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tsisqua
01-19-2004, 10:44 AM
~S~ All
Here is an unofficial list of the planes in the addon as posted by ExtremeOne. Mods, could you make this a sticky for the folks that are wanting to know, as this question needs to be answered quite often here lately.
Thanks,
Tsisqua


posted 17-01-04 08:20
Flyable
P-51B
P-51C
P-51D (K-14 gunsight)
P-63C
P-38L
P-38J
YP-80 Shooting Star
Me-163B
HE-162-A-2
Ta-152H-1
Mistel with Fw190
Bf-109Z
Ju-87D-5
Ho-229
SPB (Tb3 with two I-16 under wings)
IAR-80A
IAR-81C
Fiat G.50
K-84-1b
Ki-84-1c
A6M2

AI
Hawk 75A-3
Hawk 75A-4
Fi-103 V1 with launcher
Gladiator Mk1 and Mk II
FW200

Possible:
MC200
Gladiator flyable
Bf110G-2 flyable
Fiat CR42 flyable

S! Simon
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edit: Added by Arm_Slinger
posted 19-01-04 13:57
****** THE SPITFIRE MARK V IS IN THE ADD-ON********

sorry for the caps but its intended to answer people question about the spit as easily as possible

edit: And this from our friend, Necrobaron:
posted 19-01-04 14:07
B-25G,H,and C(or was it B?)as AI.

B-25J as possible Flyable





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[This message was edited by tsisqua on Mon January 19 2004 at 11:06 AM.]

[This message was edited by tsisqua on Mon January 19 2004 at 11:11 AM.]

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 10:44 AM
~S~ All
Here is an unofficial list of the planes in the addon as posted by ExtremeOne. Mods, could you make this a sticky for the folks that are wanting to know, as this question needs to be answered quite often here lately.
Thanks,
Tsisqua


posted 17-01-04 08:20
Flyable
P-51B
P-51C
P-51D (K-14 gunsight)
P-63C
P-38L
P-38J
YP-80 Shooting Star
Me-163B
HE-162-A-2
Ta-152H-1
Mistel with Fw190
Bf-109Z
Ju-87D-5
Ho-229
SPB (Tb3 with two I-16 under wings)
IAR-80A
IAR-81C
Fiat G.50
K-84-1b
Ki-84-1c
A6M2

AI
Hawk 75A-3
Hawk 75A-4
Fi-103 V1 with launcher
Gladiator Mk1 and Mk II
FW200

Possible:
MC200
Gladiator flyable
Bf110G-2 flyable
Fiat CR42 flyable

S! Simon
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edit: Added by Arm_Slinger
posted 19-01-04 13:57
****** THE SPITFIRE MARK V IS IN THE ADD-ON********

sorry for the caps but its intended to answer people question about the spit as easily as possible

edit: And this from our friend, Necrobaron:
posted 19-01-04 14:07
B-25G,H,and C(or was it B?)as AI.

B-25J as possible Flyable





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[This message was edited by tsisqua on Mon January 19 2004 at 11:06 AM.]

[This message was edited by tsisqua on Mon January 19 2004 at 11:11 AM.]

Rajvosa
01-19-2004, 10:47 AM
Thanks, Tsisqua! That should stop threads like, "OK, so what do we get" from appearing every day!

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JG26Red
01-19-2004, 10:54 AM
crap where is the Do335?

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Thanks, Tsisqua! That should stop threads like, "OK, so what do we get" from appearing every day!

Golf GTI Edition 2.0 16v<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rgr that. You can't really blame people for wanting to know, but it really gets hard for us all indeed, to answer this each day.

Bump

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noshens
01-19-2004, 10:57 AM
spitfire not even AI?

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 11:00 AM
Keep in mind that this was not posted as an official list, and I believe that ANYTHING is subject to change by 1C . . . Remember also that Oleg is the king of surprises.

Tsisqua

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TX-Zen
01-19-2004, 11:02 AM
I agree with tsisqua, this needs to be stickied for a while.

Really though the list could be shortened to the only plane that matters couldn't it.....no, I went to that plane's anonymous meeting, I won't say it's name.


Hehe


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NegativeGee
01-19-2004, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
spitfire not even AI?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree..... the Spitfire is conspicuous by its' abscence.

Its not even included in UBI's product description here:

http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=008888681786&category=PC

Got to admit, I'm getting a little concerned http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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noshens
01-19-2004, 11:03 AM
Oleg is king of surprises that for sure! Too bad they are not always positive for us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 11:25 AM
This was a bump. This was only a bump. If this had been an actual post, you would be reading something informative.

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Arm_slinger
01-19-2004, 11:57 AM
****** THE SPITFIRE MARK V IS IN THE ADD-ON********

sorry for the caps but its intended to answer people question about the spit as easily as possible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Spitfire Mk IX however will not be in there, but rather in the following add-on patch, this is due to some inaccuracies

Also the Galdiator as FLYABLE is a possible bonus, us is the Me110 G thingy

This is information aquired in the last couple of weeks or so, it is or may be subject to change

Hope this helps http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A/S

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 12:05 PM
Thanks, Arm_Slinger.
edit: I added it to the original post.

Bump

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necrobaron
01-19-2004, 12:07 PM
B-25G,H,and C(or was it B?)as AI.

B-25J as possible Flyable

SlickStick
01-19-2004, 12:22 PM
Oh well, I can wait a little longer for the Mk IX. I suppose the Mk XIV will probably be coming in that 2nd add-on, too.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Wow, I ask myself sometimes, as I'm totally immersed in a sortie...."Can this game get any better?!?"

And lo and behold it sure can and will, by the looks of the add-ons. And Oleg and company always throw in a fix or two or adjustments to certain planes with each patch, so who knows what little surprises await us in that add-on. Hell, or in the next free patch, either.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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trumper
01-19-2004, 12:23 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif OK I'm puzzled,where does it say anything about the Spitfire and B25,i hope so but havent seen anything in writing [OFFICIALLY] http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

necrobaron
01-19-2004, 12:30 PM
Check the Dev.Updates,Trumper....

JG7_Rall
01-19-2004, 12:31 PM
I'd trade half those planes for a spit, and I think most ppl would agree with me.

Also, what's a K14 gunsight? Sorry if that's a noob question :/

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trumper:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif OK I'm puzzled,where does it say anything about the Spitfire and B25,i hope so but havent seen anything in writing [OFFICIALLY] http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once again . . . we do not have an official list of all that will be included, only what has been said by 1C, and relayed here by members of the community. We know that the planes mentioned by Extreme in the flyable list are most certainly going to be there. The others are questionable, but the Spit Mk IV has been in the works a LONG time, and unless they are saving all the Spitfires for BoB, it will be there. This thread is only to give those with questions some answers.
Thanks,
Tsisqua

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StG77_Kondor
01-19-2004, 12:43 PM
Is it me...or is the Me110 not included in that 'unofficial' list?

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necrobaron
01-19-2004, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
I'd trade half those planes for a spit, and I think most ppl would agree with me.

Also, what's a K14 gunsight? Sorry if that's a noob question :/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The K14 was an advanced American gunsite. It made deflection shooting much easier,IIRC. Oh, the Spit is nice,but I wouldn't trade half of what we're getting for one.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 12:50 PM
With everything that is coming with this expansion, there are bound to be a few disappointments. However, I'll bet that there will enough included to make it well worth the money.

Tsisqua

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Bearcat99
01-19-2004, 01:19 PM
K-14 site is a lead computing gyro gunsight that would point you towards the rihght place to shoot.

