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Extreme_One
11-27-2004, 04:16 AM
What other game have you ever played which enables you such intimate contact with the developer?

Oleg does listen to his fan-base. (that's you and me)

This has been shown time and time again.

Some people though, seem to think otherwise.

How can he possibly please all of the people all of the time?

With such strong opinions held by some and entirely opposing opinions held by others how can anyone justify the level of whining that's been heard recently.

I think it stinks!!!

No wonder this place is known as "the Zoo" in other places.

We should be grateful that Oleg and his team haven't given up on us yet.

Sure they're in business - out to make money - but do you think that these guys are quaffing Champagne and eating caviar?

I doubt it - they do this more for the love than the money - and I'm afraid that epople are going to turn this love into something bitter.

Then where would that leave us?

SeaFireLIV
11-27-2004, 04:44 AM
Well I hope Oleg and the crew do at least have some form of alcohol. I very rarely drink Vodka, but after yesterday i think I`d be having a few! Get drunk Oleg - er... but don`t get in trouble with the wife! I Hope the children are well.

By the way, Extreme, it seems like Oleg has finally had AI going blind in clouds! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Extreme_One
11-27-2004, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
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By the way, Extreme, it seems like Oleg has finally had AI going blind in clouds! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah! I just read Bear's post and nearly whooped out loud. Then I remembered I'm in the public library - stopped myself just in time! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Racing home now to test... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Da_Godfatha
11-27-2004, 05:20 AM
Why must there be every few days a post like this?
The "Oleg is a God" post really gets on my nerves.

He is a outstanding programmer with THE best Flight Sim around. Buying his product so he can make more money-more games is, IMHO respect enough.

Chill out a bit Extreme One!!!!

JorBR
11-27-2004, 05:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well I hope Oleg and the crew do at least have some form of alcohol. I very rarely drink Vodka, but after yesterday i think I`d be having a few! Get drunk Oleg - er... but don`t get in trouble with the wife! I Hope the children are well.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bad SeaFire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif , bad SeaFire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif . New fathers should help with the children on weekends! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Nubarus
11-27-2004, 05:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
Why must there be every few days a post like this?
The "Oleg is a God" post really gets on my nerves.

He is a outstanding programmer with THE best Flight Sim around. Buying his product so he can make more money-more games is, IMHO respect enough.

Chill out a bit Extreme One!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I read his post a few times now and nowhere did I see anything that refered to Oleg as a God.

He just poined out the lack is respect for other human beings that people show here by their comments towards Oleg.

Any other normal sane person would have walked away and started to make games that are more mainstream and make big bucks instead of loosing money AND listen to crappy (not to mention ungreatful) comments from several members of this community.

Seems to me that you completely missed the point of Extreme's post.

JorBR
11-27-2004, 05:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
Why must there be every few days a post like this?
The "Oleg is a God" post really gets on my nerves.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spare your nerves, it´s easy, don´t go to the thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Da_Godfatha
11-27-2004, 05:49 AM
Maybe the "God" part is a little overdone. But it seems any deviation from party line is not allowed. The people who really do show no respect, i.e. personnel attacks or insults are usually taken out with extreme prejudice by the Mods.
And I did not miss his view. This forum is known as a "zoo" because not of the whiners, but because of the fore mentioned "Oleg is a God" syndrome.

None of us can say why Mr. Maddox got into the buisness of making flight sims. Money IS one reason. You cannot feed your family on the love of games. So I think it is a little disrespectfull to tell any one what is going on in his thoughts.

I for one am glad he DOES listen to us. The flight sim world would be a little sadder without his effort and time.

Again, this is just my honest opinion, no disrespect was intened to Extreme One or anyone who has read my comments.

Nubarus
11-27-2004, 06:07 AM
Oleg said himself several times already that it doesn't even cover his expenses so far and that the future of BoB is still unsure because of that.

