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Platypus_1.JaVA
05-15-2006, 12:26 PM
This is not directly related to Il-2 PF but, since I see threads about Firs person shooters over here, I think the mods will let this thread open for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyways, I am currently building a modelkit of a 1:48 P-51 mustang. I intend to finish it in the colors if the KNIL (royal dutch east indies air force) They where exentsivly used as ground attack aircraft. Their typical load consisted of 6 rockets and two bombs (probably 250 or 500 lbs) However, they used British bombs and rockets. I don't know why they didn't buy american stuff to go with their aircraft but the pictures I have, clearly shows British stuff. So I want to make a few bombs and rockets myself.

Question: What are the dimensions (length, width) of the British aerial rockets and bombs used in WWII? I can't seem to find exact measurments. The rockets seem to be 3 inch in diameter but, the warhead is considrable thicker.

I've googled it but, I can't really find the stuff i need.

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-15-2006, 12:26 PM
This is not directly related to Il-2 PF but, since I see threads about Firs person shooters over here, I think the mods will let this thread open for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyways, I am currently building a modelkit of a 1:48 P-51 mustang. I intend to finish it in the colors if the KNIL (royal dutch east indies air force) They where exentsivly used as ground attack aircraft. Their typical load consisted of 6 rockets and two bombs (probably 250 or 500 lbs) However, they used British bombs and rockets. I don't know why they didn't buy american stuff to go with their aircraft but the pictures I have, clearly shows British stuff. So I want to make a few bombs and rockets myself.

Question: What are the dimensions (length, width) of the British aerial rockets and bombs used in WWII? I can't seem to find exact measurments. The rockets seem to be 3 inch in diameter but, the warhead is considrable thicker.

I've googled it but, I can't really find the stuff i need.

justflyin
05-15-2006, 01:09 PM
I found these two that give some measurements.

http://www.ww2guide.com/bombs.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-3

Viper2005_
05-15-2006, 01:11 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-3

Since the main body is known to be 3" diameter, it should be a simple matter to work out the dimensions of the warhead and fins from this picture (which is in the public domain):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/3_in_RP_Attaching_60_pdr_Warheads.jpg

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-15-2006, 01:31 PM
Nice pic indeed. I didn't find the wikipeda link before. But the rockets defenitly looks taller then 55 inches. They probably mean 55" for the rocket without the warhead. Rather usefull pic indeed.

BSS_Goat
05-15-2006, 02:04 PM
http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_manna1.jpg

No601_prangster
05-15-2006, 04:42 PM
Here you go, click on the image to download:

http://www.ijeremiah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Bomb_thumb.jpg (http://www.ijeremiah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Bomb.jpg)

BlakJakOfSpades
05-15-2006, 07:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_manna1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

err, leaflets or food i hope?

BSS_Goat
05-15-2006, 07:30 PM
Food http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

marc_hawkins
05-15-2006, 08:12 PM
Post war Royal Mail http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

horseback
05-15-2006, 10:04 PM
Is this a Tamiya or Hasegawa Mustang kit? Both are good, but the Hasegawa doesn't have 'droppable' flaps.

Anyway, I seem to recall a company in Britain called MDC that made some marvelous aftermarket British ordnance, including the rockets. They're a good likely source.

If you don't have a 'spares' box (I built models for almost 30 years, and if there was a part in a kit that I didn't use, I still have it somewhere in my garage), you might ask some of your friends with the same hobby if they have the bombs, rockets and rails from the Hasegawa Typhoon kits left over. That's your best source, or possibly the 1/48th scale Tamiya Beaufighter or Mossie kits, which also had RAF bombs and rockets.

Make sure that if these KNIL Mustangs used British sixty pound rockets, that they also used those unGodly rocket rails instead of the zero length launch stubs the Americans used.

cheers

horseback

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-16-2006, 09:18 AM
Yeah, it is the Hasegawa Mustang. The molds must be a bit older now because there is some flash on the parts. I am not used to flash on Hasegawa kits. And the detail isn't all to great either. But it should all fit tigether fairly well and I want to add some cockpit and gear bay detail myself. I do have a spare box but that doesn't contain any british WWII munitions. The bombs shouldn't be too hard. And I think I can make the rockets, that went with the Hawker Hunter, look like the ones I need. I know that there will probably be some sets on sale with British bombs and rockets but I want to practise on my scratchbuilding/conversion skills.

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-16-2006, 09:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlakJakOfSpades:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_manna1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

err, leaflets or food i hope? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This looks very much like one of the fooddroppings they did in our country by the end of the war. The best bombing campaign ever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SPLASH_1
05-16-2006, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlakJakOfSpades:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_manna1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

err, leaflets or food i hope? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This looks very much like one of the fooddroppings they did in our country by the end of the war. The best bombing campaign ever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What are they dropping hamburgers, you don`t want to get hit by a BigMac(tm) dropped from 300ft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

horseback
05-16-2006, 05:19 PM
That picture was taken in 1945; chances are that what was being dropped on those unsuspecting innocent Dutch people was the original fast food - SPAM!

cheers

horseback

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-16-2006, 05:31 PM
RAF Operation Manna
USAAF Operation Chowhound

http://users.interstroom.nl/~heijink/ (http://users.interstroom.nl/%7Eheijink/)

HellToupee
05-16-2006, 08:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
Make sure that if these KNIL Mustangs used British sixty pound rockets, that they also used those unGodly rocket rails instead of the zero length launch stubs the Americans used.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the seafire seems to have zero length rails why did they use rails on the typoons and such

Waldo.Pepper
05-16-2006, 10:21 PM
I have a great video of the BBMF Lancaster flying over Buckingham palace dropping Poppies from either last year or the year before.

Very moving.

horseback
05-16-2006, 11:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HellToupee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
Make sure that if these KNIL Mustangs used British sixty pound rockets, that they also used those unGodly rocket rails instead of the zero length launch stubs the Americans used.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the seafire seems to have zero length rails why did they use rails on the typoons and such </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No pictures I have -and I have a LOT- show a wartime Seafire Mark with zero-length stubs. Postwar, maybe.

If you have access to a photo with a Seafire with rockets on zero-length stubs, it's possible the FAA was somewhat more enlightened than the RAF - although the likelihood is that they were just carrying US 5 inch rockets from USN stores instead of the heavier British 60 lb types with the bulbous heads.

In any case, I have a copy of Green & Swanborough's US Army Air Force Fighters Part 2, and in the section covering the Mustang, at the bottom of page 42, there is a lovely photo of a Mustang Mk III sporting a pair of standard RAF style rockets and rails under each wing, and on an earlier page, there's a nice shot of a MK I with three rails and 60 lb. rockets under each wing.

I think the rule would be British rockets, British rails.

cheers

horseback

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-17-2006, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SPLASH_1:


What are they dropping hamburgers, you don`t want to get hit by a BigMac(tm) dropped from 300ft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There where indeed some stories that the food actually hit some of the people with instant fatality. Rather sad to die in such a way. Also, after months of a forced Diet, lots of people couldn't handle all the food. They ate too much. This probably would make you feel horrible, not fatal I think.

But anyways, Dutch P-51's didn't use rails to launch the rockets. They used the american style of short stubs. They probably modified the brackets on the brit rockets to make them fit with the american hardpoints. The launch rails look sexy I think. The aircraft looks more letal that way.