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IV_JG51_Razor
01-19-2004, 01:38 PM
Has anybody heard/read anything about what kind, if any, bombsight the flyable B-25 will have in it? Just curious.

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p1ngu666
01-19-2004, 01:56 PM
hope we get the gladiator, that cockpit is LOVELY
love to hear a offical word on this..

Menthol_moose
01-19-2004, 02:00 PM
if or when is the corsair comming http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ?

RedDeth
01-19-2004, 02:02 PM
corsair? not gonna happen . its too good a fighter to include for the usa

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Menthol_moose
01-19-2004, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
corsair? not gonna happen . its too good a fighter to include for the usa

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats what i was thinking too ... grrrr

Korolov
01-19-2004, 02:20 PM
No, Snowpipe is just busy with the corsair right now.

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tagert
01-19-2004, 03:07 PM
Man I hope the Bf110 and B25 make it!

TAGERT

tsisqua
01-19-2004, 03:35 PM
Bump

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Future-
01-19-2004, 04:54 PM
The entire 310th/380th squad is waiting for the B-25... and I'd also like to know if there's any info on the bombsight.

Also, does anyone know the topspeed of the B-25 - both the real deal and the FB version - ?

S! and thx for the info given, more than we currently get from Ubi/1C themselves (I want a dev update)

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Copperhead310th
01-19-2004, 05:19 PM
fFrom the rumore mill there will be 2 flyable vertions of the B-25J. 1 hard nose/ 1 glass nose.

If the bomb sight is included it will most likely be a Norden. that was the standerd by the time the B-25J's hit the front lines.

http://imageshack.us/files/380th%20siggy.jpg

NTESLA
01-19-2004, 05:34 PM
...and what ever happened to my favorite, no matter if flyable or AI!!! This needs to be there :

The Avro Lancaster

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LeadSpitter_
01-19-2004, 05:41 PM
it ticks me off, just throw the damn b25 cockpit in all versions so they are all flyable whos cares if one little switch is missing that we cant use anyways, same with the condor the guy spent so much of his time for absolutely nothing oleg who cares if it doesnt look as detailed as the me262 and ki84 cockpit, look at the mig3 pit, the condor looks just as good of quality

P-51B tiny mod of p51d model edited cockpit bars
P-51C tiny mod of p51d model edited cockpit bars
P-51D (K-14 gunsight) tiny scope adjustement
P-63C tiny mod of the p39 and cockpit
P-38L completely NEW
P-38J completely NEW
YP-80 Shooting Star
Me-163B completely NEW
HE-162-A-2 cockpit added
Ta-152H-1 modded dora model basically same cockpit
Mistel with Fw190 stock 190 with vulcherdream under it
Bf-109Z twin 109 with 109 cockpit
no records of performance
Ju-87D-5 tiny mod to the stuka model
Ho-229 completely NEW
SPB (Tb3 with two I-16 under wings) more stock models
IAR-80A cockpit added
IAR-81C cockpit added
Fiat G.50 cockpit added
K-84-1b tiny adjustments
Ki-84-1c tiny adjustments
A6M2 tiny adjustments

wheres the

pby
b24
b25
ju88
me110
spitfire
tempest markv

^ all the planes i was looking forward to and the p38s that are included

I dunno sounds like a halfass job, im glad of gibbages models that are completely new but most of the other stuff is just tiny modifications of what we have already so its not like we are getting much new for something thats payware. I dont get how they can charge money for a couple polygon changes and putting in fm digits and text. We dont need any more AI what we need is the ai in game to become flyable. Now that would be something truely worth 30-50 $

And bearcat do you think the k14 site is going to work or just look like a k14 site and the revi reflection will just move like the rest which is probally the case.

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tagert
01-19-2004, 05:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
The entire 310th/380th squad is waiting for the B-25... and I'd also like to know if there's any info on the bombsight.

Also, does anyone know the topspeed of the B-25 - both the real deal and the FB version - ?

S! and thx for the info given, more than we currently get from Ubi/1C themselves (I want a dev update)

- Future

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey Future- You seem to be up on the BOMBER GOSHIP... Have you heard anything with regards to the auto-level in IL2? The problem I have with it is it locks out the joystick and rudders... Joystick is fine.. ie no bank or elevation changes... but we NEED rudder changes to line up the target while looking through the bomb sight!!!

That and the auto-level does not do a very good job of keeping the alt... I would like to see a more auto-pilot affect to the auto-level that keeps the dang bomber steady at your last alt setting and allows you to STEER the thing via rudders.

Am I missing something here? I would really enjoy buff runs more if it worked like that!!

TAGERT

VW-IceFire
01-19-2004, 06:10 PM
LeadSpitter, looks like we were hoping for the same planes. Hopefully our wishes will be fufilled shortly thereafter.

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Huxley_S
01-19-2004, 07:16 PM
As well as the new planes, missions etc is there anything else to look forward to in the expansion? any graphics tweaks, speech packs, music etc etc?

necrobaron
01-19-2004, 08:35 PM
I agree with LS to a degree. However,the differences in the B-25 pits are more than just a couple of switches. The G and H were much different than the J due to the 75mm cannon. I don't know about the C,though....

noshens
01-19-2004, 08:43 PM
for
pby
b24
b25
ju88
me110
spitfire
tempest markv

we'll have to wait for summer addon which is kinda so long away, I hope at least it's going to be free. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

jetset_
01-19-2004, 08:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And bearcat do you think the k14 site is going to work or just look like a k14 site and the revi reflection will just move like the rest which is probally the case.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this were the case we'd be able to manually select the planetype(wingspan) so the K-14 can compute the lead to target. In other words.... I doubt it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
01-20-2004, 12:12 AM
hope we get the Xanty CR~42
love to hear a offical word on this..


Ta-152H-1 modded dora same cockpit raised gunsight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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xTHRUDx
01-20-2004, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:

That and the auto-level does not do a very good job of keeping the alt... I would like to see a more auto-pilot affect to the auto-level that keeps the dang bomber steady at your last alt setting and allows you to STEER the thing via rudders.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you can still steer with the trim while the leveler is on

Menthol_moose
01-20-2004, 02:15 AM
any info on how the gunsite works ?

Xnomad
01-20-2004, 06:13 AM
Argggh too many new planes!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'm going to be so busy trying them all out I'll have no time for anything else. They should release one a month instead or I'll forget to eat!

WOLF-Mondo
01-20-2004, 06:42 AM
ok, im really confused now. I've looked at various sites and forums and it appears there are two expansions sheduled for release:

Aces of WW2 which contains planes but not the Spitfire IX or XIV but the V.WTF, 2 of the most famous planes of all time don't make the release but some planes like the P51B which was a failure makes the game? These 2 seem to come in a patch later but ubi has made no official list. Is there a list available of confirmed planes, not just rumours?

Battle over Europe: Contains missions only and NO planes.

I've seen both these in various stores for pre-order. Are they one and the same but confused or labeled differently for different location? Are they 2 seperate packs and why the hell should I buy both?

If anyone can please set me strait I'd be very appreciative.

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WOLF-Mondo
01-20-2004, 06:50 AM
sorry for double post, edit doens't seem to work in opera. Why is the ACES expansion only available in the US to buy?

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SpinSpinSugar
01-20-2004, 08:10 AM
A bump and a groan.

Ahem.

Anything post about 1943 kinda leaves me cold, especially all the fantasy 45/46 stuff, but then that's just me, I'll steer clear of those servers. I'd happily trade these aircraft en masse for another flyable multi-engine bomber, or one of the more attractive AIs like the Curtiss Hawk. And the last updates of the Bf110 and Swedish Gladiator Pits looked complete!

