PDA

View Full Version : P-51 or P-47



GregGal
10-24-2007, 01:29 AM
I prefer the Jug, even if its specs are worse than the Mustang's. It feels better for me. And also, the Mustang is a bit too much worshiped IMHO. What do you think?
What tactics do you use with the plane you picked?

Low_Flyer_MkIX
10-24-2007, 01:57 AM
As an aeroplane, the P-51. As a war machine, the P-47. The Jug gets my vote.

p1ngu666
10-24-2007, 02:00 AM
jug, brute force ftw

woofiedog
10-24-2007, 02:08 AM
P-47 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/PICT0075.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/PICT0076.jpg

Whirlin_merlin
10-24-2007, 02:29 AM
Having just about the worst gunnery skills of anyone to have ever played IL2 I have to go with the jug 8X.50 ftw.

I'm very into the 47 at the momment it just exudes power.

willyvic
10-24-2007, 02:30 AM
Cave Tonitrum!

Like stated, used with brute force and altitude.

WV

WOLFMondo
10-24-2007, 02:31 AM
I'll fly the P51 but the Jug was my first IL2 love, even when it was a pig.

I fly it high and fast.

TheCrux
10-24-2007, 02:51 AM
P-47. Predictable. Less vicious takeoffs, more stable progressive controls and, ironically ( given its relative bulk ) less likely to get away from you if you throw it around.

Extra 2 12.7 mm's are icing on the cake.

Bewolf
10-24-2007, 03:35 AM
Thunderbold. Not because I think its a better plane then the P51. Infact, I love the P51 for its flying characteristics. But the Thunderbold has more firepower. If you are used to cannons, machineguns are no substitude.

LEBillfish
10-24-2007, 04:17 AM
Thunderbolt....It's the do all, tough brawler that can take as much as it can dish out. In every theatre it fought it was successful....Besides, with 8 instead of a measly 6 .50cals you can flip over a Tiger tank...*nods* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif


Originally posted by Bewolf:
But the Thunderbold has more firepower. If you are used to cannons, machineguns are no substitude.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif step away from the pipe...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

R_Target
10-24-2007, 04:33 AM
For me, the Thunderbolt. Although I do like the 51 for the hysterical fear and loathing it generates around here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

HuninMunin
10-24-2007, 04:44 AM
The Jug of course.
Both in real life and in this game it just exhumes
the feeling of both power and reliability.
It's looks are great aswell.

The pony is just a little boring for me.

carguy_
10-24-2007, 04:45 AM
P47.Safer,more versatile and more rewarding.

Brain32
10-24-2007, 04:54 AM
P-51 always, it looks waaaaaaaaaaay cooler(than most WW2 planes not to mention the Jug lol) and is a better plane(fighter). Only if I apsolutely, positively have to drop some bombs then I'll take the Thunderbolt...

Whirlin_merlin
10-24-2007, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:
For me, the Thunderbolt. Although I do like the 51 for the hysterical fear and loathing it generates around here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Just to give you the flip side of that coin, I like the fact that P47 fans base their 'love' on the real plane.

KIMURA
10-24-2007, 05:03 AM
On ZvsCcat-Server I prefer the 51 if Ki-84 and J2M3/5 are around. Otherwise I like to use the Jug.

TC_Stele
10-24-2007, 05:22 AM
If I'm dead serious about fighter combat and I'm with wingmen who seriously know what they're doing and not there to make sloppy mistakes, then the Pony is my ride. If speed and cool on the pilots are used, that plane can be damn effective.

Viper2005_
10-24-2007, 06:01 AM
P-51 all day; it's a fundamentally more advanced aerodynamic concept, and speed is life.

DKoor
10-24-2007, 07:08 AM
Both are great aircraft.
And automatically good opponents.

If I have to, I would probably choose P-51.
The speed difference is what sobers me.

Worf101
10-24-2007, 07:20 AM
I'm a groundpounder by trade. If I can't get a P-38 I'll take a Jug. I'm dead if I try to dogfight in either a 47 or a 51 but gimme 8 guns instead of 6.

And if I'm going against bombers, in a 47 I can get 2 or three before my engine's a smoking wreck. P-51 has a glass chin, breathe on it and it's leaking like a seive. The P-47 has a mug of granite take two to give one and live to tell the tale.

Da Worfster

crucislancer
10-24-2007, 07:34 AM
The Jug all the way. Like Worf mentioned, it can take a beating and still fly, where the Mustang will take one hit and you're on your way down. the Jug is powerful, great survivability, and fast.

