110.
(3) Heinkel fighter etc etc

What-ifs would greatly enhance SOW, I believe.