Nice to see things like the IARs and P51B in there, but I'll be glad when someone official confirms the Spitfire Mk V. I just hope the Mk I is coming along with the IX and later marks in the future addon(s).

Cheers,

SSS

Edit : WOLF-Mondo, they are two different products. The one with the new planes is the Aces Expansion.

Future-
01-20-2004, 08:23 AM
@ Tagert: Unfortunately, I probably don't know much more than you do right now. The developers seem to have "vanished" into a closed area to work on whatever they're up to, and noone seems to be available to answer a few questions.

On one side, this may be a good sign, might be meaning that we get our add-on on time... but since upt o date Ubi and 1C almost never managed to release something as sceduled, I'm not quite sure what I should believe in now.

In short: I don't have any new info either right now, we'll just have to wait and see.
(I'm bad at waiting)

S!

- Future

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WOLF-Mondo
01-20-2004, 08:38 AM
lol, im bad at waiting to, Im not sure ubi or 1c could manage a pissup in a brewery.

Its very confusing as the clearly have tried to launch both products then wihdrawn them or not properly sheduled there release either in the US or the EU.

It would be nice, if nothing else for the fans if they could at least come clean and set the record totally straight. Its a pain at the moment as I manage a server and am hopefully pushing for a second but I need to know definate details on either of these addons incase I need to run them on one and leave the other pure FB. What with other games coming out like BF:V, Soldner, Farcry etc the longer I wait the less chance I can use another WGN server for an Il2FB+addon server. Ubi and 1C seem to be letting themselves down over this and upsetting there fans.

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SpinSpinSugar
01-20-2004, 08:47 AM
The Battle over Europe thing you mention is not an official Ubisoft/1C release, it's a pay-for third party addon in much the same vein as the free ones you see on these forums from campaign builders.

Hence Ubi aren't deliberately confusing you, they only have one pay product upcoming and thats the Aces Expansion pack. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,

SSS

tagert
01-20-2004, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
ok, im really confused now.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed 100%

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
but some planes like the P51B which was a failure makes the game?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Failure?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
If anyone can please set me strait I'd be very appreciative.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Start off by looking up the word failure in a real dictonary... then you wont be so *confused* and then undestand that the B was hardly a failure.

TAGERT

DONB3397
01-20-2004, 10:19 AM
Darn, no surprises. Now I know what I'm getting for my birthday! Maybe the B-25J will make the cut as a flyable? If I could have that AND the Spit V I'll be a happy old man. Oh, and the Gladiator for Sunday drives in the country...and a couple of impossible naval missions. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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WOLF-Mondo
01-20-2004, 10:23 AM
It was by no means a success...my point was really that I'd rather they spent there time actually putting at least 1 spitfire in the game (there is already a P51D and now 2 more versions) that people will play on a generic dogfight server. No one will use the V (also why the V and not the VB which was muchmore popular) cause it just won't compete vs later war planes and everyone was kind of wanting the IXe which looks like it won't appear. Does Oleg have somthing against British planes or something?

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US380thBG-Tug-
01-20-2004, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>quote:
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Originally posted by tagert:

That and the auto-level does not do a very good job of keeping the alt... I would like to see a more auto-pilot affect to the auto-level that keeps the dang bomber steady at your last alt setting and allows you to STEER the thing via rudders.


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you can still steer with the trim while the leveler is on <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pardon me for answering for Future...I'm his evil twin (or is it the other way around?)anyway, he won't mind.

(1) Auto level: Adding combat flaps to auto-level will allow you to trim elevator for truly level flight. = level bombing goodness.

(2) Map rudder trim to a slider or rotary knob. You may then use it when "level stabilized" for fine course adjustment. This is also the best way to fine-tune your bomb drop in flyable bombers (w/ bombsight).

(3) 1 & 2 confirm and expand upon xThrudx's statement: steer with trim when "auto-leveled".

Probably doesn't change the fact that a better auto-level is needed, but is an acceptable work-around.

Happy Bombing!

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F19_Olli72
01-20-2004, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLF-Mondo:
No one will use the V (also why the V and not the VB which was muchmore popular) cause it just won't compete vs later war planes and everyone was kind of wanting the IXe which looks like it won't appear. Does Oleg have somthing against British planes or something?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Noone will fly Spit V??? Pfft...
Why are ppl so spoiled? Spit V is a british plane isnt it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I certainly will fly it, and i know many others will too. Just cos you only want the latest models doesnt mean others want the same as you Mondo. Just chill, and try to see the positive side of things. Oleg (and the modellers) is trying his best to satisfy both the late wizplane buffs and the early plane jocks. Not an easy task, and some ppl will never be happy. Too bad for them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Arm_slinger
01-20-2004, 11:26 AM
Do i have to say this again?

The Spit Mark V is in the patch, it will be flyable, you can fly it, you will see a cockpit on the screen, just in case some of you that are hard of reading didnt see it the first time on the first page http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The Spit Mark 9 hasn't made it as there are inaccuracies in the model or something or other, does that say anything about Oleg being against Bristish planes, can any one see that written, any one? I cant as i must be in common sence and intelligence mode today. And it was Gib who decided not to put the Mk 9 in, just so you know whats happen after reading what has already been said http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

trumper
01-20-2004, 12:00 PM
AAAAAHHHHHH,Young Slinga,just cos you can see the cockpit don't mean it will fly, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

necrobaron
01-20-2004, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLF-Mondo:
It was by no means a success...my point was really that I'd rather they spent there time actually putting at least 1 spitfire in the game (there is already a P51D and now 2 more versions) that people will play on a generic dogfight server. No one will use the V (also why the V and not the VB which was muchmore popular) cause it just won't compete vs later war planes and everyone was kind of wanting the IXe which looks like it won't appear. Does Oleg have somthing against British planes or something?

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Uh,actually the P-51B was a better dog-fighter than the P-51D. Or at least it was much better than the D at low altitude or so I've always heard. And I think we are getting the Vb......

tagert
01-20-2004, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by US380thBG-Tug- :
Pardon me for answering for Future...I'm his evil twin (or is it the other way around?)anyway, he won't mind.

(1) Auto level: Adding combat flaps to auto-level will allow you to trim elevator for truly level flight. = level bombing goodness.

(2) Map rudder trim to a slider or rotary knob. You may then use it when "level stabilized" for fine course adjustment. This is also the best way to fine-tune your bomb drop in flyable bombers (w/ bombsight).

(3) 1 & 2 confirm and expand upon xThrudx's statement: steer with trim when "auto-leveled".

Probably doesn't change the fact that a better auto-level is needed, but is an acceptable work-around.