CHDT
11-27-2004, 06:57 AM
Perhaps, there's a middle way between the compulsive whiners and the drama queens? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tsisqua
11-27-2004, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By the way, Extreme, it seems like Oleg has finally had AI going blind in clouds! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh . . . you aren't kidding? I never even thought to check this out, and I haven't been in a cloudy battle since the other day. I'm excited!!!!

Where's Berry's post?

Wheeeee!
Tsisqua

SeaFireLIV
11-27-2004, 07:13 AM
Da_Godfatha, I understand your point, but the present rash of `praising oleg` posts is in stark reaction to the new patch post that Oleg maddox started yesterday. Oleg was giving a message that the new patch would soon be out that day and instead of thankyous, he was subjected to a shameful tirade (which imho Oleg should have immediately ignored and not tried to reason with). He`s a good man, but too good sometimes.

It was obvious he was getting angry at these 2 jerks and perhaps, dangerously, associating their views with most of our views. Probably not, but he might be.

The reactions of Oleg supporters was simply to tell him that we still think his sim`s good and we did not go along with the two insultant whiners. I`ve seen absolutely NEW FACES with 1ST posts join in to encourage Oleg because of the shameful scene. Even posters who are quite critical of Oleg voiced their support of him.

I myself have whined at Oleg several times too (believe it or not), but never in this manner.

Perhaps now you may understand.

SeaFireLIV
11-27-2004, 07:21 AM
I haven`t had a chance to run the patch yet, Tsisqua. But Bearcat seems pretty sure about it. I`ll test tomorrow evening and find out about AI and clouds.

tsisqua
11-27-2004, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I haven`t had a chance to run the patch yet, Tsisqua. But Bearcat seems pretty sure about it. I`ll test tomorrow evening and find out about AI and clouds. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG . . . if this works anywhere near well . . . Jeez . . . What an I doing here? Time for a quickie . . . er, mission. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks
Tsisqua

IV_JG51_Razor
11-27-2004, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
Why must there be every few days a post like this?
The "Oleg is a God" post really gets on my nerves.

He is a outstanding programmer with THE best Flight Sim around. Buying his product so he can make more money-more games is, IMHO respect enough.

Chill out a bit Extreme One!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First let me say, I understand what you're saying godfatha, and this post of mine is not to bash you. I would just like to point out that Extreme_One, and several others in this forum, who have posted some of these "Oleg is God" threads are not saying that you can't, or shouldn't complain about Oleg's product. They are just saying that there is a right way, and a wrong way to go about it, and they're sick and friggin tired of seeing too many folks go about it the wrong way! So am I. If people would just stop and think about what they are typing, and how it might be recieved, or how it might make another person feel, before they hit "Post Now", maybe this forum wouldn't be such a "zoo".

The anonymity of the internet is like a mask people put on, which allows some to act in ways that they never would in person. If Oleg were in a room with all of us, it would be interesting to see how much differently most of us would act while trying to convince him that he should make this FM change, or adjust that cockpit view. I do realize that there are some among us who just have no manners, or respect for anyone, and would probably be as rude to his face as they are over the internet. There's no getting around them, but for the rest of us, I just wish some of you would please proof read your posts before sending them, and think about what you're saying, and how you're saying it.

NTESLA
11-27-2004, 07:40 AM
Imagine going to your bank account and finding out that almost 70~80% of your invested money is gone, would I be pissed? ...wait, it does not stop there! Get this, then you get the bank teller whinning about how your money didn't help them make better investments! ...will you be pissed off? Will I want to continue to put my investments into a bank like that? Come on gentlemen, this is a game and we just pay a small price for entertainment. Do you all do this for movies? Music? alcohol? Women? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A.K.Davis
11-27-2004, 11:09 AM
People have as much right to irrationally praise as they do to irrationally criticize. The difference is that one hurts no one, while the other is purely destructive.

Extreme_One
11-28-2004, 03:26 AM
As others have stated on my behalf nowhere did I say "Oleg is a God" (Da_Godfatha
admitted as much so hat's off to him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) and nowhere did I say that you shouldn't criticise.

What I did say was "Show some respect!"

I have read some stuff recently which if said face to face would have warranted a punch on the nose!

There is a right way to communicate and a wrong way - I'm just advocating the right way and condemming the wrong way.

Oh and I would beg to differ about the reason that this place has become known as "the Zoo" - it certainly isn't because of any "Oleg is God" syndrome - quite the opposite.

OK?

NorrisMcWhirter
11-28-2004, 07:41 AM
Hi,

This is a discussion forum for the game - plain and simple. That means that people can say that they like the game...or dislike the game. They can also offer words of thanks..or words of criticsm, preferably constructive.

No one should be personally insulting Oleg but I think people are within their rights to be critical (not insulting) of some of the business decisions that have been made - most of which appear to have been out of Oleg's hands.

I'm not sure I believe that 1C do it just for fun (I can't imagine UBI have 'break even only' developers in their portfolio, either) but I'm sure they don't have an open chequebook from UBI/yachts moored at Monte Carlo either.

What Oleg has achieved is immense; he's created and, more importantly, sustained the finest WW2 prop sim about and he's beaten the might of Microsoft when they had an established product...just consider that achievement because it is not to be sniffed at.

So, you're right, Oleg deserves (and has) respect but someone needs to sort out the customer-facing side of things because it is increasingly causing problems.

Cheer,
Norris

tsisqua
11-28-2004, 08:50 AM
Now, Norris, that is a good post.

I have to wonder sometimes: This is an international forum, albeit the primary language here is English. Many times people are misunderstood because of cultural differences, or because what they are trying to say doesn't translate well. Still, an insulting post will incite feelings from people, no matter what language it is in.

I have had sensible disagreements with people here, and never did it denigrate into name-calling or insults. If it ever did come to that, I would simply quit posting. ORR is for the developer to receive feedback from customers for future improvement of the game, not a place to batter the creator of a fine piece of software.
Tsisqua

Bearcat99
11-28-2004, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
Maybe the "God" part is a little overdone. But it seems any deviation from party line is not allowed. The people who really do show no respect, i.e. personnel attacks or insults are usually taken out with extreme prejudice by the Mods.
And I did not miss his view. This forum is known as a "zoo" because not of the whiners, but because of the fore mentioned "Oleg is a God" syndrome.

None of us can say why Mr. Maddox got into the buisness of making flight sims. Money IS one reason. You cannot feed your family on the love of games. So I think it is a little disrespectfull to tell any one what is going on in his thoughts.

I for one am glad he DOES listen to us. The flight sim world would be a little sadder without his effort and time.

Again, this is just my honest opinion, no disrespect was intened to Extreme One or anyone who has read my comments. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It isnt a matter of "fanboys" or "Oleg worshippers" with me. Of course the man is fallible... but you must admit... where would we be if he had said After FB2.04 We will be stopping work on PF and concentrating solely on BoB and other products? Some of the members here are just plain rude and it isnt necessary.

Capt._Tenneal
11-28-2004, 06:27 PM
WHAT !? You mean Oleg isn't God ?

Then who have I been praying to and lighting candles for these past 3 years ? Now you tell me he's not God. Sheesh... makes one want to become an Atheist ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

HerrGraf
11-28-2004, 07:10 PM
"It is not what you say, but how you say it"
If one has a problem with something here, than one should be polite and respectfull about how they phrase their views.
I can outswear anyone on these forums after the formal training I received courtesy of the U.S.M.C. (of that you can be sure), but I have never used one foul word in any post I have submitted. B.F.D. I know, but one does not have to show the mentality of slug to make your point (in any language).



Take off your mental blinders and see the whole picture.

stef51
11-29-2004, 02:37 PM
I think I like your suggestion Razor... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Get those people in a plane to the main office where Oleg and company works and let them scream at him for being incompetent. At the same time, they could check the line codes on the computer screens and, well offer their expertise.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Personally, I saw some computer codes once and I'm amazed that we can have that kind of game right now.

I was 'friend' with a programmer once in a forum a lonf time ago and I asked him how well his life was. His reply: "If the game sells well, it's decent. If not, I eat tuna for months..." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Stephen