FPSOLKOR
10-24-2007, 07:34 AM
None of the given to choose from...
FW 190 or: http://www.airforce.ru/photogallery/gallery9/mig-31/index.htm

Airmail109
10-24-2007, 07:41 AM
Mustang MkIII all the way

han freak solo
10-24-2007, 07:43 AM
Thunderbolt. I've always liked, and always will. Compared to the P-51, the P-47 has that underdog quality that I like so much. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Diablo310th
10-24-2007, 07:44 AM
2 Jugs winging together at 25,000 ft are almost unbeatable. I'll take the Jug anyday.

han freak solo
10-24-2007, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
But the Thunderbold has more firepower. If you are used to cannons, machineguns are no substitude.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif step away from the pipe...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By definition he's right.

"(military) the relative capacity for delivering fire on a target "

or

"Firepower is a military concept rooted in the ability to direct a heavy weight of metal onto an enemy or enemy possession as measured by the concept of rate of fire." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firepower

Eight .50s have the rate of fire capacity to surpass cannon equipped aircraft. Firepower is not about effectiveness, but quantity.

Although, I like the quick shoot down ability of cannons better in the game since I have a hard time staying on target.

Viper2005_
10-24-2007, 08:33 AM
Firepower = ROF*(Energy/round)

You can increase the energy delivered by making the rounds bigger, increasing the velocity with which they strike the target or by giving them an explosive payload in addition to their kinetic energy.

Ernst_Rohr
10-24-2007, 08:41 AM
I LOVE the bubbletop 47's, and I have personal stake in it, my grandfather BUILT them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That being said, I despise the Razorback 47's due to the visibility issues with them.

I like the Mustang, and dont do badly with it now, but I prefer the Jug.

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-24-2007, 08:49 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif What is it, like 20:2 in favor of the jug? My how times change.

I think most are generically looking at the bubbletops and choosing there.

Refine the poll and ask for preferences between these:

1. P-51B-vs-P-47D-10

2. P-51C -vs- P-47D-22

3. P-51D-5 or P47D-27

4. P-51D-20 -vs- P-47D late

5. Mustang III -vs- P-47D late

My choices:

1. P-51
2. P-51
3. P_47
4. P-47
5. P-47

I wouldn't choose the P-47 until I got the bubbletops. At least in this game, because the view is worse than in a FW without 6dof and the D-22 doesn't perform quite up to snuff.

VMF-214_Pappy
10-24-2007, 09:36 AM
Hands down the JUG, it does not have the weak link of water cooled engine, even though a single .50cal or similiar weapon seems to stop it cold sometimes, which is historically so untrue, they where known to fly home with half there cylinders shot out.

han freak solo
10-24-2007, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I think most are generically looking at the bubbletops and choosing there.


The bubble top loses the "underdog" quality I like. As far as old fashioned aero looks, I like the Razorback.

In the game, I definitely only like ground pounding in the Razorback.

msalama
10-24-2007, 09:44 AM
Oh, the Thunderbolt, definitely. I _SUCK_ as a Pony jock, fergadssakes!!!

crucislancer
10-24-2007, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I think most are generically looking at the bubbletops and choosing there.


The bubble top loses the "underdog" quality I like. As far as old fashioned aero looks, I like the Razorback.

In the game, I definitely only like ground pounding in the Razorback. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the bubbletop is my fav for both a2a and a2g. I don't care for the razorback much, but I had a good time with it groundpounding as well.

And, 8 .50s converging on one spot will usually tear most aircraft to pieces. Yes, nice to have cannons, but never underestimate the power of eight .50s, used correctly.

han freak solo
10-24-2007, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Firepower = ROF*(Energy/round)

You can increase the energy delivered by making the rounds bigger, increasing the velocity with which they strike the target or by giving them an explosive payload in addition to their kinetic energy.

I can't argue for or against that as I'm no expert. If that is true, I need to expand my understanding of the term. Got a link? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Viper2005_
10-24-2007, 12:56 PM
No direct link.

But since power is rate of doing work, it should be obvious by inspection that a rate on its own isn't enough because the dimensions aren't going to give you power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28physics%29

If it isn't obvious, consider a water pistol. It shoots a continuous stream of millions of water molecules, each with a tiny amount of energy.

Under your definition since the time between water molecules leaving the barrel is infinitesimal, such that the ROF is effectively infinite, the fire power would also be effectively infinite.

Meanwhile, consider a 155 mm artillery piece reloaded once per minute...

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Stew278
10-24-2007, 01:47 PM
I like the P-47 better in this game. I fly more ground attack than air to air, so the choice there seems obvious. For some reason I've never done very well in air combat using the P-51's. I think the extra guns on the Jug help compensate for my lousy aim. Also it can (usually) take a few more hits before the engine gives out.

ImMoreBetter
10-24-2007, 03:01 PM
Jug.

It's good dive speed makes it very useful for energy fighting.