Happy Bombing!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for the work around tips... but I hope they would just fix it so i could use my rudder.. hate to waste a slider on a work around.... I wonder if it would do any good to just play dumb and report it as a BUG? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT

vanelvis
01-20-2004, 01:30 PM
here is a link that says it will have 27 flyable and 12 AI.
http://shop.topsitenet.com/item/552/

tagert
01-20-2004, 01:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
It was by no means a success...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You know making unsuported statments is fine.. but dont expect anyone to take them to hart let alone seriosly unless you present your take on it... and WHY you think it is so... Let alone any data, info, etc that supports your statements... Dont get me wrong.. I do it all the time myself.. but when someone calls me on it I take the time to try and explain my take on it, and the data that suports it.. but re-stating an un-suported statement like "It was by no means a success..." does not make it any more true the the fist time you said it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
my point was really that I'd rather they spent there time actually putting at least 1 spitfire in the game (there is already a P51D and now 2 more versions) that people will play on a generic dogfight server. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You can make some of the people happy some of the time... but you can not make all of the people happy all of the time.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
No one will use the V (also why the V and not the VB which was muchmore popular) cause it just won't compete vs later war planes and everyone was kind of wanting the IXe which looks like it won't appear. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL... that is a good one! Oh wait... you were trying to be funny right? I mean you were not serious when you said no one would use it?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
Does Oleg have somthing against British planes or something?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! No, just the sim started off from a USSR presepetive and the ac on the eastern front.. thus the HURR and the US ac due to lend lease program.. but now it is comming west.. and agian.. you can make some of the peop... Oh you know

TAGERT

trumper
01-20-2004, 01:50 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif EERRRMMM,Is that not the advert for f/b when it was first released as an updated version of the original IL2.TA

tsisqua
01-20-2004, 02:12 PM
With all this heated discussion, I suppose that making this a sticky is probably not needed. I am thinking that soon we will get some kind of official word from 1C/Oleg, and all the speculation will end . . . not the complaining . . . just the speculation.

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Arm_slinger
01-20-2004, 03:49 PM
anyone who wants to see that the spit Mkv is in the add-on, go to that www.jg777.com/il2 (http://www.jg777.com/il2) and look under "British & Commonwealth" aircraft

Taken directly from that link

"Supermarine Spitfire Mk. V Gibbage/Fievel Gibbage/Jeronimo Capt. Flushgarden Ext. 100% / Cp. 90% / S. 100% Coming in Payware Add-On (Fly) "

Menthol_moose
01-20-2004, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLF-Mondo:
lol, im bad at waiting to, Im not sure ubi or 1c could manage a pissup in a brewery.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me guess, your a aussie right ? :P

tenmmike
01-20-2004, 06:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Menthol_moose:
any info on how the gunsite works ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>http://www.jfleischmann.com/k14.jpg this is a very simplified description..The US K-14 (and the virtually identical US Navy Mark 18) was a license-built variation of the British-developed gyro-stabilized lead-computing sight. The sights were largely similar, with some differences in knobs, settings, etc., and used a gyro system to permit the reticle to compensate for relative motion in the firing and target aircraft. The reticles were the same in the US and RAF versions....also there were 2 adjustments 1 for speed and one for wingspan..if you look at the picture you will see the type of aircrft targeted on the bezel semi- ring..with those 2 things in place speed and wing span the above calculations can get a fery good firing solution (the above sight is set for a FW-190) hope this helps........NOTE I STOLE THE PIC FROM THE ORIGINAL POSTER jetset_....

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SvenSvin
01-20-2004, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StG77_Kondor:
Is it me...or is the Me110 not included in that 'unofficial' list?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I noticed that too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Personally I don't really care that much about the Spitfire - but flyable bf110 would be a very nice inclusion. It'll probably be cannon fodder, but it just looks kind of... cool. I've missed it since the first IL2 and still do

EPP-Gibbs
01-20-2004, 07:39 PM
Getting Spitfires seems like pulling teeth. For a fighter recognised as one of the greats of WW2 and an aviation icon, for a fighter that was in continuous service from before the start of WW2 until well after it ended, for a fighter that served in EVERY theatre of that war, for a fighter that was produced to the tune of 20,000 plus and flown by probably more nationalities of pilots than any other WW2 aircraft, and used by the Russians under lend lease (1,500 or so).... The Russians specifically requested Spits and P39's under lend lease. Seems like the virtual VVS pilots have been denied Spits even though the real ones had them.

....it seems strange that we have to wait for the original game plus patches, for the sequel, plus patches, until finally, in the paid add-on, we get...one mark of Spitfire (out of more than 20) bundled in with oddities like mistel bombers, I-16's slung under bomber wings, and things like the P-80 that obviously made a faaaaar more significant contribution to the War than did the Spitfire......NOT!

To me the ommission of the Spitfire right up until now is a glaring and unfathomable error. The IL-2 series of Sims has been around about three years now....and after all this time only one version of arguably the most famous fighter aircraft ever is ready for release.
I'd have liked to have spent the last 3 years at least having the option of flying it.

Still...better (very)late than never.

There are loads of models of the 109 available in IL-2, we could do with just some of the marks of Spitfire.. I,V,IX,XIV. That would do.

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SpinSpinSugar
01-21-2004, 04:32 AM
Perhaps they're saving the best till last EPP-Gibbs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Agree with the above that for a V series Spit, a Vb would make more sense, unless the only ones that went to the Soviets were Vs.

As for the "it's not a 1946 uber-rocket so who's going to want to fly it" nonsense, pah, I'll fly it, and I hope there are enough 1940/41 servers with 109Fs/190A1s and Spit Vs to give it historical context. I just wish there was a 1939/40 Spit I/109E matchup coming too. Although we'll get that in BoB, so no major complaints there.

Cheers,

SSS

WOLF-Mondo
01-21-2004, 04:50 AM
Tagert, I don't have time to write a fully detailed description of why I don't like the P51B or think it wasn't a success but thats just my opinion you'll have to accept that.

You missed my point, notice the bit about generic dogfight serverhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Why would people use the Spit V vs 1944 and 45 planes? It would get blown to peices by late war Yaks, 109's and 190's, Ki-84's etc.People will fly it for a while cause its a spit but after being blown out the sky they will ask the questions 'where is the XIV or IX?' thats a good plane to fly and then change to a more competative plane. granted if the map was based on year then the MkV would do very well...but not vs a Bf109K-4 or 190D9 on a generic all war years server.

I think EPP-Gibbs has the point I was trying to put across. I guess Oleg does have a dislike for British planes, more spits were delivered to the USSR than P47's but we have 3 different P47's in the game at the moment and not one spit...and Tagert, we have Japanese planes in FB, I don't remember the USSR ever putting in an order for 1000 Ki-84's or Zero'shttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Im not a Spit whiner but Gibbs hits the nail on the head quite well. Spits were used universally and through out the war, maintained a leading edge on Axis planes making them some of the finest planes ever built. Bah...nevermind.

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Recon_609IAP
01-21-2004, 05:41 AM
I think the Me110 is the big disapointment.

So - if I don't buy this addon I won't be able to play online then, right? Or is Jiri going to need a new lobby for it?

I must be in the minority, but I was expecting more flyable bombers.

S!
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Recon_609IAP
01-21-2004, 05:43 AM
"by WOLF-Mondo:
No one will use the V (also why the V and not the VB which was muchmore popular) cause it just won't compete vs later war planes and everyone was kind of wanting the IXe which looks like it won't appear. "

I understand what you are saying. And maybe I'm in the minority again here - but I like to fly in the '41-43 time period. I like the earlier war models much better than late war. I find them more interesting.

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SpinSpinSugar
01-21-2004, 05:58 AM
Recon_609IAP, you're not the only one. I agree totally, I'd have liked more bombers, more characterful early war, less 1945/46 fantasy what-if machines. But, I guess, it comes down to who's prepared to model what, and the shiny UFOs get more attention than the workhorses of 1939-1943.

Me110 and Spit V were both prevalent on the Eastern Front and should have been in from the start, but then so should the Pe-2, etc.

Cheers,

SSS

WOLF-Mondo
01-21-2004, 06:56 AM
Recon_609IAP, I understand what your saying and I feel the same way but as a person who runs a server you have to think about how you run it. Unless maps are theme/year based then people go for the 44/45 planes, the V isn't one of those.

I think the other thing is I would like to see the FB engine used to cover the entire war, all theatres to make it the most complete flight sim to date. Its already on its way there.

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Arm_slinger
01-21-2004, 07:07 AM
I thought Me110 was going to be a possible bonus

BpGemini
01-21-2004, 07:48 AM
I get my P-63!!! Finally!!!

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Rajvosa
01-21-2004, 07:53 AM
I'd give all those other planes, save the P-51B, C and D with K-14 for Spit! Yes, I am a Spit whiner! And darn proud of it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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johann_thor
01-21-2004, 07:55 AM
still no 2-engine russian bomber ..... the only thing we need for the eastern front
.....and this is a russian game...

amazing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rajvosa
01-21-2004, 07:57 AM
I'd much rather have Pe-2 than the Bf 110, as well.



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bazzaah2
01-21-2004, 08:20 AM
at least there's another Stuka variant. hahaha (you have to imagine the sarcasm).

No Pe2, not even a 110, but we get a Go229? And an aircraft that apparently didn't even fly in the 109Z? C'mon Oleg, what gives here?

The only reason I'll buy the addon, IF I buy it, will be for the Spit and P38.

Rest of it will be wasted effort as far as I'm concerned though I'm sure there'll be plenty of fantasy servers around.

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Future-
01-21-2004, 09:13 AM
"Fantasy servers" - hear all those complaints...

Where's the whining about the Bi-1 we already have? Didn't see any action back in WW2 either.

While I'm also disappointed that a) this current list leaves out a few very good planes and b) Ubi/1C still don't bother giving us an official statement, I'm still glad about the planes we will get.
It'll be quite interesting to see especially those "fantasy" planes in action against the planes we already have... P-80 vs Me262 is probably the best example.

I also have a feeling of being let down, but some of you guys should really come down from your high horses... "wasted effort" @ bazzaah2 if it'll be so much annoying for you, just don't buy it, ok?

S!

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tagert
01-21-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
Tagert, I don't have time to write a fully detailed description of why I don't like the P51B or think it wasn't a success but that's just my opinion you'll have to accept that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As long as you accept that I think you opinion is unfounded, unsupported and.. as you indicated totally stems for you not liking it and nothing to do with any facts.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
You missed my point, notice the bit about generic dogfight server.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No I got it, just did agree with it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
Why would people use the Spit V vs 1944 and 45 planes? It would get blown to peices by late war Yaks, 109's and 190's, Ki-84's etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why do people fly early 109E in late war? Because they hope to sucker them late war BnZ's into a low speed, low level turn fight.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
People will fly it for a while cause its a spit but after being blown out the sky they will ask the questions 'where is the XIV or IX?' that's a good plane to fly and then change to a more competative plane. granted if the map was based on year then the MkV would do very well...but not vs a Bf109K-4 or 190D9 on a generic all war years server.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think you realize that there are online servers that limit the war to 42 plane sets.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
I think EPP-Gibbs has the point I was trying to put across. I guess Oleg does have a dislike for British planes, more spits were delivered to the USSR than P47's but we have 3 different P47's in the game at the moment and not one spit...and Tagert, we have Japanese planes in FB, I don't remember the USSR ever putting in an order for 1000 Ki-84's or Zero's<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! Do you really think so? Oleg's doesn't like them? Why that is about as crazy as saying the P51B was a failure! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by WOLF-Mondo:
Im not a Spit whiner but Gibbs hits the nail on the head quite well. Spits were used universally and through out the war, maintained a leading edge on Axis planes making them some of the finest planes ever built. Bah...nevermind.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There are a lot of things that are not in there that were there... but one thing that is not in there is the black helicopters and conspeicys you all seem to see in there! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT

WOLF-Mondo
01-21-2004, 12:57 PM
Sorry, but I don't have time to go through forums and explain why I might not like a plane or think its not very good, I could sit here all day argueing similar points but i've got allot of better things to do like play FB.

What I said about generic servers does not require your agreement, it was a statement and yes im completely aware that there are various server with various themes, either by year or theatre. My point was that allot of people just run generic dogfight servers with the original maps and all the planes and allot of people like to play on them. As for a conspiricy, no, im not like that but you have to question the fact that the Spit is only now in it after so many requests.

Im glad you find some of my statements funny but if you want to be condecending or rude I guess thats your prerogative.

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tagert
01-21-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
Sorry, but I don't have time to go through forums and explain why I might not like a plane or think its not very good, I could sit here all day argueing similar points but i've got allot of better things to do like play FB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dont be sorry! Just be prepaired for people to not take you seriosly if your not willing to explain you statments. As I have chosen to do.. Therefor until you find the time, I think you opinion of the P51B is about as far from the truth as one could get without trying.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
What I said about generic servers does not require your agreement, it was a statement <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I never said it did require it, I simply pointed it out in light of it appeared you were un-aware of it... in that so much of your argment counted on it... Therefore I simplyed pointed out that most servers on HL dont do the "all planes avaiable all the time thing"... except for the Quake like shoot em up high score servers... but then who really cares about the WHAT or WHY they would fly a Spit V.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
and yes im completely aware that there are various server with various themes, either by year or theatre.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hmmmm then why did you ask the question in the first place? Are you one of those people that cares about the goings on in a Quake type shoot em up high score server?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
My point was that allot of people just run generic dogfight servers with the original maps and all the planes and allot of people like to play on them.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, so you are worried about the Quake type shoot em up high score servers... Nuff said, I now understand where YOU are comming from.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
As for a conspiricy, no, im not like that but you have to question the fact that the Spit is only now in it after so many requests.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Disagree 100%

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by WOLF-Mondo:
Im glad you find some of my statements funny but if you want to be condecending or rude I guess thats your prerogative.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank You... but it is just my opinion! How did you say it? You just have to accept that! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT

TX-Zen
01-21-2004, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
I get my P-63!!! Finally!!!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've had your P63 all along, they accidently called it the P39 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
01-21-2004, 03:31 PM
I'm just hoping that the late war USAAF logo gets put on the side of the P-63 if you select USA as the flyable country. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The P-63 I think will be fun to try out...its a neat little plane that I know almost nothing about.

With the Spitfire V I hope people who fly it appreciate it for what it is and that it is a early war fighter. Its definately one of the finest fighter series ever made and the V is no slouch but I just hope people don't go into a 1945 server and complain.

As for plane choices - gotta remember that people outside of Maddox modeled the P-47 and quite a few of these other plans. The Mark V and the IX are due to Gibbage's motivation and the Mark XIV is Fievel's motivation and effort. All hopefully to be flown sooner than later.

- IceFire
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JR_Greenhorn
01-21-2004, 05:07 PM
I feel there is another possibility to consider that may be overlooked in all of the negativity in this thread. Perhaps Oleg has big plans for the Spitfire series in BoB. He may model several marks spanning early to late war. Who knows, he may even include the Spiteful!


If this is the case, I think it would benefit Oleg if he were not to include the more popular marks in FB. That way, there would be more reason to switch to the new sim when it is released. Many people are flying with computers that can just barely handle FB now, thus FB will definately be in competition with the new sim when it is released.
Perhaps Oleg is doing the same with bombers, especially twin engine bombers. Was there not an Italian twin in the Dev Updates?

Disclaimer: This is a hunch. I have no information to support this hunch. It is only a hunch.

LEXX_Luthor
01-21-2004, 05:39 PM
I would like Spit I most.

Early WAR Rules!


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Lucius_Esox
01-21-2004, 05:53 PM
It is truly incomprhensible to think that any mark of Mitchells "masterpiece" has not been included in IL2/FB to date!! Truly!

I appreciate the argument that they are being saved for BOB, as I do the best till last etc. Hell, even Oleg said that the Vb was the best fighter of the war in terms of it's performance across the whole altitude spectrum, i.e. not the best at any of em but good at all of em taken as a whole, so whats going on?

Am sorry but the man has lost some of my respect, considering what is "in" now.

No disrespect to our American friends intended but can you imagine what it feels like for us Brits..

Something stinks to me and I hope I am made to eat my words.

Am sure Oleg is not gonna lose any sleep after my above comment, but if it aint in, I aint buying it, simple!

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Korolov
01-21-2004, 08:39 PM
Personally, I like the... Well whichever that mark was, IX or XI, the one with the quad bladed prop and standard tail & canopy assembly. Still, the V is plenty sufficient for now, and I expect it to be the mainstay of early to mid war allied plane fleets.

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necrobaron
01-21-2004, 09:34 PM
Yeah,Oleg hates the Brits soooo much he's creating a new sim called "Battle of Britain". Man, he must really hate those Brits. Oleg is so mean. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And we ARE getting the Vb,IIRC. Some of you seem to not understand that this is an INCOMPLETE,UNOFFICIAL list. Just because your favorite plane isn't on it or isn't listed as flyable doesn't mean it won't be. Some of you also seem to fail to understand that many of the planes not on the list aren't complete. If you are so upset about this, you should be whining to the modellers and not Oleg. Btw,I've heard the Russians didn't like the Spit due to their perceived "sensitivity" and maintenance problems. Perhaps that's why the Spitfire has been low on the modelling totem pole for the Eastern front. Now that we have the Western Front(sort of),the Spit is sorely needed.

Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 06:37 AM
I couldnt have said it better nechttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, despite explaining 3 times that the Spit Mk V IS I REPEAT IS!! in the addon

BBB_PzGrenni
01-22-2004, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
"Fantasy servers" - hear all those complaints...

Where's the whining about the Bi-1 we already have? Didn't see any action back in WW2 either.

While I'm also disappointed that a) this current list leaves out a few very good planes and b) Ubi/1C still don't bother giving us an official statement, I'm still glad about the planes we will get.
It'll be quite interesting to see especially those "fantasy" planes in action against the planes we already have... P-80 vs Me262 is probably the best example.

I also have a feeling of being let down, but some of you guys should really come down from your high horses... "wasted effort" @ bazzaah2 if it'll be so much annoying for you, just don't buy it, ok?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only fantasy is in heads,If you will fight DF with P80 and an technical same plane,you must wait for Messerschmitt P1101 jet......but thats impossible while flew later under name Bell X-5 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
But you're right.We shall be happy about EVERY plane we get http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tagert
01-22-2004, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
Yeah,Oleg hates the Brits soooo much he's creating a new sim called "Battle of Britain". Man, he must _really_ hate those Brits. Oleg is so mean. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And we ARE getting the Vb,IIRC. Some of you seem to not understand that this is an _INCOMPLETE,UNOFFICIAL_ list. Just because your favorite plane isn't on it or isn't listed as flyable doesn't mean it won't be. Some of you also seem to fail to understand that many of the planes not on the list aren't complete. If you are so upset about this, you should be whining to the modellers and not Oleg. Btw,I've heard the Russians didn't like the Spit due to their perceived "sensitivity" and maintenance problems. Perhaps that's why the Spitfire has been low on the modelling totem pole for the Eastern front. Now that we have the Western Front(sort of),the Spit is sorely needed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>NO NO NO!! Oleg Hate's the Brit's planes!! It must be true! Many people here have gone to great lengths to show us the consperisy!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT

necrobaron
01-22-2004, 12:18 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lucius_Esox
01-22-2004, 06:36 PM
Yes I am eating my words now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Standard marketing practice! Does make me wonder how long BOB has been a "project" for 1C though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

No601_prangster
01-23-2004, 04:10 PM
Bump

Prangster
No.601 Squadron
Tangmere Pilots
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lcolin
01-24-2004, 07:58 AM
bump

MystiqBlackCat
01-24-2004, 11:25 AM
I've noticed some people talking about how they think the Spit that we are getting in the expansion isnt going to be competitive with late war planes. Well what about those crazy guys in Hurricane IIB's on these servers? Also a very old plane, supposedly outclasses but they still manage to do really well.

I remember seeing TX-Zen and a few of his buddies flying in hurris and givin the Axis a run for our money because of their abilities.

I'd say the plane is only as good as the pilot flying it as I'm sure many of my fellow online pilots would agree.

!Salute!

xanty
01-29-2004, 07:59 AM
Hi all:

Today I got confirmation that the Cr.42 is flying.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SpinSpinSugar
01-29-2004, 08:19 AM
MystiqBlackCat,

Exactly. Plus there are plenty of '43 and below servers where it will hold it's own. I also saw an interview with a highly experienced warbird pilot who when asked which was his favourite Spitfire mark said "without question, the MkV. It handled the best of all, especially with the clipped wings. Of course, it couldn't match the speed and power of the later models but it was beautiful to fly".

Alas, simulators can only ever be an approximation of reality, and the finer points of handling will be lost in comparison to raw figures. The Spit V will still be fun to fly though, I have no doubt.

SSS

DeerHunterUK
01-29-2004, 09:00 AM
Couldn't agree with you more SSS, our Squadron often has a pre-42 DF server running and I'm sure the Spit V will give those 109 F's a good run for their money.Although a Spit IX would be nicer but then we'd have to contend with those 190s. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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F19_Olli72
01-29-2004, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xanty:
Hi all:

Today I got confirmation that the Cr.42 is flying.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks Xanty! Thats fantastic!!!
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Bogun
01-29-2004, 10:45 AM
And so is the Spitfire Mk.Vb in initial "Aces Expansion Pack" with various versions of IX in following patches.

Info posted on Sukhoi.ru forum by one of the insiders.

Regards,

AKA_Bogun
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"The best fighters I met in combat were the American P-51 Mustang and Russian Yak-9U. Both of those types obviously exceeded all Bf109 variants in performance, including the 'K'. The Mustang was unmatched in altitude performance, while the Yak-9U was champion in rate of climb and maneuverability."

- Walter Wolfrum

necrobaron
01-29-2004, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xanty:
Hi all:

Today I got confirmation that the Cr.42 is flying.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woohoo! I can't wait!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

AFJ_Elite
01-29-2004, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
I'd trade half those planes for a spit, and I think most ppl would agree with me.

Also, what's a K14 gunsight? Sorry if that's a noob question :/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If there is no flyable spit we are goin to lose half the UK players lol.

F19_Ob
01-29-2004, 11:40 AM
fantastic news xanty.
I look forward to to fly it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DONB3397
01-29-2004, 05:15 PM
If I missed this in an earlier post, I'm sorry to repeat it; but in the 1/23/04 development update, there was a B-25 cockpit. It seems unlikely, but it was listed as a "possible bonus" in the Add-on. Any solid information out there?

Future-
01-29-2004, 05:32 PM
To be precise, the proper dev update containing the B-25 cockpit was on 22.12.2003 - it's listed as a possible bonus, much like the Gladiator was in a previous update.

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development_1222.php

This is the link to the update. So I really wonder, what's status of the B-25?

- Future

Commanding Officer of the 530th Bomb Squad
380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

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Visit us at http://members.tripod.com/tophatssquadron , home of the 310th FS and the 380th BG

A.K.Davis
01-29-2004, 05:57 PM
Bogun is probably right about B-25. Sure, there's cockpit shot in the dev. update, but what about a shot of:

Nose position

Top turret

Waist positions

Tail turret

--AKD

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Future-
01-29-2004, 09:55 PM
Arg, you might be right. Curse the developers, if they don't manage to get the Mitchell in the exp pack! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

- Future

Commanding Officer of the 530th Bomb Squad
380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

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F19_Orheim
01-30-2004, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xanty:
Hi all:

Today I got confirmation that the Cr.42 is flying.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Excellent news xanty... Now I only need comfirmation about the J8 and then I can celebrate http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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tsisqua
01-30-2004, 08:49 AM
Orheim,
Nice avatar. Looks pretty much like the picture that you posted a few weeks back. I remembered flying with you and saved the pic, and I just made a comparison. Did you make the avatar?

Tsisqua

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Tsalagi Asgaya Galvladi

DuxCorvan
01-30-2004, 09:00 AM
Ehem, I know this could be a little off-topic, but...

Are we getting anything else in the expansion, apart from those aircraft we knew we were to get so many months ago?

I mean new maps, off-line campaigns, a better AI, additions to FMB and QMB and so?

This game really lacks a DGen Romanian campaign, some more historical maps, more situations and maps in QMB, and triggering flag events in FMB.

Any word on this?

Or context is not important for anyone else? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

- Dux Corvan -
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Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

A.K.Davis
01-30-2004, 10:48 AM
Well, new maps and additions to the FMB came in the 1.21 patch, but I believe there will be new campaigns, new single missions and improvement to the AI. If we are really getting the IAR80/81 flyable, then I imagine one of the campaigns might be Romanian.

--AKD

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Jettexas
01-30-2004, 10:56 AM
No (b)25?.......No (U.S.)$29

Its time we had an official word/clarifiation on this.
Many squadrons watching and waiting for the only thing this fine sim is missing.
S!

WUAF_Badsight
01-30-2004, 10:58 AM
this is the last list i saw posted : . . .

Free Add-on:

Flyable
P-51D (N-9 gunsight)
Ki-84-1A
A6M5

AI
B17G
C47

Ground Objects
US Cars, US Tanks, US AAAA, tents,trees palms and 2 ships

Maps
Ardennes (Summer and Winter)
Normandy (pre and post invasion)
Onlibe Pacific - with white sand and different sea colour

Payed Addon (January 2004)
Released date moved to January because Gibbage has to finish Spit5

Flyable
P-51B
P-51C
P-51D (K-14 gunsight)
P-63C
P-38L
P-38J
YP-80 Shooting Star
Me-163B
HE-162-A-2
Ta-152H-1
Mistel with Fw190
Bf-109Z
Ju-87D-5
Ho-229
SPB (Tb3 with two I-16 under wings)
IAR-80A
IAR-81C
Fiat G.50
K-84-1b
Ki-84-1c
A6M2

AI
Hawk 75A-3
Hawk 75A-4
Fi-103 V1 with launcher
Gladiator Mk1 and Mk II
FW200

Possible:
MC200
Gladiator flyable
Bf110G-2 flyable
Fiat CR42 flyable


1. The Bf-110 will be in the add-on if it gets finished in time. It's a third party cockpit so Oleg can't promised anything that is outside his control. But there's every intention to get it in there.

2. The Tempest will be in, it seems. One of Oleg's staff met Alex in Rumania last week and things are looking good.

3. It looks like the Gladiators will be AI only - the 3rd party developer says he has no time to do the cockpits now.

4. Any maps in the January add-on - the intention was not to, but at Ubi's urging we will now include a new map. I know where but until the map maker gets going it's too ewarly to say.

5. There will be 3 new ships not 2 as reported by Neil (who did a great job summarising a load of info BTW)

6. There will be 3 Normandy maps, pre and post invasion and one with an abstract "British Island Base" for those like me who prefer to land somewhere.

7. The Ju-88 will be included if Jippo and his crew finish it.

8. New AI routines will allow for hundreds of aircraft in the air at once in the new BoB sim.

9. BoB- UK planes won't be restricted to sweeps/intercepts as somebody said - I have an idea of the plane list and there's a lot to do.

10. The planes still in development will be added to FB if they're done - B25, Beaufighter etc.

11. The BoB sim is intended as the first sim with new technology. There will be add-ons and new products (Med etc) based on it if it sells well.

12. Guderian - no, I haven't mentioned anything about 3rd party maps being possible.

13. UK Apollo - Dynamic Online campaigns are coming. The question from the audience was about persistent online maps (i.e. no sequential coops but a "24 hour" mission) and that is not currently planned.

14. AKD - yes, many ground vehicles are reduced poly versions from Battlefield Command so are easy to do now.

15. Apollo - there will be new vehicles both for the new FB maps and for BoB with the latter being far more detailed.

16. GE - there will be more flyable fighters in BoB than the ones you listed.

17. Helmut - yes, American, Polish, Czechoslovak etc Sqns in BoB will be modelled.

18. Mog - BoB is just the start. Oleg is fascinated by the Lancaster ....

19. Re less planes in Bob than FB - well there were less planes and Oleg wants to model the individual physics to a far higher level.

20. Cat - you'll see almost everything you listed and plenty more. There will also be more for the Brits to do than just Spit/Hurri. We had talks with the RAF today about data for some very interesting aircraft.

21. Radar will be modelled in BoB. And new clouds/sky. And new mapping tech. And ... And ...

22. Heinz - part of the idea is to get new players into the genre, for which BoB will work better than Malta.

23. KK - the Italians flew in BoB andd will be modelled.

SuomiPilotti
01-30-2004, 11:45 AM
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SuspectSquirrel
01-30-2004, 11:47 AM
wow!



Thank you,
Mr. Squirrel

BigBoy01
01-30-2004, 12:09 PM
Does anyone know if the patches to update 1.0 of the sim to at least say 1.22 will be included in the add on/expansion pack?

Capt_Haddock
01-30-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>3. It looks like the Gladiators will be AI only - the 3rd party developer says he has no time to do the cockpits now.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong. The 3rd party developers did finish the J8 cockpit in time. Ask Orheim, he is one of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Mike_Green
01-30-2004, 09:39 PM
Keeping everything crossed for a flyable Glad here. To have it as AI but not to be able to get into that beautiful cockpit would be a cruel, cruel tease.

Previously known round these parts as mikeyg007

chris455
01-30-2004, 10:03 PM
All I know is, I am all about that P-38 when it finally comes- Hot diggity dawg!!!!!!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

http://members.cox.net/miataman1/P47.jpg

WUAF_Badsight
01-31-2004, 04:17 AM
it was posted like in december

its the last i heard , dont take it as offical ..... jeez

Aaron_GT
01-31-2004, 07:56 AM
WUAF_Badsight:

Is the P-61 not in the add on (I've preordered
it now, so it doesn't make much difference).
It would be nice to see it in (not as nice
as the Mosquito or Tempest, but all the same..)

Vladimir_No2
01-31-2004, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>3. It looks like the Gladiators will be AI only - the 3rd party developer says he has no time to do the cockpits now.
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Wrong. The 3rd party developers did finish the J8 cockpit in time. Ask Orheim, he is one of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Let us hope that it is flyable!

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"Engage the enemy more closely" -Rear Admiral Cradock

jtasker
01-31-2004, 08:25 AM
Whatever happened to the Hs-129? I was really hoping to get that sucker flyable some day..

F19_Orheim
01-31-2004, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
Orheim,
Nice avatar. Looks pretty much like the picture that you posted a few weeks back. I remembered flying with you and saved the pic, and I just made a comparison. Did you make the avatar?

