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Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 03:56 PM
I'm looking for details of Typhoons lost on 22/2/1944. Pilot's names if possible. Specifically looking for anyone who went down with Sqn.Ldr Geoff Warnes, in order to identify the mysterious 'Clot' from another thread.

Thanks in advance.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 03:56 PM
I'm looking for details of Typhoons lost on 22/2/1944. Pilot's names if possible. Specifically looking for anyone who went down with Sqn.Ldr Geoff Warnes, in order to identify the mysterious 'Clot' from another thread.

Thanks in advance.

VW-IceFire
12-20-2005, 04:06 PM
Mmmm don't know that one. Got some more background information?

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Mmmm don't know that one. Got some more background information? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes you do... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Read this: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2501019783

To get up to speed... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

We just need to know any Typhie's lost on the 22/02/43 flown by 263 Squadron and the pilots names... Please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 05:39 PM
Anyone...

ImpStarDuece
12-20-2005, 06:36 PM
I can't help, but I know a book that might be able to.

John Foreman's excellent "Fighter Command War Diaries, Volume IV" covers every victory claim and loss in the RAf from June 1943 to June 1944.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 06:39 PM
Thank U very much http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ImpStarDuece
12-20-2005, 06:51 PM
Just looked up my 1943 annotaded list of RAF and USAAF claims and casulaties. Tony Wood's excellent web site has it for download if your interested.

There were no RAF operations between the 20th and 23rd of February, 1943.

There were just 4 operational Typhoon losses in February 1943;

7/2/43

F/O P.J. Nankivell, KIA, 11 Group, Typhoon Ib , R8838 PR-N, Cat. E, Flak, Standen-Dixmuide

14/2/43

F/Sgt A Haddon, KIA, 11 Group, 609 Squn, Typhoon Ib, R7872 PR-5, Lost to JG2, Straits of Dover
Sgt. J.G. Wiseman, KIA,II Group, 609 Sqn, Typhoon Ib, DN294 PR-0, Lost to JG2, Straits of Dover

19/2/43

F/Lt P.S.C. Lovelace, KIA, 12 Group, 181 Sqn, Typhoon Ib R8880, Flak, Dutch Coast.

ImpStarDuece
12-20-2005, 06:52 PM
Whoops, ignore my last post, just realised you wanted 1943, not 1944. D'Oh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

danjama
12-20-2005, 06:58 PM
Erm 1943, not 1943? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

ImpStarDuece
12-20-2005, 07:00 PM
Ok, just check my LuftWaffe claims lists. They aren't COMPLETELY comprehensive, but they are fairly accurate.

There were no Typhoon claims by LW fighters for Feburary 22, 1944. The closest I can find is two claims for Spitfires by JG 77 and two claims for Kittyhawks by JG 4. Unless the Kittyhawks were mis-identified Typhoon losses are going to be to either Flak or operational causes (usually engine failure but sometimes pilot error).

Alex_Voicu
12-21-2005, 01:24 AM
I think it's probably a good idea to post this question on the Hawker Tempest forums. Here's the link : http://hawkertempest.se/phpBB2/

Chris Thomas is the author of a few books about the history of the Hawker Typhoon and Tempest and usually answers these questions.

luftluuver
12-21-2005, 01:50 AM
The Typhoon and Tempest Story, Thomas/Shores

263 Sqd - JR302 - FO R.B. Tuff - died
bailed out 8mi NW of Guernsey

263 Sqd - JR304 - FO R.C. Hunter - died
last seen 8mi NW of Guernsey

263 Sqd - MN249 - SL G.B. Warnes - died
ditched 8mi NW of Guernsey, cause not known

cygfrain
12-21-2005, 02:56 AM
Ref "RAF Fighter Command Losses WW2 Vol 3" page 21 ISBN 1-85780-093-1 (2000)



22.02.1944

Typhoon 1b MN249 263 Sqn S/Ldr G B Warnes DSO DFC. Ditched 8 miles off Guernsey


Typhoon 1b jR302 263 Sqn F/O R B Tough. Bailed to Help C/O 8 miles off Guernsey

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-21-2005, 05:08 AM
Thanks very much, chaps. Looks like we can put a name to 'the clot' -
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2501019783
- even if Penrose got his planes mixed up. Much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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berg417448
12-21-2005, 08:26 AM
I just looked it up...the incident I referred to earlier (in the other thread) in Johhnie Johnson's book was about Warnes and Tuff. Chapter 12 in WING LEADER.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-21-2005, 03:39 PM
My thanks for all that posted here and found time to look up the relevant material. It€s nice to be able to put a name to that 19-year-old, who put his life on the line in order to save his Squadron Leader€¦

A quotation is brought to mind from the pen of another fellow airman (P/O V.A. ROSEWARNE 1916-1940) In his last letter to his mother, published in The Times 18 June 1940 and inscribed on the portrait of the €˜Young Airman€ by Frank Salisbury in the R.A.F. Museum, Hendon.

F/O R B TOUGH€¦

The universe is so vast and so ageless that the life of one man can only be justified by the measure of his sacrifice.