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Crash1975
05-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Could someone recommend a good Joystick and any other controls that make game play better. I am just using a mouse and keyboard right now, slightly hard to control to say the least!

Price Range: Open

Thanks,

Crash1975
05-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Could someone recommend a good Joystick and any other controls that make game play better. I am just using a mouse and keyboard right now, slightly hard to control to say the least!

Price Range: Open

Thanks,

Longitude
05-07-2006, 06:44 PM
If price is open...

CH.
Aviation Goodness (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/index.html)

No need to look any further.
USB: Fighterstick/Throttle/Pedals. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cobra427so
05-07-2006, 07:06 PM
Try the Saitek X52 (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm), you get a throttle and stick combo, probably the most programmable on the market. It has twist for rudder but they are coming out with pedals that will match-up later this year.

Cobra427so

Freelancer-1
05-07-2006, 07:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash1975:
...any other controls that make game play better.

Price Range: Open </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TrackIR http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/

CH Pedals http://www.chproducts.com/retail/pedals.html

USB Headset http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products...at1430032/prod440042 (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat1430032/prod440042)

Sillius_Sodus
05-07-2006, 07:39 PM
Crash1975,

The general consensus on this forum is that you should avoid Logitech joysticks. I've gone through two of them, they were ok but wore out fairly quickly. I've switched to a Saitek Cyborg Evo which is a decent low-end stick.

Many players opt for HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) setups with or without rudder pedals. Prices range from $40US for a refurbished Saitek X45 throttle and stick to a couple of hundred bucks for a full CH setup.

Although it may sound like heresy to some, I like my "poor man's" hotas setup of my Saitek Evo stick and Nostromo N52 Speedpad. The N52 has a throttle wheel, 16 programmable buttons and directional pad that doubles as a hat switch. It's also a fantastic controller for first-person shooters. You can pick one up for around $40US.

If you go for just a stick, make sure it has Z-axis rudder twist because you really need to use the rudder in this sim.

Good Hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

cmw1980
05-08-2006, 06:14 AM
Hi, sorry if Im interrupting but I was thinking about the logitech strike forch 3d because its not too expensive. Does anyone know if its any good? Thanks

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-08-2006, 06:32 AM
Very happy Limey X-45 user here. I'd say go for the refurb at $40, assuming you're a U.S. resident.

WOLFMondo
05-08-2006, 06:57 AM
CH all the way. Fighterstick and Pedals are expensive but the quality and toughness can't be beaten. I wouldn't buy anything else...not that I'll ever have too since CH gear is indestructable!!

I know a fair share of people who also rate Cougar highly as well.

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-08-2006, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
CH all the way. Fighterstick and Pedals are expensive but the quality and toughness can't be beaten. I wouldn't buy anything else...not that I'll ever have too since CH gear is indestructable!!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



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onebox33
05-08-2006, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">CH all the way. Fighterstick and Pedals are expensive but </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
CH needs to make a joy with rudder on stick for use without pedals...

Sillius_Sodus
05-08-2006, 01:07 PM
cmw1980,

Logitech joysticks work well, but within a few months the stick tends to get loose in its socket and the stick itself begins to send out small random movements. You can see this happen when you run the calibration program for it. You can compensate for this by adjusting the deadzone band and filtering within the game, or by recalibrating often. Unfortunately it's only a temporary fix as the problem will get progressively worse over time. The effect of all this is that it becomes almost impossible to make small, accurate adjustments to your flight path, and consequently your aim. Makes carrier landings entertaining too...

Having said that, Logitechs are very comfortable, with good programming software. If you have your heart set on a Logitech stick and you live in North America, try to buy one from Best Buy. For a few extra bucks you can take advantage of their two year replacement warranty since you'll very likely need it.

Good Hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

russ.nl
05-08-2006, 01:56 PM
If you only want to play better then this (http://home.pages.at/mircosoft/Joystick.JPG) whil do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But a saitek is not very expencive and good quality.

BadA1m
05-08-2006, 02:18 PM
Another vote for saitek here. I have an x52 and CH rudder pedals. The '52 has gobs of buttons, your biggest problem will be remembering what you programmed everything to! I suspect that the CH sticks are good too since thier pedals are excellent, but you may find the x52 the better idea if your on a budget since you can use the twist rudder while you save up for the pedals.(just a thought) Track IR is an excellent tool (I don't leave the ground without it), but beware that it has a bit of a learning curve and some people just can't use it (A friend of mine actually gets seasick!..er..airsick?) Have fun as you fly the not-so friendly skies.
P.S. KEYBOARD?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

triad773
05-08-2006, 02:25 PM
I had the Logitech blues when my twist stick lost centre permanently. I use a Saitek Evo Force currently and it works well for me: get the shudder near stall, some motion that is supposed to simulate turbulence. I don't have the cash for a CH stick, but its true the quality is great- I am enjoying the pedals very much. Now if CH will make a forcefeedback HOTAS that may tempt me, very much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Best of luck-

Triad

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-09-2006, 03:53 PM
About those pedals everyone is raving about... can you use them when you are in a desk-chair? Like when you want to kick one side of the pedals, the force you use makes your chair twist the opposite way.

Or not?

Is Raaaid still here? He will know.

Padser
05-10-2006, 04:33 AM
No problems using pedals in a swivel desk chair here.

You might need to put the pedals up against a wall or something to stop them sliding, though (I also use a couple of pieces of wood to protect the USB cable, which is otherwise prone to getting squashed against the wall)

Pads

WOLFMondo
05-10-2006, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by onebox33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">CH all the way. Fighterstick and Pedals are expensive but </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
CH needs to make a joy with rudder on stick for use without pedals... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe, but once you've used pedals a twist stick is a step down.

NonWonderDog
05-10-2006, 11:13 AM
The Saitek X52 works very well, but you don't really need it for IL2. I got mine for Falcon 4.0 Allied Force. At only $100, though, it's a bargain in the HOTAS world.

onebox33
05-10-2006, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Maybe, but once you've used pedals a twist stick is a step down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
also a chair once you have used a chaise-longue is a step down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bearcat99
05-12-2006, 06:43 AM
Saitek if money is an issue.... CH if you have more to spend... but the Saiteks are decent sticks... one of tghe best things about the Saiteks is the programming software. Very versatile.

WOLFMondo
05-12-2006, 09:07 AM
I don't think the SST software is much better than the CH stuff when it comes down to it. I think the benefit of Saitek Sticks over CH ones is the number of buttons and with the Cyborg EVO, the size adjustment, but as a former owner of an X52 and Cyborg EVO, I wouldn't buy either of these again (or any Saitek product) after using a CH fighter stick and pedals. Saiteks build quality on anything other than the X45 is shockingly poor compared to the CH stuff. The Cyborg was good for 1 year but the spring weakened and the trigger snapped and the hand rest also broke.

Bearcat99
05-12-2006, 10:18 AM
Like when you want to kick one side of the pedals, the force you use makes your chair twist the opposite way.
Or not?
Is Raaaid still here? He will know.[/QUOTE]

My pedals are on a carpet so they dont move unless I really go nuts. My chair doesnt move either.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
The Saitek X52 works very well, but you don't really need it for IL2. I got mine for Falcon 4.0 Allied Force. At only $100, though, it's a bargain in the HOTAS world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree wth that one.... even though you can use a keyboard.. having a HOTAS IMO greatly enhances the virtual flying in any sim. You dont have to have it but in this sim, especially with all the functios that are programmable.... it helps.