Termitedelight
10-24-2007, 04:24 PM
8 - 50s.

nealn
10-24-2007, 04:47 PM
The Jug,

More fire power, takes a beating and can still get you home. Also at the risk of starting up an old overdone argument, I think the pony is porked in this game. I do fine in the Jug on or ofline but suck moose eggs in the Mustang. Just me?

Neal

Schwarz.13
10-24-2007, 05:40 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Hubert_Zemke.jpg
"Give me a lovely pair of jugs anyday!"

Cajun76
10-24-2007, 05:57 PM
I don't even have to say it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/AliciaMeyer01ab.jpg

MrMojok
10-24-2007, 06:43 PM
I have no doubt whatsoevr that if I practiced more with it, I could do better with the 47 than I do with the 51.

However, I am one of those stubborn, idiotic types who insists on sticking with sentimental favorites. And the 51 has always been a favorite for me.

So I voted that way.

BRASSTURTLE
10-24-2007, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I LOVE the bubbletop 47's, and I have personal stake in it, my grandfather BUILT them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



WHERE!!!!
Farmingdale or Evansville?

Jug all the way, for me.
I used to dislike the Razorback, but now I just love the Art Deco-ish feel to it.

JUGS JUGS JUGS!!!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/BRASSTURTLE/S7000053.jpg

han freak solo
10-24-2007, 08:37 PM
This thread definitely needs more pics.

http://www.airbum.com/photos/P-47D-30Razorback.jpg

http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/P47/P47--bw.jpg

han freak solo
10-24-2007, 09:00 PM
Blimey!

http://www.btinternet.com/~lee_mail/P47-5.jpg

BrotherVoodoo
10-25-2007, 12:16 PM
As much as I LOVE the P51 I feel much safer in a Jug going into battle. The P47 can take a litteral beating and can usually still manage to get me home in one piece.

Cajun76
10-25-2007, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
This thread definitely needs more pics.



Ya Ya!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/Launchsm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/hpim0976.jpg

and a NUDE SHOT!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/P47cutaw.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Polyperhon
10-25-2007, 03:15 PM
Even if I am a fan of water-cooled fighters (I think because I do better with them,probably my style of flying) I prefer the P-47 in any case.This was really a great plane.It's one of the few planes that really is difficult to think of a weak point.Even in climb which is not so good nominally, is not so bad either in reality because is more-or-less substained.In contrast some planes that have 2-stage superchargers and/or have low-level emphasis might be good in a particular height and bad (or very bad) in another.
In general, is a plane that makes you feel secure and safe.It's not just its bulk or its rugged airframe.You know what to expect from it when you fly it.It's doesn't turn too tight, but you feel its limits and that's always so good when you are in a dogfight.You try to turn too tight and then you FEEL that these wings are too small to keep this ...fat plane in the air.All these contribute to what is the dominant feeling:This plane never betrayes you.

Quite the opposite is the P-51.It has a speed advantage but this is mostly manifested in normal flying (not so much in hard manoeuvres) and in certain altitudes........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif...better not saying much after that point...for obvious reasons!

Clipper_51
10-25-2007, 05:41 PM
P-51 hands down. No contest.

It is faster, climbs better, zooms better, turns better, can dives almost as well and rolls almost as well at all speeds. If you know how to aim, 6 .50's are more than enough.

Hey, Jug pilots are a dedicated sort, but it's really no contest. The disparity is even worse the lower you go.

P.S. - re: durability? Don't let them get on your 6 and you're good to go. If choosing a plane is paritially based on getting hit, I proffer that you're doing something wrong.

Jaws2002
10-25-2007, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Clipper_51:
P-51 hands down. No contest.

It is faster, climbs better, zooms better, turns better, can dives almost as well and rolls almost as well at all speeds. If you know how to aim, 6 .50's are more than enough.

Hey, Jug pilots are a dedicated sort, but it's really no contest. The disparity is even worse the lower you go.

P.S. - re: durability? Don't let them get on your 6 and you're good to go. If choosing a plane is paritially based on getting hit, I proffer that you're doing something wrong.

With all that said if you throw ten jugs against ten Mustangs I'm almost sure more jugs will get home after the scrap. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

The p-47 is the better fighter in a multi planes engagement hands down. Just like the FW-190 vs BF-109.


Pony is the Hollywood dueling toy, while the Jug is the mean loooking, brute murder weapon.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
Jug FTW. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/RAE.jpg

Airmail109
10-25-2007, 07:08 PM
Down on the deck I fear F190s in a P47

In a Mustang MKIII/B/C/D I dont, I can run em all down or run away from them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and out maneuver them If I have to

chris455
10-25-2007, 07:16 PM
The Mustang was nothing more than the Jug's kid sister, who eventually became more popular because she'd "go farther". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Give me Jugs or give me DEATH. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif