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Doug_Thompson
02-14-2006, 01:01 PM
Who said fantasy planes aren't fun?

The Dornier likes to hang on it's props, as we know. So you can have a pretty steep climb going and still have very nice control.

It's a lot of fun to line up in front and below a bomber, then put a stream of cannon fire into it's nose and cockpit with no significant collision risk. I don't recall seeing B-24s melt this fast before. Other planes do this, but the 335 does it very well.

Doug_Thompson
02-14-2006, 01:01 PM
Who said fantasy planes aren't fun?

The Dornier likes to hang on it's props, as we know. So you can have a pretty steep climb going and still have very nice control.

It's a lot of fun to line up in front and below a bomber, then put a stream of cannon fire into it's nose and cockpit with no significant collision risk. I don't recall seeing B-24s melt this fast before. Other planes do this, but the 335 does it very well.

JSG72
02-14-2006, 02:11 PM
Twin 103s on the 335b MMMmmm... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Would be My ultimate Flyer!

jamesdietz
02-14-2006, 02:19 PM
Wunderbar!

james_ander
02-14-2006, 02:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
Who said fantasy planes aren't fun?

The Dornier likes to hang on it's props, as we know. So you can have a pretty steep climb going and still have very nice control.

It's a lot of fun to line up in front and below a bomber, then put a stream of cannon fire into it's nose and cockpit with no significant collision risk. I don't recall seeing B-24s melt this fast before. Other planes do this, but the 335 does it very well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You really like this plane, don't you?

Doug_Thompson
02-14-2006, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by james_ander:
You really like this plane, don't you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Irrationally so, yes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hawgdog
02-14-2006, 02:47 PM
The D'oh is the best new plane in some time!

james_ander
02-14-2006, 05:50 PM
I like it too. I think the new aircraft add a lot to the sim. I made a mission quite awhile back with a formation of about 30 Ju-88's. Of course, I always flew the red side. One of the first things I did when I got the patch was to open this mission and select player on a Ju-88 seomwhere in the middle of the formation. It was great.

p1ngu666
02-14-2006, 06:00 PM
i still think its a better jabo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

what was the spec on the bomber destroyer version(s) ?

Doug_Thompson
02-14-2006, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i still think its a better jabo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW, I didn't know until last night that you release the small bombs two at a time, allowing you to make eight [correction: four] attacks in a row. Nice against soft targets and AA guns.


I think the bomber destroyer version had two more 20 mm, one in each wing.

Heh heh. I wonder if you could hit a B-24 with one of those bombs? You'd get eight tries.
It didn't work so well in real life, but I wonder if the AI would pick up on it and dodge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Chuck_Older
02-14-2006, 06:09 PM
the Big Bopper?!?! he died in an air...oh, bombers

I don't right atall tonight...and I like it

beebopalula, she's my babbbyyyyyyyy

Doug_Thompson
02-14-2006, 06:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
the Big Bopper?!?! he died in an air...oh, bombers

I don't right atall tonight...and I like it

beebopalula, she's my babbbyyyyyyyy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, the day the music died.

CUJO_1970
02-14-2006, 06:13 PM
The Do-335 is a machine that absolutely will annihilate any bomber in the sim, do it in a single pass, and do it so fast even the uber AI gunners cannot rotate their turrets fast enough to track you.

It ranks behind the Me-262 and with the FW190A-9w/twin MK-108s as the premiere bomber annihilator in the sim.

I love killing bombers.

p1ngu666
02-14-2006, 06:24 PM
shame (for the germans anyways) they never found out about the RAF trial of antibomber mines.

a curtain of mines on wires with parachutes etc, against a formation they would have been deadly, either they crash into wires, drag up the mine and go bang, or the break up for the fighters to attack.

wayno7777
02-14-2006, 08:06 PM
It doesn't take damage well, though....

jarink
02-14-2006, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
shame (for the germans anyways) they never found out about the RAF trial of antibomber mines.

a curtain of mines on wires with parachutes etc, against a formation they would have been deadly, either they crash into wires, drag up the mine and go bang, or the break up for the fighters to attack. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Both the British and Germans experimented with a few types of rockets that would do the same thing for airfield or ship defense against strafers/topedo planes. The Royal Navy's "PAC" (Parachute and Cable) or "Apparatus Air Defense Type L" used a 2" rocket to fire a parachute and cable about 1000ft into the air. At the end of the cable was a small mine which the parachute would drag onto the attacker's wing. A similar device, "Type J" fired to 2000ft.

Similar to what you're talking about was the British "K" rocket. A 3" rocket was fired up to 19,000 ft in the air, where it ejected it's payload. On top was a large parachute and mine with a 100' cable ending in a smaller chute. When a plane hit the wire, it released the mine from the top 'chute (it was stabilized by it's own drogue chute), dragging it into the wing. It was supposed to be fired in a barrage of 128 rockets!

One of the German AA rocket types was called "RSK 1000" and fired 21cm rockets into the air trailing steel ribbons to cut attacking planes into, well ribbons.

Of course, the Germans were well ahead of the rest of the world in developing a useful SAM. Missles like the Wasserfall, Enzian and especially the Rheintochter led directly to the Soviet SA-1 and SA-2 missles. Don't forget the X-4 AAM was in advanced stages of design when the war ended, too. Had it been fielded, it would have been deadly against Allied bombers.

Doug_Thompson
02-14-2006, 09:04 PM
Silly me. I didn't remember that the Do 335 carries two air burst (ab) bombs, and can make two seperate attacks with them.

It might be useful against a whole formation of bombers, although making a straight bombing run with a bunch of .50-cal pointed at your belly would not be fun.

How far does the ab bomb fall before going off, anyway? Might be an interesting option for ground attack.

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Re: Not taking damage well. It's engines are easy to take out. You can make it home on one engine, though -- unless you have to get away from something.

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I'd also argue that it's great climb might -- might -- make it a close match to the FW mentioned above. The Do335 doesn't take long to get into position for another pass. Of course, time isn't the only factor.

Treetop64
02-14-2006, 09:36 PM
I've never seen Doug Thompson post so many times before (and hence, seeing his signature) until the Do-335 came into the fray!

Hmmm... wonder why...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Badsight.
02-14-2006, 09:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
Silly me. I didn't remember that the Do 335 carries two air burst (ab) bombs, and can make two seperate attacks with them.

It might be useful against a whole formation of bombers, although making a straight bombing run with a bunch of .50-cal pointed at your belly would not be fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>for fun , fly & JU-88 Mistel towards a group of bombers & release

the Gunners cannot help themselves but open up on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by james_ander:

You really like this plane, don't you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>whats not to like about it , so different & such a beast !

i dare anyone to even try & claim the Bf-Z or Do-335 as being anything But super fun!

FlatSpinMan
02-14-2006, 09:44 PM
Re: Pingu's post - what an appallingly unpleasant idea. I'm sure it would work. Glad it wasn't used by either side.
Interesting to read about though.

StG2_Schlachter
02-15-2006, 02:44 AM
btw

AB does not mean Airburst
but
Abwurfbeh藕子ter

HotelBushranger
02-15-2006, 02:58 AM
In the BoB, British parachute cables took out a few aircraft. A rocket, with cable attached was fired up to 100m or so, and parachute deploys, staying up for a long time to take out low lying aircraft. When aircraft hit them, the cable would usually hit the wing, and the parachute would cause such a rapid descent on that side that the aircraft would stall. I'm not sure on exact numbers, but 109's and 111's were destroyed by them.

JG52Karaya-X
02-15-2006, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
shame (for the germans anyways) they never found out about the RAF trial of antibomber mines.

a curtain of mines on wires with parachutes etc, against a formation they would have been deadly, either they crash into wires, drag up the mine and go bang, or the break up for the fighters to attack. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go out and by Heinz Knoke's book "I flew for the F羹hrer" - it has a long chapter covering his personal initiative to attack bombers by dropping bombs on them. Together with his closest friend Dieter Gerhard he calculated the necessary speed and alt relative to the bomber formation. It says they had a bomb delay of about 20secs and the bombs would explode right in the box of bombers. On his first sortie he killed a bomber (the bomb scored a direct hit) and broke up the entire formation - this success was so unbelievable that at night Knoke was rang up by Reichsmarschall G藕鈔ing himself who congratulated him on his feat and he was demanded to send a full report to the Erprobunsstelle at Rechlin. On the next day he got a terrible reprimand by General Kammhuber who was raging about Knoke acting on his own initiative.

Btw, they continued to bomb the box formations for quite some time and in one sortie one of Knoke's wingmen killed 3 bombers with a single bomb!

Doug_Thompson
02-15-2006, 07:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
btw

AB does not mean Airburst
but
Abwurfbeh藕子ter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, but what does Abwurfbeh藕子ter mean?

Krizz1972
02-15-2006, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
btw

AB does not mean Airburst
but
Abwurfbeh藕子ter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, but what does Abwurfbeh藕子ter mean? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a cointainer filled with smaller bombs/mines which opens over the ground. They were used against "soft targets" and vehicles etc. In game there are many different Abwurfbeh藕子ter.

AB 23,AB24T,AB36/BSK36,AB70-1,AB70-3,AB70D-1,AB250-1,-2,-3 AB250Kz Boden,AB500-1,AB500-1B,AB500-3a,AB1000-2,ABB500,BDC10,BSB360,BSB700,BSB1000,
Streubrand C500

Doug_Thompson
02-15-2006, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Krizz1972:

It's a cointainer filled with smaller bombs/mines which opens over the ground. They were used against "soft targets" and vehicles etc. In game there are many different Abwurfbeh藕子ter.

AB 23,AB24T,AB36/BSK36,AB70-1,AB70-3,AB70D-1,AB250-1,-2,-3 AB250Kz Boden,AB500-1,AB500-1B,AB500-3a,AB1000-2,ABB500,BDC10,BSB360,BSB700,BSB1000,
Streubrand C500 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kuhl.

Surely there's a site that gives drop heights/ times before these bombs burst?

Jetbuff
02-15-2006, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by james_ander:
You really like this plane, don't you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Irrationally so, yes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The funny bit is that I only just now got your sig. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
02-15-2006, 08:51 AM
i think they use bomb delay, *ish*

the system i spoke if was dropped from a old bomber, but in effect the same, a curtain of steel.

btw it was thought that the aircraft would hit the wire, then the shock would open up a larger chute and then that would haul the mine up, and that hits the plane and bang...

only 1 aircraft was downed, as it was used at night, so there wasnt a massed formation.

pretty hard to use, just found the thing it was in, so ill picture it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
02-15-2006, 09:35 AM
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jamesdietz
02-15-2006, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
Who said fantasy planes aren't fun?

The Dornier likes to hang on it's props, as we know. So you can have a pretty steep climb going and still have very nice control.

It's a lot of fun to line up in front and below a bomber, then put a stream of cannon fire into it's nose and cockpit with no significant collision risk. I don't recall seeing B-24s melt this fast before. Other planes do this, but the 335 does it very well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok Doug have set up this mission a number of times ( I do like the Do-335) but those AI belly gunners in the B-24sare still pretty dead-eye as I climb up to try to blow em outta the sky...almost always have a smoking engine after a passiing climb....

Doug_Thompson
02-15-2006, 09:56 AM
jamesdietz;

My fault, because I was over-dramatic, using the word "steep" and all. Try timing it so you're just beneath his cockpit level and going fast when you start firing. The nose gunner's still there, but I haven't had much problem with him.

Shot down a B-29 last night, although I had to circle around and finish it off in a second pass. The damage the 30mm does is incredible, even in a fast head-on pass. There was a huge hole just behind the cockpit, where you could see inside the crew area.

I've started practicing by using the 30 mm only and leaving the throttle wide open. I also changed the target to a late-model Betty with half-fuel. Yeah, the Betty's a pinata, but it's fast. You either hit it right away or you don't hit at at all.

The most fun I've had yet, though was vaporizing two boosted Spitfire IX's in one pass through a formation of four, firing with all the guns. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Then there was the Hellcat that tried to get away with a zoom climb. The Do'h hung on its props and let me aim. I think it was the first time I've seen a "Grumman Ironworks" plane lose a whole wing from one hit.

jamesdietz
02-15-2006, 10:14 AM
Will do or at least try...Stern climbing pursuit still a recipe for disaster....

Doug_Thompson
02-15-2006, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jetbuff:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by james_ander:
You really like this plane, don't you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Irrationally so, yes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The funny bit is that I only just now got your sig. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, it's nice to be a fanboy again about something. It's been a while.

I'm not patient. Therefore, I like the Do335 even more than I thought I would because it's fast 瞁" not just in speed, but in all three dimensions. It climbs. It dives. It even turns acceptably well.

Betty bombers kept hammering me because climbing first, then catching up with them is torture. That 20 mm tail gunner was my special nemesis. The bomber would go down, but I'd glide back in a dead P-40 with oil all over my windscreen.

Now I can climb high and still catch any bomber. If it isn't dead after the first pass, it's likely smoking with daylight showing through the holes. And even if my engine is dead and oil's all over my windscreen, I just switch the motor off and fly home on the one's that's left.

Atzebrueck
02-15-2006, 04:06 PM
In my opinion AB250 shouldn't stand for "Abwurfbeh藕子ter" but for "Antibomber" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Doug_Thompson
02-15-2006, 07:26 PM
Very nice sequence, Atzebrueck. Good shot, too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif