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Aguila_Azteca
09-06-2006, 05:14 PM
First of all we have, "Drop your fuel tanks" comand, we do not have "drop your bombs" comand

The second diference is the usefullness of each one, first, drop your fuel command, even tough it is nice eyecandy it has very little point on having it, most will not fly around long enough to empty a fuel tank, and having the need to drop it... second when an enemy shows up the ai drops their fuel tanks imidietly, they dont wait for you to tell them to do so.... so the usefullness of it is no more than one of those details like the rolling pencil in the tb3 copit... one enjoys looking at it, but soon, it is no more than that....

Now the "drop your bombs" would be extremly usefull, it is historical that in bomber formation the leader would decide when to drop... thats the point of flying leader, who wants some green ai droping on his own... flying level bombers in the lead, in offline campings is worthless.. as you dont realy have any impact on the mission result. i would make many missions about level bombers... and i enjoy mosly bombers, more than fighters... but i fly fighters offline because level bombing is very lame...... i dont know if i make my self clear... it is very simple...

Whats more usefull Droping your fueltanks in formation... or droping Bombs in formation over the enemy... obiously the second option... the fact that some people finds "drop your fueltanks" more importand than "drop yours bombs" leaves me lost, realy..

I know oleg you told me that we would have that command in BoB... the thing is, that i am not able to afort a computer that run BoB (or will run).. besides it will take long time till BoB goes back again into my favorite Theater of operations (the pacific).. so i am gona be stuck with pacific fighters for 7 years till i can have the drop your bombs comand....

I certanly belive it shuld not be much of a work to get that comand, you dont need to model flight models, or much.... but onces again i dont know anything about coding.... but if we already got drop your fuel tanks command... how hard can it be???

onces again i know nothing about coding... if it is so hard for you, i opoligy... but if it will take a few minutes, or couple of hours of some one of your employees, please consider sir,... i love this sim,... but i am just not enjoying all i could because of this little problem with the level bombers...

One more thing i wopuld like in this sim before it is close..... is

When i play off line camping... i would like to be able to set time delay to my AI wingmen's bombs aswell... like sometimes i like to skip bomb, and my wingmen if they come too low they get blown up...

a modification giving the avility to the AI to use Bombs with time delay would enable people to recreat skip bombing atacks on ships, like in the pacific with the b25s and a20s, a very comon tacktic.. even the italians are known for skip bombing atacks in stukas... and over land.. the historican very low level bombings of mosquitos over europe.....

please consider my words.... but if you added the drop your bombs comand... that would make my day sir..

i know you told me wait for bob , but i just cant wait, cant help it sorry, thanks for your time

Aguila_Azteca
09-06-2006, 05:14 PM
First of all we have, "Drop your fuel tanks" comand, we do not have "drop your bombs" comand

The second diference is the usefullness of each one, first, drop your fuel command, even tough it is nice eyecandy it has very little point on having it, most will not fly around long enough to empty a fuel tank, and having the need to drop it... second when an enemy shows up the ai drops their fuel tanks imidietly, they dont wait for you to tell them to do so.... so the usefullness of it is no more than one of those details like the rolling pencil in the tb3 copit... one enjoys looking at it, but soon, it is no more than that....

Now the "drop your bombs" would be extremly usefull, it is historical that in bomber formation the leader would decide when to drop... thats the point of flying leader, who wants some green ai droping on his own... flying level bombers in the lead, in offline campings is worthless.. as you dont realy have any impact on the mission result. i would make many missions about level bombers... and i enjoy mosly bombers, more than fighters... but i fly fighters offline because level bombing is very lame...... i dont know if i make my self clear... it is very simple...

Whats more usefull Droping your fueltanks in formation... or droping Bombs in formation over the enemy... obiously the second option... the fact that some people finds "drop your fueltanks" more importand than "drop yours bombs" leaves me lost, realy..

I know oleg you told me that we would have that command in BoB... the thing is, that i am not able to afort a computer that run BoB (or will run).. besides it will take long time till BoB goes back again into my favorite Theater of operations (the pacific).. so i am gona be stuck with pacific fighters for 7 years till i can have the drop your bombs comand....

I certanly belive it shuld not be much of a work to get that comand, you dont need to model flight models, or much.... but onces again i dont know anything about coding.... but if we already got drop your fuel tanks command... how hard can it be???

onces again i know nothing about coding... if it is so hard for you, i opoligy... but if it will take a few minutes, or couple of hours of some one of your employees, please consider sir,... i love this sim,... but i am just not enjoying all i could because of this little problem with the level bombers...

One more thing i wopuld like in this sim before it is close..... is

When i play off line camping... i would like to be able to set time delay to my AI wingmen's bombs aswell... like sometimes i like to skip bomb, and my wingmen if they come too low they get blown up...

a modification giving the avility to the AI to use Bombs with time delay would enable people to recreat skip bombing atacks on ships, like in the pacific with the b25s and a20s, a very comon tacktic.. even the italians are known for skip bombing atacks in stukas... and over land.. the historican very low level bombings of mosquitos over europe.....

please consider my words.... but if you added the drop your bombs comand... that would make my day sir..

i know you told me wait for bob , but i just cant wait, cant help it sorry, thanks for your time

Tater-SW-
09-06-2006, 05:25 PM
Awesome idea. Of course It will probably get moved to general discussion for soe reason.

tater

Aviar
09-06-2006, 05:49 PM
Good post. In 5 years, I've never used the 'Drop Fuel Tanks' command. As you stated, the AI automatically drop them when they engage the enemy.

Aviar

JG54_Lukas
09-07-2006, 05:44 AM
Agreed. This is definitely something that is needed.

Not to mention, I will praise the day we have a truly separate bombardier position and don't have to rely on Level Stabilizer any more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
09-07-2006, 12:59 PM
yep deffo needed..

Col._King
09-08-2006, 02:22 PM
Well, this is a thing that IMHO is worth to be added...

Kuna_
09-08-2006, 04:34 PM
Good points here.

Also droping bombs is extremely usefull, for instance also due to enemy attack on bomber formation. They can flee faster. Historically used http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

I fly Ju-87 campaign now, and sometimes when I encounter fighters (I'm always leader of my schwarm) I'd like other Stukas to immediatelly drop their ordnance and turn back to base especially if our escort has left us. Forcing our way to target usually end up in total slaughter of bomber formation.

Second thing, it is a must option that you can order *specific* aircraft in formation to leave and fly to base at highest possible speed (due to fuel leak, wounded pilot dead gunner, damaged engine etc.). Currently you can specifically order wingman to do some stuff, but not to rtb. That option is reserved for a whole group.

Drop your fuel tanks is near total useless order. Good only when tank is empty, or fighters are damaged.

Aguila_Azteca
09-09-2006, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna_:
Good points here.

Also droping bombs is extremely usefull, for instance also due to enemy attack on bomber formation. They can flee faster. Historically used http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

I fly Ju-87 campaign now, and sometimes when I encounter fighters (I'm always leader of my schwarm) I'd like other Stukas to immediatelly drop their ordnance and turn back to base especially if our escort has left us. Forcing our way to target usually end up in total slaughter of bomber formation.

Second thing, it is a must option that you can order *specific* aircraft in formation to leave and fly to base at highest possible speed (due to fuel leak, wounded pilot dead gunner, damaged engine etc.). Currently you can specifically order wingman to do some stuff, but not to rtb. That option is reserved for a whole group.

Drop your fuel tanks is near total useless order. Good only when tank is empty, or fighters are damaged. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes i was thinking about that aswell, been able to tell specific planes to return to base would be as well a great addition

LEXX_Luthor
09-09-2006, 05:41 PM
*bump*

Good example of needed Air War simulation development -- commanding the following bombers in formation when to drop bombs. In the past, I just flew as wingperson and dropped bombs when they did. Saved me the hassle of using the bombsight, and the AI were pretty good level bombardiers, so I followed their lead.


Thanks.


Aztec:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">.. besides it will take long time till BoB goes back again into my favorite Theater of operations (the pacific).. so i am gona be stuck with pacific fighters for 7 years till i can have the drop your bombs comand.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mee Too. I love the PF, a semi-forgotten battle, but can't play it the way I want to -- tried to build my own Offline dynamic campaign -- for the lack of usable maps. But a detailed look at the maps shows the FB/PF engine is PERFECT for Pacific theater, if only the maps were made correctly. The carrier operations, although very limited, are very immersive and I enjoyed playing with that much. More dev time would have made PF the ultimate sim in this series. Alas I don't play it anymore since I can't go much farther without decent maps. Basically -- the FB/PF game engine is ~excellent~ for the Pacific, contrary to some opinions expressed here. I too hope Oleg goes back to the Pacific.

My faves are the coral islands and the dark volcanic islands -- don't know if the PF Volcanic islands are "exact" but they do seem just as hellish as Saburo/Caiden wrote about. Best, both types of islands offer very high framerates. Nice and simple but very pretty and they get the job done.

p1ngu666
09-10-2006, 12:47 PM
thinking about it, its how a formation had to bomb really, as if aimed manualy, they would all converge at the same point, at the same time!

Tater-SW-
09-10-2006, 03:22 PM
Alternately, such a command could be to "drop on (with) flight leader."

You'd send the command, and the planes would drop when you do any point afterwards.

tater

zbw_109
09-24-2006, 03:49 AM
Rolling pencil should be in BoB

zbw_109
09-24-2006, 03:49 AM
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BM357_Sniper
09-25-2006, 03:22 AM
Just a note, I have to tell my AI wingman to drop their tanks. Most the time they don't engage unless I tell them. I can't say I've had the enemy get so close that I got bounced by surprise. Maybe thats the difference.

edit: I don't mean that I don't get bounced, however it seems like I have to tell my AI to attack before they do anything.

IV_JG51_Razor
09-30-2006, 07:55 AM
Bump! Excellemt post Aguila. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Kuna_
09-30-2006, 08:20 AM
Furthermore, I would like to see option "call nearest tower" when you try to rtb. Or when you send friendly aircraft to rtb.

Sometimes aircraft can reach nearest airbase but not its home base.

When you fly on realistic settings that is extremely usefull.

Philipscdrw
09-30-2006, 10:15 AM
It's a good idea, but... according to Luthier, unfortunately there's no time to include it in FB. All the devs are busy getting 4.07 and BoB ready and don't have enough time to include this too.

It's unfortunate, but it means that whatever they're working on, is better than the 'drop bombs' command!