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frag_bravo
01-30-2004, 08:57 PM
Anyone read this,can anyone tell me what they thought of it?

frag_bravo
01-30-2004, 08:57 PM
Anyone read this,can anyone tell me what they thought of it?

georgeo76
01-30-2004, 09:05 PM
it's a treasure chest of tactical and logistical info. Full of info about the entire VVS effort from the Kuban to Berlin. However be warned, it's really a research text and pretty dry reading. Don't get me wrong, it's got plenty of cool war stories, just know that it's a translation and is not as exciting as some other WWII memoir's.


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chris455
01-31-2004, 12:29 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to politely disagree.
It really is a generic, understandably bias account of Soviet air operations during the Great Patriotic War. It has value, but only if you read with your BS detector activated. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
There is much in those pages that cannot be described elsewise.(favorite example: VVS pilot XYZ and his wingmen, thei ammo exhausted, make a "psychological attack" against a large formation of Stukas. The Germans, of course, jettison their bombs and run for home without a shot being fired! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) Had it not been written largely during the Stalin era, it may have turned out a little more candid and less propagandistic. But it does lend insight into the Soviet perspective of the air war. I in no way wish to impugn any of the brave Soviet airmen who fought in the war or are mentioned in the book, mind you. I am simply saying that as so often happens, truth is the first casualty of war.

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michapma
01-31-2004, 02:43 AM
I'm in the second chapter. It's interesting reading. It will of course give you much deeper insight into the historical aspect of the air conflict and how the battles were fought than a game can. It's correct that it's more a documentation than a memoir; it appeals more to my curiosity than my sense of adventure. It is written from the Soviet point of view, but don't let that bother you, just keep it in mind. Were it written as objectively as possible it would be much drier than it is, I like it better when somebody just represents their view. I also like seeing adjectives like "glorious" sprinkled in. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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FW190fan
01-31-2004, 05:27 AM
I'll have to agree with chris455 all the way on this.

Halfway through the book I got to the point to where if I read the freaking terms Pokryshkins "Eagle Strike" and Pokryshkins "Formula of Terror" one more damn time I was going to go beat my head against the wall.

And never was an Airacobra outflown and bested in aerial combat. It was always simply a mistake by the Russian pilot, or he happened to "fly into the Messerschmitt's bullet stream."

There is some good info if you are interested in the logistics side of the P-39 deployment and there is a good schematic of a Russian airfield layout with defenses.

But overall I would have to give this book a big http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Fornixx
01-31-2004, 06:20 AM
I'm halfway through the book and I must say I have to agree with both the camps here.

In one way it's an almost unique insight into the Ger-Sov airwar. A bit dry and scientific in some places, very dramatic and emotional in other places (ex Vadim (The Beard) Fadeev's death) but very informative.

On the other hand it seems a bit too biased in places. It doesn't seem possible that in fight after fight the Germans lost scores of fighters without any Soviet losses. Unless the author has chosen only to depict the successful encounters (which isn't too scientific) this has to be put into context.
On the other hand, one could argue, this book focuses on the very top aces in the entire VVS and thus were very far from the average fighter pilot on either side.

S!

SkyChimp
01-31-2004, 07:09 AM
I agree with Chris as well. It is decidedly biased, but interesting nonetheless.

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F19_Ob
01-31-2004, 07:37 AM
Probably most aerial combat descriptions are somewhat biased.

With that in mind still a lot of info can be gained.

Another interresting book for u might be the finnish ace Ilmari Juttilanens book " double fighter knight" (in english)
There are acounts of 109 fights against p39 , spitfire,mig3, hurricane,yak1 and yak9,Lagg3, La5 and he also got one of the two p38's sent there.

SkyChimp
01-31-2004, 08:02 AM
Juttilanen made some odd claims, among them claims for P-51s IIRC. But the Claim for a P-38 is even odder. AFAIK only one example of the P-38 was flown by the Soviets, and that as an example that crash landed during a shuttle mission, was left behind by the USAAF, and repaired by the Soviets.

At any rate, "Attack..." is not just a case of biased descriptions of aerial angagements. The whole of the book is like that. It's full of bravado (ie... We made eagle dives on the fascists).

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