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lbhskier37
08-07-2004, 08:07 PM
Today I was sitting around with my girlfriend when she casually mentioned that she saw on the news that a B17 was going to be in town. Now I about crapped my pants wondering why the heck she didn't tell me this sooner(turns out she didnt want to go see it so she neglected to mention it to me). Anyways I took off down to the Waukesha county airport to check it out. I got there and to my surprise there were two B17s sitting next to the runway! Fuddy Duddy a B17G and Memphis Belle a B17F were on display for the weekend. I was pretty bummed that I didnt have a camera, but it was cool anyways. There were some former crewmembers from Wisconsin onhand answering questions and telling stories. As one former pilot was telling us of flak damage and bringing in damaged planes I heard a deep throaty rumble which was my first experience hearing a Merlin! As we were talking a P51 and T33 flew low over the field showing off some rolls before they landed. It was awesome, I didn't realize but that P51 and T33 are based at the Waukesha airport, I had no idea there were planes like that less than ten miles from where I live. If any of you guys are in southern wisconsin stop by there from 2-6pm tomorrow!

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lbhskier37
08-07-2004, 08:07 PM
Today I was sitting around with my girlfriend when she casually mentioned that she saw on the news that a B17 was going to be in town. Now I about crapped my pants wondering why the heck she didn't tell me this sooner(turns out she didnt want to go see it so she neglected to mention it to me). Anyways I took off down to the Waukesha county airport to check it out. I got there and to my surprise there were two B17s sitting next to the runway! Fuddy Duddy a B17G and Memphis Belle a B17F were on display for the weekend. I was pretty bummed that I didnt have a camera, but it was cool anyways. There were some former crewmembers from Wisconsin onhand answering questions and telling stories. As one former pilot was telling us of flak damage and bringing in damaged planes I heard a deep throaty rumble which was my first experience hearing a Merlin! As we were talking a P51 and T33 flew low over the field showing off some rolls before they landed. It was awesome, I didn't realize but that P51 and T33 are based at the Waukesha airport, I had no idea there were planes like that less than ten miles from where I live. If any of you guys are in southern wisconsin stop by there from 2-6pm tomorrow!

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Future-
08-07-2004, 08:58 PM
Did you just say "Memphis Belle" ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I thought they are still working on her, as she was completely disassembled earlier this year for restoration.

I wasn't able to find much, but according to information on the website of the "Memphis Belle Memorial Association" the Belle was still being worked on at least around July 23rd (and still far from being in one piece).

So I wonder if the "Memphis Belle" that currently can be seen near your home is actually the real deal, or maybe "just" some other B-17 F that has been repainted.

Though it's great to hear that there are not only one, but 2 (!) B-17s to be seen, I think if it ain't the real Belle they shouldn't mess with the name.
The Memphis Belle is one of the few (more or less) both glorious and tragic legends that happen to be still in existance today.

Maybe you can check if it's the real Belle or not.

S!

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Owlsphone
08-07-2004, 09:03 PM
Well I hope you learned your lesson. Always carry a camera around just in case... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It sounded cool. Glad you got to see all that.

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lbhskier37
08-07-2004, 10:26 PM
I didn't get a chance to talk to the guys by the F model so I'm not sure if its the real deal. I think I am going to stop again tomorrow so I will try to ask, and this time I will have a camera, hopefully the mustang is out again. The pilot I talked to was talking about a little field north of Milwaukee that has a Spit and other old planes, I didn't get specifics on what all they had. Maybe if its really my lucky day the spit would show up in waukesha. I'd also like to relay what I thought was a pretty cool story he told. During one mission they encounted some flak that must have gotten a good bead on them. They ended up on two good engines and two without superchargers and no hydraulics on the way home. He said when they would come in to land he would always have the bombardier sit back in the radio room. He hadn't told the crew of the extent of the damage which apparently also included a leaking brake line. Coming in to land he had to manually crank down the landing gear, and on the trip home did a little fix on the brake line with some gum and tape. As he touched down he started braking, the fix lasted a little bit, but then one brake let loose swinging the aircraft in that direction off the runway, but luckily it was the direction of the good engines. So he gunned the engines to swing it back around straight. After fighting back and forth he finally came to a stop where the bombardier came out complaining of the **** landing job he had done, not knowing they didn't have brakes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He also talked about a person he knew who survived the firebombing of Dresden and told her stories. He talked about having to dive for cover during buzzbomb raids and how scary the V2s were, no warning just silence followed by a massive explosion. He said he did his tour in 44 and was glad he wasnt there in 42 and 43. I then commented that he must have had fighter cover most of the time in 44 but surprisingly he said there were many times the fighters wouldnt show up where they were supposed to meet, or sometimes there werent enough cover fighters. He mentioned one particular mission he heard about where a small group of 70ish bombers were supposed to break off the main group faking that they had lost their way to lure the german fighter force into a trap. Well the american fighters never showed up to complete the trap and the german fighters ended up destroying many planes, the lower group of 12 he said were all destroyed. I could have sat there all day and listen to his stories, and it was great that he was very open and eager to tell everything.

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woofiedog
08-07-2004, 11:01 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifGreat posting... did you get any Pictures?
Thank's

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LW_lcarp
08-07-2004, 11:36 PM
I work in Oconomowoc and heard the rumbleing of some rsdisl engines looked outside and seen one of the 17s flying overhead didnt know they were going to be staying over the weekend looks like I might be in Waukesua tomorrow

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Future-
08-08-2004, 10:35 AM
Good hunting to both of you, I hope you bring more stories and some pictures with you today.

