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GoToAway
09-24-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm working on a research proposal pertaining to the Buffalo. I'm still hashing out the details, but the idea so far deals with its vastly different performance histories among the countries that used it.

While I have a pretty decent aviation library, my university's library has thus far not been much help (I'll probably hit up the local air museum in the coming weeks as well.)

What I am looking for (simple names will suffice--I don't require links or anything, just a starting point):

-Any sort of journal dealing with the subject (Brewster in general or the Buffalo on any front.) I have a few really tenuous leads on this front, but I'm having difficulty tracking down anything about the Buffalo in a journal.

-AARs. If they're actually published somewhere (as an excerpt in a book, for example,) that'd make things easier on me, but I'll take any that I can get. I'm not even sure where to find British, Dutch, or Finnish reports.

-Any books dealing with the Buffalo in British or Dutch service. Preferably in English. I have plenty of sources for accounts of Finnish and US service, but very little on the others, particularly Dutch.

-Any memoirs dealing with the Buffalo. I don't care about the nationality. Also preferably in English.

And finally:
Does anybody know where I can procure a copy of Juutilainen's Double Fighter Knight for a reasonable amount of money? I've run across it a few times, but it's generally in the $60 - $100+ range for a used copy. While I'd like to have a copy (and it would be useful for this project,) I'm not sure I want to shell out that much. I pay enough for textbooks as it is. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I realize that this is a pretty strange request and that I'd probably have much better luck asking about something like the Spitfire, but thanks for any info just the same.

GoToAway
09-24-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm working on a research proposal pertaining to the Buffalo. I'm still hashing out the details, but the idea so far deals with its vastly different performance histories among the countries that used it.

While I have a pretty decent aviation library, my university's library has thus far not been much help (I'll probably hit up the local air museum in the coming weeks as well.)

What I am looking for (simple names will suffice--I don't require links or anything, just a starting point):

-Any sort of journal dealing with the subject (Brewster in general or the Buffalo on any front.) I have a few really tenuous leads on this front, but I'm having difficulty tracking down anything about the Buffalo in a journal.

-AARs. If they're actually published somewhere (as an excerpt in a book, for example,) that'd make things easier on me, but I'll take any that I can get. I'm not even sure where to find British, Dutch, or Finnish reports.

-Any books dealing with the Buffalo in British or Dutch service. Preferably in English. I have plenty of sources for accounts of Finnish and US service, but very little on the others, particularly Dutch.

-Any memoirs dealing with the Buffalo. I don't care about the nationality. Also preferably in English.

And finally:
Does anybody know where I can procure a copy of Juutilainen's Double Fighter Knight for a reasonable amount of money? I've run across it a few times, but it's generally in the $60 - $100+ range for a used copy. While I'd like to have a copy (and it would be useful for this project,) I'm not sure I want to shell out that much. I pay enough for textbooks as it is. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I realize that this is a pretty strange request and that I'd probably have much better luck asking about something like the Spitfire, but thanks for any info just the same.

JG53Frankyboy
09-24-2009, 05:05 PM
i guess you know this already
http://www.warbirdforum.com/buff.htm

just to be sure.

WTE_Galway
09-24-2009, 05:54 PM
Get yourself onto this forum:
http://warbirdsforum.yuku.com/...rewster-Buffalo.html (http://warbirdsforum.yuku.com/forums/64/t/Brewster-Buffalo.html)



some other stuff ....



List of Buffaloes in RAAF Service

http://www.adf-serials.com/2a51.shtml

Buffaloes in Singapore ...

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...s_3_21/ai_n27497206/ (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NXL/is_3_21/ai_n27497206/)

and a book

http://www.historicaviation.co..._vk1qvqmbHPn?ID=7099 (http://www.historicaviation.com/product_info.po%3bjsessionid=d9S-_LA7ww-z_vk1qvqmbHPn?ID=7099)



You can purchase a genuine RAAF/RAF Brewster Buffalo I Aircraft Flight Manual ---

http://cgi.ebay.com/RAAF%2FRAF...TL090915143005r18241 (http://cgi.ebay.com/RAAF%2FRAF-Brewster-Buffalo-I-Aircraft-Flight-Manual_W0QQitemZ110434766139QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ2 0090915?IMSfp=TL090915143005r18241)

GerritJ9
09-24-2009, 06:02 PM
There is a Squadron Signal publication, "F2A Buffalo in action", by Jim Maas, which contains info on all Buff variants including the Dutch B-339C/D and the 339-23 (often named B-439 in error).
"Buffaloes over Singapore" by Brian Cull and Mark Haselden. Deals mainly with the Commonwealth Buffs over Malaya/Singapore, though it does contain some info about the NEI Brewsters.
"Le Brewster Buffalo" by Jean-Louis Couston, excellent book with lots of photos, line drawings and colour schemes. Unfortunately in French which will be a major drawback for many, though photos and drawings have captions in English as well as French.
Profile Publications No. 217 The Brewster Buffalo. Dated, contains numerous inaccuracies; serious Buff fans will only want this to complete their literature collection.
There is also a Kagero book about the Buffalo, in Polish and English; has some very good line drawings, nice pics, colour schemes to be used with caution.

There are several Dutch publications that deal with the NEI including the Brewsters, but unfortunately they have not been published in English-
"Van Glenn Martins en Mustangs" by Hugo Hooftman. Long out of print (1967), dated.
"De Luchtstrijd rond Borneo" by P.C. Boer, deals with the aerial defence by the ML and (to a lesser extent) MLD of British and Dutch Borneo, including the role of Brewsters.
"De Luchtstrijd om IndiŽ" by P.C. Boer, companion volume to above, deals with the aerial defence of the rest of the NEI, as well as ML activity over Malaya and Singapore. "Borneo" and "IndiŽ" are also out of print and fairly hard to find second-hand.
"Het verlies van Java" by P.C. Boer. Published in 2006, should still be available; deals in depth with the aerial defence of West Java, including the role played by the Brewsters.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-24-2009, 06:12 PM
Look here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Brewster+Buffalo)

Treetop64
09-24-2009, 06:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Look here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Brewster+Buffalo) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! I have a feeling that's going to be used a lot more around here.

GoToAway
09-24-2009, 07:10 PM
Excellent suggestions. A lot of jumping off points. Thanks a lot.

I may have to pick up that manual. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Look here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Brewster+Buffalo) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I wouldn't have made this topic if I could simply Google the information I am looking for. This is academic research. Hence the reason I am looking for things like journals, military documents, and published memoirs instead of wikipedia entries.

Additionally, I've already extensively employed Google. Not for webpages, but to mine bibliographies. I've already found a few things by Maas (as Gerrit mentioned above) that way, though I haven't yet managed to get my hands on any of the actual publications.

Waldo.Pepper
09-24-2009, 07:57 PM
Check your PM. You will not be sorry.

WTE_Galway
09-24-2009, 08:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GoToAway:


I may have to pick up that manual. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


They have 10 copies but I would not leave it too long. They are in Melbourne Australia but it says they ship world wide.

If you do buy a copy maybe scan a few of the more interesting pages and throw it up on the forums here.

Waldo.Pepper
09-24-2009, 08:20 PM
If you want the manual, today, for free -- then -- check your PM.

Heliopause
09-25-2009, 08:59 AM
Remember these? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
brewster thread I (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5151057805/p/1)

brewster thread II (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1861093505?r=9831047505#9831047505)

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-26-2009, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Look here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Brewster+Buffalo) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! I have a feeling that's going to be used a lot more around here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, lol. I been dieing to use it. Although I feel kind of bad now because the OP really was looking for assistance. So sorry bout that...just a joke. I hope you find what you are looking for btw.

There will be plenty of times I can use that link where the poster deserves it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

S!

horseback
09-26-2009, 10:50 AM
Might want to try here as well:

http://www.amazon.com/BLOODY-S...ccount/dp/0948817674 (http://www.amazon.com/BLOODY-SHAMBLES-TWO-Complete-Account/dp/0948817674)

Christopher Shores' Bloody Shambles covers a great deal of the area you are looking for information on.

You might also want to check out some of the history of the Eagle Squadrons--their original intended mount was the Buffalo (and they were less than thrilled with the idea of going on the Channel Front with it).

Arco published a series of books back in the 70s called WW2 Fact Files by Green & Swanborough; their US Navy and Marine Corps Fighters volume has a section on every prototype and operational fighter built and used during the war, including about 10 pages on the Buffalo, mostly technical, but with a brief synopsis about its various users.

Check out Barrett Tillman's The Wildcat in WWII as well. The Buffalo was the primary competition to the Wildcat, and some useful info may be found in the early chapters.

You might also want to see if you can find The First Team, about USN & Marine Corps aviators during the first 12 months of WWII. Again, there will be a few nuggets about the Buffalo, which was a first line fighter on a couple of carriers during that period.

cheers

horseback

Erkki_M
09-26-2009, 10:54 AM
There'd be literally half a hundred books(most of them very well written) about the Brewster in Finnish use, but I'm afraid they are all published in Finnish only. Osprey does have 2 books on Finnish Air Force during Continuation war in English though.

These:

http://www.amazon.com/Lentolai...id=1253983974&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Lentolaivue-24-Osprey-Aviation-Elite/dp/1841762628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253983974&sr=8-1)

http://www.amazon.com/Finnish-...X/ref=pd_sim_b_1_img (http://www.amazon.com/Finnish-Aces-World-Osprey-Aircraft/dp/185532783X/ref=pd_sim_b_1_img)

EDIT:

seems Eino Luukkanen also has a book translated into English:

http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-...496208/ref=sid_dp_dp (http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-over-Finland-Memoirs-Pilot/dp/0809496208/ref=sid_dp_dp)

major_setback
09-28-2009, 02:32 PM
There are a couple of free manuals for download here - not sure if they're what you want (registration is free it seems):

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/for...ms-tech/index11.html (http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/index11.html)

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/for...ems-tech/index9.html (http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/index9.html)



major_setback/restranger

GoToAway
09-29-2009, 09:41 AM
Sorry for abandoning the thread for a few days--I've been pretty sick.

Thanks for the info. Will go over it today.