Tsisqua
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Tsisqua, cheers mate! Well as Capt. Haddock now is a member our fine squadron F19 and he use an avatar depicting the REAL Capt Haddock of the Tintin comic books, I thought that I should use a character from Tintin as well. To my astonishment there is this evil criminal and enemy of Tintin called Dr Muller who really looks like me. Glad you saw the resemblence as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif So the choice was natural...

Here is also a reason why Tintin characters goes so well together with me and Capt. Haddock.


http://216.12.202.106/~f19vs/avion3-1.jpg



PS. Mon Capitaine.... I know nothing of a Gloster Gladiator. I only know about this Swedish Aircraft called J8A http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PS. Badsight... Dont be so sensetive, Haddock just corrected you that's all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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[This message was edited by F19_Orheim on Sat January 31 2004 at 01:37 PM.]

necrobaron
01-31-2004, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtasker:
Whatever happened to the Hs-129? I was really hoping to get that sucker flyable some day..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Unfortunately,it was dropped. The modeller,Lukas, didn't have time to do it.

"Not all who wander are lost."

F19_Orheim
02-01-2004, 02:58 AM
posted 01 Feb, 2004 11:51 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by necrobaron:

quote:
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Originally posted by jtasker:
Whatever happened to the Hs-129? I was really hoping to get that sucker flyable some day..
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Unfortunately,it was dropped. The modeller,Lukas, didn't have time to do it.

"Not all who wander are lost."
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It's a shame when nice models get dropped, but understandable maybe. There is a LOT of work in building an airplane with cockpit in 3D Max, and then you have to consider all the research. My fullest respect goes to all the 3rd party modellers who finish their projects... they have put in a Horseload of work for us all....

PS just an advice for future modellers. Don't embark an a project on your own. Try to find people who can help out with skinning and research etc. Only a few can fix this on their own within a resonable timeframe...

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Capt_Haddock
02-01-2004, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
it was posted like in december
its the last i heard , dont take it as offical ..... jeez<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apologies, Badsight. I didn't want to sound rude http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shame about the Henschel-129. Thay cockpit has been started several times by different people if I remeber well. Same happened with the HS-123 a beautiful 'crap plane'.

As Orhein says it's just too big a project for one man. The amount of research needed for a cockpit is quite overwhelming. A few pictures of the panel are just not enough.

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/haddock/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
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CH_D-Fender
02-01-2004, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:

Same happened with the HS-123 a beautiful 'crap plane'.

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In 1941 the Hs-123 was the plane with the most
missions flown per plane in the german inventory.
Up to 10 missions a day.

Not bad for a "crap plane".

D_Fender

Capt_Haddock
02-01-2004, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CH_D-Fender:
In 1941 the Hs-123 was the plane with the most
missions flown per plane in the german inventory.
Up to 10 missions a day.
Not bad for a "crap plane".
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But it's not an Uber-FW190 or an Uber-La7. That's why it's a 'Crap Plane TM'

The semi-official Crap Plane TM FAQ by FltLt HardBall:
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=006964

"Just to refresh your memories, here is the list of qualities that a Crap Plane TM must posess":

1. If it were a horse would it be worth more as dogmeat?
2. Does it float as well/better than it flies?
3. Like a bumblebee...should it be impossible by the laws of physics for it to leave the ground?
4. Would your Grandmother fancy a flight in it?
5. If made in the west, was it only popular with the VVS?
6. Does it have a door like a car?
7. If banking in formation was it safer for pilots to indicate by sticking their arm out the window?
8. Did it have any windows?
9. Does it only look attractive when you're drunk?
10.Does it remind you of a utilitarian household object (bucket, jug, sardine can...etc..etc...)?
11. Does it look like an Art Deco Standard Lamp?
12. Was it obviously unsuitable for combat duty?
13. At the time it entered service, was it pathetically out of date?
14. Was it unlikely to have any chance of competing in WWII?
15. Was it hopelessly outclassed?
16. Would it make a cute early learning toy?
17. Is it best seen in the dark? [ie...it is not specifically designed AS but gets relegated TO nightfighter status].
18. Is the design concept unclear? [Obvious example...Boulton Paul Defiant...]
19: "Does the engine require a major overhaul after twelve minutes?"
20. Could it be described as 'Stopgap' or 'Second Line'?
21. Do its designers describe it as being a "proof of concept" aircraft?
22. Does it appear that the aerodynamic surfaces were added as an afterthought?
23. Did the designers have to make up new terms to describe it?
24. Can you walk to places you would not ordinarily be able to walk to in an aeroplane?
25. Were more than 80% of the innovative, ground breaking ideas that were to change the future of aviation found in your aeroplane never, ever used again?
26. Outlived in service by the aircraft it was destined to replace.
27. Was the craft designed by people with only the most rudimentary understanding of powered flight?

(Thanks HardBall for the cross-post)

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F19_Orheim
02-02-2004, 12:09 AM
..very insightful http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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B16Enk
02-02-2004, 06:26 AM
Nobody mentioned this one, why?

http://www.thetoyshop.cc/toyshop/Airflow%20Collectibles/2002/CORSAIR_550.jpg

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F19_Orheim
02-02-2004, 04:31 PM
lol, u need a license for that right? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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necrobaron
02-02-2004, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B16Enk:
Nobody mentioned this one, why?

http://www.thetoyshop.cc/toyshop/Airflow%20Collectibles/2002/CORSAIR_550.jpg

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Well this isn't quite the same,but here's something SnowPipe has been working on for FB:

http://www.futurastic.com/F4U_Max/02-01-04/BackRight.jpg

It is a real shame about the Hs-129. IIRC,Lukas is in the military and is stationed in Germany. When he dropped the project, he said that he would be seeing active service soon,and there was no way he could finish the cockpit in time. I hope someone picks the project up.

"Not all who wander are lost."

JG53Frankyboy
02-03-2004, 10:10 AM
will it be a J8 ore a J8A as flyable in FB:Ace ??
i think ~200HPS count http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

three ore two blade wodden propeller ?

(ore has it a variable one like the Gladiator MkII - wich will be only AI ;( )

F19_Orheim
02-03-2004, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
will it be a J8 ore a J8A as flyable in FB:Ace ??
i think ~200HPS count http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

three ore two blade wodden propeller ?

(ore has it a variable one like the Gladiator MkII - wich will be only AI ;( )<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm not sure. All J8s had 2 bladed propellers, both the J8 and the J8A. Actually the only difference between the J8 and the J8A was the engine, everything else was the same. It was the same engine that was fitted in the Mk II model, so the performance for the J8A should be the same as that one. The J8 model is equivalent to MkI. Some people mistake the J8A as a MKI too as it has the same cockpit as the J8 and not as the MK II, but J8A is performancewise the same as a Mk II.

I definately hope that it will be J8A as this is the only Swedish Gladiator that saw action in Finland in the F19 Volunteer Squadron.

Haddock's J8A is also modelled EXACTLY after the J8A (id mark "H") that is beeing displayed at the Swedish Airforce Museum (http://www.flygvapenmuseum.se/) in Link¶ping / Sweden.

PS: Oh and what Haddock says here... (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=910100381&p=2)

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[This message was edited by F19_Orheim on Tue February 03 2004 at 02:52 PM.]

tagert
02-03-2004, 07:44 PM
http://www.futurastic.com/F4U_Max/02-01-04/BackRight.jpg

WOW! So that whole pacific add on looks like it might be for real? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT

F19_Orheim
02-04-2004, 03:38 AM
It's a beautiful Corsair....

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