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LW_lcarp
08-08-2004, 05:16 PM
Well was sitting at my sisters today when one of the B-17s flew around the festival that was going on here today got some of its flight on the cam corder so now i have to get it on a disk and ill post it when i get it done

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GT182
08-08-2004, 06:15 PM
Another thing to carry is a small tape recorder to save any stories you hear. But, get permission from the story teller first. Get their name and any info on rank, aircraft Squardons, time in service, where they were and so on. You'll help save a little piece of history that might go unrecorded otherwise.

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lbhskier37
08-08-2004, 09:03 PM
I unfortunatly didnt get over there again today, but this morning I was waiting on and overpass which happens to be right in line with the end of the runway when I saw a huge shadow cross the road and felt an intense rumble of Fuddy Duddy taking off. It was pretty cool having it right over your head like that, I can't imagine what seeing thousands would be like.

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Future-
08-08-2004, 09:36 PM
Hundreds would be more accurate... I recently watched a documentary about the bombing raids against Hamburg. If I remember correctly, both the RAF (at night, with Lancasters) and the USAAF (daytime, with B-17s) attacked the city for 10 days straight.

One of the surviving citizens reported that there was one very distinct thing that told you to run for cover: the SOUND of the incoming bombers. He described it as some kind of endless symphony, played by the massive engines of hundreds of Fortresses.
When he looked up, the sky was literarely filled with bombers, a giant stream.


To put this in short: before you saw them, you heard them. Big time.

S!

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mortoma
08-08-2004, 10:41 PM
I wonder if one of those B-17s was at the Mt. Comfort Airshow I went to last Sunday?? Might be since Indiana is not far from Wisconsin. I saw tons of neat planes at Mt. Comfort airport!!! The AF Thunderbirds were there too.

WTE_Galway
08-09-2004, 01:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
Hundreds would be more accurate... I recently watched a documentary about the bombing raids against Hamburg. If I remember correctly, both the RAF (at night, with Lancasters) and the USAAF (daytime, with B-17s) attacked the city for 10 days straight.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Do not forget the famous "1000 plane raids".

The first 1000-plane raid against Cologne on May 30, 1942 required teh RAf to pull students out of bomber training programs and fly every aircraft, even damaged and obsolete ones, but managed to get 1158 aircraft into the air.

Future-
08-09-2004, 10:30 AM
I stand corrected http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

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SaintViper01
08-09-2004, 01:09 PM
Both of those B-17's were at EAA last weekend.

AA_Trouble4u
08-16-2004, 08:09 PM
The F is not the real Belle, She is stuck being a static display in Memphis. But the one that you'll see fly is the one they used to make the movie. She is the only flying F version I was told. I have pictures of here from a show she was at here in Mich, last year or the year before. I'd have to look for them.

Earlier this month at the Thunder over Michigan show we had 2 G models, the Yankee Lady (which lives here) and "Thunder Bird" not sure where this one comes from but both are pristine restorations. heres some pics:

http://www.arcticangels.org/trouble/MichT/B17g1.jpg

http://www.arcticangels.org/trouble/MichT/B17g3.jpg

http://www.arcticangels.org/trouble/MichT/B17g5.jpg

PBNA-Boosher
08-16-2004, 08:11 PM
COOL! I've always wanted to fly while standing in the waist gunner's position or top turret!

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UB6MEB9
08-17-2004, 12:12 AM
Went through this on sunday and then watched her fly around some with a tempest and a p51 and a few other WW2 planes.. was a good time.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/UB6MEB9/airshow/100_1229.jpg

This is the view you would have Boosher.. other than the people walking around ofcourse. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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tfu_iain1
08-18-2004, 02:30 AM
cool, did they fly that f model across the atlantic for the film? at flying legends i saw sally B (another b-17 with Belle markings, on one side only) and the Pink Lady from France, which were the other two used in the movie.. at the end of the day pink lady just took off and popped home to france. wouldnt feel so sure about doing that in a sixty year old plane if i had to go trans-continental.

Petey78
08-18-2004, 04:33 AM
I may be wrong here but one of my colleagues, an engineer who has worked on many of the Imperial War Museum warbirds at Duxford and who was present for the filming of the Memphis Belle movie at the former RAF base at Binbrook, Lincolnshire has just told me that the aircraft that was used to represent the Belle was 'Sally B'. The aircraft that is based at Duxford here in the UK... I can only imagine that the 'F' model in SE Wisconsin is displaying the 'Belle' colours because of the famous story. After the movie, everybody knew about the Memphis Belle!

Arm_slinger
08-18-2004, 07:20 AM
The French B17 Pink Lady is an F series, so theres at least two flying then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sally B is our B17 (English) and is a G series. She had the chin turret removed for filming and had "Memphis Belle" painted on her port side where it still remains today. A lot of the aviation fans here in Blihghty want Sally B as she should be and not a copy of the Belle

Bear with me and i'll put a couple of pics up for you all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Arm_slinger
08-18-2004, 07:46 AM
Here we go, pics from Duxford http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif enjoy

Sally B:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/DSC00524.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/IMG_2427.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/DSC00525.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/IMG_2435.jpg

Pink Lady:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/056.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/IMG_2438.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/IMG_2443.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/IMG_2444.jpg

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